Southgate doesn’t get the credit he deserves

[UweBein]

Best manager with subs out there.
Not on him they lost this.

Blame Rashford,
blame Sancho,
blame Saka.

Fecking losers.

 

[Frasbul]

I don‘t get why he put on Saka instead of Rashford or Sancho. Why didn’t he bring on Grealish earlier.
Why didn‘t he sub Sterling? Sterling didn‘t even take a pen.
Why did Sancho and Rashford have to wait for the last possible moment and didn‘t even get 4 minutes? They were ready to come on. I honestly don‘t get it.

 

[rimaldo]

who has not worked with a shitc**t like southgate? turn up in a suit, say the right things, suck up to the right people, get promoted. he’ll get get a new contact. everything that happened tonight was predicted by millions of people.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

How can you not? Two players he clearly didn’t trust, being brought on with no time to even get a touch and get warmed up, having to take two pressure pens.

....

Who the feck requires touches on pitch to participate in a penalty shoot out?

 

[Trequarista10]

How can you not? Two players he clearly didn’t trust, being brought on with no time to even get a touch and get warmed up, having to take two pressure pens.

And then Saka giving all the evidence in the world that the occasion was too much for him, from the moment he came on, being given such a massive pen.

It was moronic, there is definitely blame to give to Gareth on those decisions. Such poor planning and logic.

You get warmed up before coming on... The alternative is a player whose legs are jelly after playing 120 minutes of football...

 

[VidaRed]

Rashford and sancho will be villified but they were forced into a penalty shootout of a fecking final without having touched the ball.

 

[MadDogg]

I disagree with a lot of what people are saying here, I think subs aside he got it right.

They were a different league in terms of technically and ball keeping ability in their midfield and defence. The way they moved the ball was far better than anything we could do. We had to play counter attacking football. We defended really well, with all of their possession and technical ability they created little and we were comfortable most of the game. This was our best chance to win.

For no other reason, his use (or lack of it) of Grealish was a disgrace. If you are being forced back and struggling to get a hold of the game, he's your best chance to fight against that. He can get on the ball, keep it and drive forward, or he will force the opposition to foul him so you can reset positions and get set pieces into the box. There's plenty of other things that you could argue could have been done differently as well, but it's not utilizing Grealish (not just in this game) which was incredibly inept.

 

[el3mel]

Just remember that England pretty much parked the bus after the first 10 minutes. They parked the bus for a whole 80 minutes.

With all these attacking talent on the bench. Southgate brought Grealish and Sancho with him just to keep them as bench options the whole tournament.

It's honestly inexcusable. If I were English I would want him sacked immediately.

 

[GMoore23]

How can your tactic be to defend a one goal lead for 88 minutes. Ridiculous.

Nothing I’ve seen in this tournament has made me change my opinion that he is wasting one of the best squads in world football, and they get where they are despite him, not because of him.

Special mention to sending an 18 year old out to take the final penalty because oh my god.

This, could mentally feck the kid for a while. Says a lot about the more senior players as well, cowards

 

[Maluco]

You get warmed up before coming on... The alternative is a player whose legs are jelly after playing 120 minutes of football...

Most of the players who had that scored their penalties! It’s a massive ask to come in cold and hit a pen like that. No adrenaline, no focus, nothing. Three woeful choices.

 

[TsuWave]

Absolute wasteman. Revolting tactics

 

[Handré1990]

Would have been a great idea... if we did any counter attacking at all.

Instead he turned us into Burnley in front of all of Europe. He can feck off.

Bingo. You were in the lead at the hour mark, but were losing ground and Italy pushed more and more upfield. How about, you know, bring on some attackers who thrive on the counter? I feel for you guys, you were soundly beaten by your own manager.

 

[marktan]

The defensive set up is the right call, as was the use of 5 at the back. The problem is he goes too defensive, you can't be leaving Grealish on the bench for Mount, especially in a 5 at the back when you don't need Mount's superior work rate.

Should've made subs around the 70th minute but waited too long.

 

[Wilt]

Absolutely no blame on the players…. this is all on Southgate.

But why are we so bad at pens?

 

[Pexbo]

We’re going to have to endure the same shit on a stick defensive football with a £bn attacking bench next summer aren’t we?

 

[MU655]

You get warmed up before coming on... The alternative is a player whose legs are jelly after playing 120 minutes of football...

Players always come on for a kick about before penalties. Running is fine but it doesn't get you into the game.

 

[Hammondo]

For no other reason, his use (or lack of it) of Grealish was a disgrace. If you are being forced back and struggling to get a hold of the game, he's your best chance to fight against that. He can get on the ball, keep it and drive forward, or he will force the opposition to foul him so you can reset positions and get set pieces into the box. There's plenty of other things that you could argue could have been done differently as well, but it's not utilizing Grealish (not just in this game) which was incredibly inept.

Yea I would have picked him as well, but it wouldn't have changed our approach much.

 

[Rado_N]

We’re going to have to endure the same shit on a stick defensive football with a £bn attacking bench next summer aren’t we?

Thankfully not.










It’s in the winter.

 

[Kazi]

Fraud

 

[Jim Beam]

I don't think he is clueless. He has his qualities, but damn that tactic after going 1-0 up with all the attacking talent he has.

And then to put such pressure on Sancho who was on the bench for pretty much whole tournament and a 19 year old kid.

He bottled it, not the players.

 

[Someone]

Reaching the final is an achievement, and he'll obviously be managing England in the next WC, but he's too cautious to really get the best out of this generation. What a waste.

 

[Highfather_24]

Isn't this the problem we had in the past, managers trying to squeeze every big name player into a team and system that simply did not get the best out of them.

Playing an "unbalanced team with all the stars" and Southgate's boreball, are not the only two options like people pretend here.

Southgate is a coward. A joke. That's why even though I love United, I cant support England(along with the annoying "its coming home" shit).

Football won today.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Good tournament from him, he set us up well and the first half was great today. Maybe didn’t make the changes soon enough and got it all wrong in the second half onwards. Disappointing. Absolutely gutted, still back him of course, so proud of the boys.

 

[DixieDean]

Would have been a great idea... if we did any counter attacking at all.

Instead he turned us into Burnley in front of all of Europe. He can feck off.

Spot on. I said we played like a small nation.

 

[Trequarista10]

Most of the players who had that scored their penalties! It’s a massive ask to come in cold and hit a pen like that. No adrenaline, no focus, nothing. Three woeful choices.

You maybe right, but it's uncertain IMO.

My point is Southgate lost it in regulation time, and I think it's fairer to judge his failing on the 120 minutes of football rather than pens.

 

[Harry190]

This is a good excuse to get rid of him. Too bad what happened with Big Sam. Was a far superior choice.

 

[duffer]

Rashford and sancho will be villified but they were forced into a penalty shootout of a fecking final without having touched the ball.

They won't be.

 

[Giggsy13]

You miserable pricks got exactly what you deserved.

 

[DixieDean]

Good tournament from him, he set us up well and the first half was great today. Maybe didn’t make the changes soon enough and got it all wrong in the second half onwards. Disappointing. Absolutely gutted, still back him of course, so proud of the boys.

I thought the players did well, I wouldn't blame them, at all. Just a shame they have a shit coach.

 

[Pexbo]

Thankfully not.










It’s in the winter.

Don’t build my hopes up like that. I thought there might be a resignation tweet at the bottom of that

 

[2mufc0]

Not on sending that kid for the last pen.

 

[Cloud7]

This, could mentally feck the kid for a while. Says a lot about the more senior players as well, cowards

After diving to try to win penalties for the entire tournament it was an embarrassment for Sterling to not take one.

 

[Spoony]

Needs to go. This team will hit next two touros. His defensive mindset and lack of ability to make changes when needed has cost England massively.

 

[Maluco]

You maybe right, but it's uncertain IMO.

My point is Southgate lost it in regulation time, and I think it's fairer to judge his failing on the 120 minutes of football rather than pens.

Yeah, I get coming at it from that angle. He should never have been on that position in the first place!

I just thought it was shocking what he did from them. Poor Saka had no chance by the end.

 

[DixieDean]

ANd why was rice taken off? He was having a good game.

 

[Judas]

We deserve a bit more intent attacking wise with talent that great, Southgate probably isn't going to ever deliver that though.

 

[Spoony]

Would have been a great idea... if we did any counter attacking at all.

Instead he turned us into Burnley in front of all of Europe. He can feck off.

Sancho for Mount made so much sense even in the first half.

 

[DixieDean]

Give Potter the job.

 

[dove]

Send 2 players to take pens who have not even touched the ball and then a 19 year old for the last pen as a cherry on the cake. How stupid you have to be to make a decision like that?

 

[Ronaldo's ego]

Should be sacked but he’ll be knighted instead. If the FA has the bollocks to pursue a proper manager we can compete at the top level over the next decade.