Toby completely out at sea yesterday. One of Spurs worst players Vs Barcelona
Spurs officially departed tonight
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Yeah not at his best, thought Son was flat as well and the only time Winks did anything in the first half was to give the ball away it seemed. In fairness I thought Winks had a decent 2nd half though. Oh and Lloris, still drunk? Hungover?
is the bolded part even a serious question?That's not disrespectful. That's a fact and more than half the caf would agree with you that if Jose remains in charge we aren't getting top 4.
I forgot Son was even playing last night
Did Spurs copy Chelsea tactic of making ground look like potato field when they play Barca?
Barca was clearly a class above Spurs tonight. Their third goal sums it up perfectly. The complete team awareness and chemistry for that goal is superb.
Oh for sure, plenty of players. I just focused on Toby because of how many posters wanted us to sign him
If we judged every defender on how Barca and specifically Messi ran rings round them there wouldn't be a defender in the history or future of football worth buying then...
I'm sure usually he is a decent defender
He won't be sacked. They will never find a better manager than him. He fecked it up with his contract renewal in summer instead of waiting a little bit.
What is wrong with Lloris, seriously? How can such an experienced keeper make such bad mistakes? I think something's going on in his personal life (DUI, etc) and that affects his decision making on a pitch.
Didn’t watch the game, but imo there’s no shame in losing to Barca when you’re missing four key players. I dread to think of us vs Messi & co without Van Dijk, Milner, Wijnaldum and Mane.
Surprisingly didn't mention Salah or Firmino? Why?
Well, losing Firmino would be a blow, too. Salah not so much based on his form this season.
Spurs are quite good and can play with the intricacy of snowflakes but when they come up against average to good teams and above they just melt like a bunch of snowflakes.
What a weird yardstick to measure a defender. Would still love us ot sign him.
Was really proud of our effort last night, we got destroyed in the first half but we showed real fight in the second half.
At least they attempted to play football they just lacked a bit of quality in the end.
If you have to spend £70 million on a CB those are the nights you want him to look solid.
He looked solid against us, but that was his only good match this season and our attack is hardly the barometer for CBs who cost mega money, else we discovered about 10x £70 million CBs so far this season who have coped pretty well with us.
Yeah a really weird yardstick for a £70 million CB, big matches. As long as he does okay against Huddersfield he's worth the money right?
I thought Spurs would still qualify but actually 9 points from PSV home & away and Inter at home may not be enough. Suspect they'll need at least a point from Barca away or hope the head to head with Inter goes in their favour
I don't understand why they kept sitting off Messi and leaving him in acres of space. It's fairly obvious everything goes through him.
- 1st goal - Alli (i think?) closed him down but then backed off to allow him all the time he wanted to pick his pass.
- 2nd goal - Moura let him run away from him without checking he was being picked up.
- 3rd goal - Wanyama looked like he just gave up on that run.
- 4th goal - criminal to let any player appear in that much space, let alone Messi.
One or two i get, he's that good he will always find space, but some of the defending was comical.
- 1st goal - Alli (i think?) closed him down but then backed off to allow him all the time he wanted to pick his pass.
- 2nd goal - Moura let him run away from him without checking he was being picked up.
- 3rd goal - Wanyama looked like he just gave up on that run.
- 4th goal - criminal to let any player appear in that much space, let alone Messi.
One or two i get, he's that good he will always find space, but some of the defending was comical.
yeah you would have thought after 627 goals and 257 assists in 775 games somebody would have figured it out by now...
certainly not ali on the 1st goal though - he wasnt playing last night
It’s odd how we all see things differently.
Kane scored a half decent goal but his contribution to the wider game is no where near the standard he set in previous years. For me he seems to running in treacle he isn’t putting defenders in possession under any real pressure.
Both Winks and Wanyama are way off the standard and the fact is they are playing shows the lack of depth in Spurs squad.
Lloris looks almost a broken man. His walkabout for the first goal was commical.
Tripper is at the top of his game whereas Davies is not up to the standard.
The two central defenders were chasing shadows and yes Sanchez has a bit of pace but without Vertonghen he was remarkably easy to play around.
I will agree with you that Lucas seems a decent player but Son offered up little. Lamela tried hard but his effort was never going to bridge the difference in quality.
Barca played ok but they aren’t the team they were five years ago. Even then they had far too much for Spurs the score line could and should have been far wider.
Why oh why did Spurs go gung-ho from the first minute? If that was their game plan then someone really hasn’t been paying attention.
Missing Ali may have been an issue but it’s missing Erickson that really hurts Spurs without him the midfield is below average among the top 6 and as was witnessed last night it is a very easy line to pass through or around.
There's no shame in losing to Barcelona. They should be more disappointed by the result in Milan.
He didn't play last night
At least for us we cant really miss 4 best players as we dont have any. As it stands atm Mou would probably try the 6 defender approach vs Barca and still end up losing 3 nil.
I think it's the case like playing against Man City, can you really defend against an attack of Messi, Suarez, Coutinho with the FB's pushed up to provide width by conceding possession, crowding your box and playing deep for 90mins? Or do you go out and try and make a game of it? You might sit deep and lose 1-0, 2-0 or you could make a game of it and lose 4-2. Making a game of it certainly makes it a better spectacle also for the viewer.
For missing a bunch of key players, Alli, Vertonghen, Dembele, Eriksen Spurs I thought made a fist of it in the second half. Were not at the races in the first and some calamitous goal keeping from the drunkard Lloris gifted Barca a goal. As if Barcelona need a free goal head start.
To go out of your way to point out that people wanted to sign him after a bad performance against Messi & co is a bit rich. Even if we forget that to Spurs were without key players, including Toby's preferred CB partner, and most of them struggled... it just smacks of being a knee jerk reaction.
Now, if he sustained that level of lower performance (as our CBs annoyingly endeavor to do) you would have a point but generally he is excellent.
It does considering he was part of the team that beat RM last season.
I wouldnt have minded Alderweireld, not 70mil minded granted. But a technical ball playing CB is what Mou seemed to want in the team. I feel we could have got him with a swap for Martial and some cash coming our way as Mou didnt seem to have Martial in his plans moving forward.
And against Messi and co yeah, feel free to find a backline Barca hasnt embarrassed at some point. Didnt help that Lloris still seemed drunk behind the CB's, didnt Alderweireld bail Lloris out after mistake number 2 or 3? Sanchez was a bit at sea as well, but he is only young, these kind of games will be excellent experience for a young CB.
Again, if we buy a CB for £70 million those are the nights he would need to do well. It doesnt cost that much to improve on Lindelof against midtable teams
It didnt take much to point out that Toby was poor. Just looked on the football forum and typed a few letters.
A knee jerk reaction is something that happens suddenly. That would be you thinking he's a good signing for £70 million and deciding he isnt based on 1 game. Not me always saying its way too much money and he isn't an amazing defender and then saying the same again after a poor match.
And again, he had a good game against us but other than that Toby has been distinctly average this season. Just like last season.
Bizarre way of looking at it.
Hes made world class individuals and entire teams look like mugs.
Are you talking about Maradona or Toby? Because one of those is ridiculous.
Last season was a weird one because he was injured and out for a long time and then everyone thought he was angling for a move, which annoyed Poch and meant he was dropped.
This season I think he's been decent - last night I think he was average (their whole team was) but again Tottenham aren't at the level of Barcelona so they were going to be under constant pressure. Having said that, the first goal is very avoidable (Lloris at fault), the second is a worldly volley, third isn't his man (he's actually marking Suarez well) and fourth is avoidable (Wanyama? I think at fault) and on the opposite side of the pitch to him.
Can you imagine Barcelona playing us with our defence? we would get the hiding of all hidings.
Missing 4 players and with their GK completely mad, they were chasing the result from the start. They pressed well but like some people already said, silly and avoidable defensive mistakes.
When Tottenham pressed you could see that the Barcelona players were a bit uncomfortable, they (Barcelona) won't go far this season as well imo
It was crazy to play him against Barcelona of all teams straightaway after being out for so long.
He hasn't been himself since his injury last season. It sounded biased when Spurs fans were saying that part of the reason he wasn't playing last season was genuinely his performances (and not just the contract situation) but it was true. He put in some terrible performances last season, including against lower league opposition, after his injury.
Bit better so far this season though.
Not completely surprised with the performance or result. Missing Vertonghen, Dembele, Alli and Eriksen was always going to make it difficult. Was more surprised at the fight we showed to come back as much as we did.
Doubt we'll get out of the group now to be honest. It isn't impossible but we'll need to pick up 6 points from PSV in a pretty brutal run of games over the next few weeks. Can't see it.