Well, we’ve got a fundamentally broken society with little to no access to mental healthcare and we’ve armed it to the teeth.
The bad (typically gun related) things happening in America thread
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Ah, we need Agent 47 to pull something out of his bag of tricks.
Just took my mom for treatment down the road from there yesterday. I guess I feel…lucky? Eerie feeling.
And whatever mental healthcare treatment there is largely consists of being given psychotropic drugs - 1 in 6 American adults now take these, along with staggering numbers of children and adolescents. On top of this are the vast amounts of non-prescribed drugs being consumed, plus alcohol as a socially acceptable, non-prescribed drug.
400 million guns + a cocktail of drugs is an equation with predictable outcomes
Obviously, doctors should be armed too!
Please don’t stigmatize seeking treatment via medicine for mental healthcare. People that do so are part of the problem here, not the solution.
It's a sick way to think, I admit, but each one of these shootings makes me thing "surely this one is the one where everyone will have had enough?"
On the contrary, maybe the gun freaks think the same -- that eventually they'll just get desensitized.
On the contrary, maybe the gun freaks think the same -- that eventually they'll just get desensitized.
Somebody explain to me why no guns were allowed at the NRA convention thing?
It’s the same reason why anti-abortion GOP congressmen have their mistresses get abortion.
No, they think that exact same thought, it just leads to a completely opposite answer.
The NRA and pro NRA senators wanys this mass shootings to happen. Is when the sales spikes the most. Also. They are winning amas tge currebt rethoric is that more people armed needs to be in the schools
There is massive over-prescription of psychotropic drugs - partly due the misplaced application of the medical model to mental healthcare and partly due to the over-weaning and corrupting influence of the pharmaceutical industry on psychiatrists and GPs, especially in the mostly privatised medical system in USA.
Such drugs can have a variety of side-effects, including negative effects on a person's state of mind.
These are facts - none of them the fault of those being prescribed these drugs.
Oh hear we go again…
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Oklahoma hospital shooting: Four killed and multiple injured
Four people have been killed in a shooting spree at a hospital in Tulsa, Oklahoma, police say.
Officers confirmed that the suspected shooter, who was armed with a rifle and a handgun, was also dead.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61669873
Schools, hospitals…nowhere is really safe over there is it?
Four people have been killed in a shooting spree at a hospital in Tulsa, Oklahoma, police say.
Officers confirmed that the suspected shooter, who was armed with a rifle and a handgun, was also dead.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61669873
Schools, hospitals…nowhere is really safe over there is it?
NRA conventions are safe because they banned guns!
Roll your eyes all you want, it doesn't change the facts. But perhaps you actually believe that 1 in 6 American adults taking prescribed psychotropic drugs should be recast as "normality".Oh hear we go again…
What is a mental health issue if not a chemical imbalance?
How do you propose people redress those chemical imbalances? Fairy dust?
As someone who’s had significant mental health issues to the point of planning suicide, I probably would be dead if it wasn’t for psychotropic drug and the subsequent therapy & coping strategies.
But sure, keep on peddling your proverbial snake oil.
I don't think Glaston is saying that drugs aren't going to help anyone. I think he's saying that there's a trend in the US of prescribing those drugs to many more than need it. That shouldn't be a very controversial statement, from what I've read.
The "chemical-imbalance in the brain" theory was debunked long ago.
* “.... people believe that depression is caused by a ‘chemical imbalance’ in the brain, which is not true" - Kirsten Shukla (Consultant Child & Adolescent Psychiatrist), Oxford Health NHS Foundation Trust
* “There is no physiological marker of depression (or any other MH disorder)...To put it bluntly, there is no decisive evidence that low mood is caused by low serotonin levels, nor of what SSRIs actually do to serotonin levels in the brains of patients.” Professor Matthew Cobb, author of The Idea of the Brain
* “We have hunted for big simple neurochemical explanations for psychiatric disorders and not found them” - Kenneth Kendler, then co-editor in chief of Psychological Medicine
Drugs in the form of tranquilisers (and many psychotropic drugs are in fact tranquilisers, major or minor) can help with short-term relief of symptoms for those in acute distress. Aside from this use, I'm saying that:
* The well-known placebo effect accounts for much of any positive effect.
* The chemical-imbalance-in-the-brain-theory has long been thoroughly debunked.
* Many of the drugs trials involving psychotropics have been deeply flawed in a variety of ways - for example being approved on the basis of of minimal “statistical significance” (compared to placebo, for example), when this has little to do with real-world effectiveness.
* Given the many - and often severe - side-effects associated with psychotropic drugs, they should be given as a last resort (except in emergency situations) rather than - as usually now - as a first resort. (The reasons for this first resort are several and too complex to go into here.)
Regarding this last point, Robert Whitaker (author of Anatomy of an Epidemic) expressed it well:
“Let's say you have a drug that provides a relief of symptoms in 20% of people. In placebo it's 10%. How many people in that study do not benefit from the drug? Nine out of 10. How many people are exposed to the adverse effects of the drug? 100%”
I am not talking from a position of ignorance - I'm professionally involved in the field of mental illness, mental healthcare, and wellbeing.
Not strong on the maths though.
Shooting may have been over pain medication for a recent, potentially botched back surgery at the hospital.
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Hmm...this reminds me of something but I can't quite put my finger on it.
Oh yes, Nazis, that's it. This is reminisecnt of Nazis.
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Took one of those into my ankle. Ain’t no picnic.
Fecking perverts!
Was that guy not aware that he could sue the hospital upon a botched surgery? Or did he lost his mind completely? Even here up north, our hospitals dread any lawsuit on grounds of medical malpractice.
Anyway, that was still too easy for him to get a gun again.
Don’t think anyone knows right now.
As someone who has a terrible back, I can relate how it can derail one’s entire life. But this seems like a break with reality.
I was either 10 or 11. The first aid station at the beach used warm water / vinegar. The ER gave me a shot of something (lidocaine? xylocaine?) about two hours after the sting. My ankle progressed from feeling like I was holding my foot in an open fire to moderately irritating by the time I got to the hospital.Yeah, can imagine.
How long before the pain is gone? Did you pee on the wound?
I’ve always shuffled my feet ever since.
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Clearly we need fewer doors and more armed guards at the (checks notes) cemeteries.
It’s the only way.
Shooter was in the clinic earlier in the day complaining about his back pain. Apparently he was sent away without resolution. He then went to buy the AR.
It was easier for him to get a gun than it was to get proper healthcare.