They'll start talking about chimps next. Rogan is trolling.
On other news Kavanagh is on JRE right now alongside some bro science nutrition fraud.
30 mins in after the biggest fight in the history of UFC he has completely ignored McGregors fecking coach and has rambled on about red meat.
He actually turned away from Kavanagh to continue the conversation at one point!
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Neither are big draws per say. I’d imagine 800k to 1m would be the outer limits of what such a fight would draw. Compare that to 1.6m for Conor-Nate2 and you can see what a massive difference maker Conor is. His cards benefit everyone, especially the lesser known fighters on his cards.Like I said, that was all dependent on Conor being top dog, which he clearly isn't now. Personally I bet his PPV pull for the future will be much lower than it was in the past. I think Khabib-Ferguson will outdraw whoever Conor fights next.
A lot of casual fans like myself have no more interest in paying for Conor fights either at home or at sport bars. Khabib-Ferguson is what more fans want.
Yeah but losing to Diaz was different.He just fought in the biggest fight of all time after losing to Floyd. He had one of the biggest fights if all time v Nate after comprehensively losing the first.
Just seems like wishful thinking to me
Jesus Christ. He's on it for about 3 minutes and now it's some dude wittering on about weight cutting. Didn't think it was possible to talk about something for so long without pausing for breath.
John Kavanagh live on JRE now
But the casuals wouldn't know that. They saw him get destroyed in the middle of the octagon by a fighter who only trained for a week.Yeah but losing to Diaz was different.
He said the last minute change of opponent, the higher weight class and all that jazz is why he lost.
In this case, there can be no excuses. He got mauled by a far superior fighter.
Just clicked the link and was able to handle only 20 seconds of that dude bro.Jesus Christ. He's on it for about 3 minutes and now it's some dude wittering on about weight cutting. Didn't think it was possible to talk about something for so long without pausing for breath.
People that condemn both are totally correct but I find extremely strange when people try to defend Conor because what he does has become regular. He poked a bear and while said bear should have walked away into the woods, it was visible that from the beginning he wanted to smash Conor and his gang into pulps, not for marketing but for misplaced honor. The UFC created that situation, they used an assault as marketing material, Khabib was involved in that assault and they never considered/cared that maybe it wasn't a good idea to glorify one side, I bet that they created a lot of resentment.
If the UFC ban Khabib, then they have to ban Conor for his actions in April.
Maybe your right but to me, McGregor still looked competitive in that match whereas against Khabib, it was like a PE teacher giving his student a beating for being disrespectful.But the casuals wouldn't know that. They saw him get destroyed in the middle of the octagon by a fighter who only trained for a week.
The fallout was exactly the same as this, he was exposed. Panic wrestling on the ground after losing the stand up. He's a weight bully etc etc.
They went in hard on Conor and we were told the rematch wouldn't draw because Conor lost his aura.
George Lockhart is painful, pure bro scienceJesus Christ. He's on it for about 3 minutes and now it's some dude wittering on about weight cutting. Didn't think it was possible to talk about something for so long without pausing for breath.
I don't think Ferg is the stylistic nightmare for Khabib a lot of people do. I think the real threats to Khabib are Lee and Gaethje. I could be wrong, but Ferg to me, is just all spaz and energy, and he's been dominated by wrestlers before. He beat Lee, but Lee was DOMINATING him, and gassed, while fighting with a bad staph infection.If anyone is going to beat Khabib it's Ferguson. It's a cursed fight though so I ain't gonna hold my breath. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Khabib gets a 6-12 month ban and we see Tony v McGregor instead.
Conor could fight me next and he'd draw twice as much as Khabib v Tony.
I don't think so, McGregor has had more PPV's than Khabib and Ferguson combined... One thing McGregor is undisputed best in the business at.
I don't believe Conor will ever draw again as high as he did at his peak. I believe he is clearly on his way down and people will slowly stop caring about him now. I believe his draw power will be lower for his next fight and start sinking after that. No fighter can maintain ppv pull power after they start losing.Neither are big draws per say. I’d imagine 800k to 1m would be the outer limits of what such a fight would draw. Compare that to 1.6m for Conor-Nate2 and you can see what a massive difference maker Conor is. His cards benefit everyone, especially the lesser known fighters on his cards.
Joe can't function without some sort of mind/body altering substance. It's "sober" october, but on every podcast I've seen so far, he's been rocking the fattest dips ever. Can't drink/smoke weed? Lemme just pump myself full of nicotine! Oh and test, ALL THE test!I love how Joe takes nutrition so seriously that he rarely admits to how many "supplements" he takes that colours his results.
Oh elk meat is the best, I was on my third steroid cycle in 8 months last year and it really gave me energy..
Yep, I actually thought that he was winning the Diaz fight until that mistake happened. Against Khabib, it wasn't even fair. He clearly lost the first round, barely survived the second round, slightly won the third one and tapped in the fourth one. Total domination from Khabib, and really, it is hard to see a rematch being much different.Maybe your right but to me, McGregor still looked competitive in that match whereas against Khabib, it was like a PE teacher giving his student a beating for being disrespectful.
Plus many people saw that crazy bastard Ferguson and I think that might get appetites rising for that.
I urge people to go check out Luke Thomas break down the fight on the MMA Hour. Great breakdown.Yep, I actually thought that he was winning the Diaz fight until that mistake happened. Against Khabib, it wasn't even fair. He clearly lost the first round, barely survived the second round, slightly won the third one and tapped in the fourth one. Total domination from Khabib, and really, it is hard to see a rematch being much different.
He's still at his peak now - the only difference between this and previous fights is he just fought one of the greatest grapplers ever. Not a big deal given how good Khabib is. Some estimates have Saturday's card as getting somewhere between 2.5 to 3m PPV buys, which if true would smash the previous record of 1.6m for Conor/Nate 2. That's not a sign of someone who is losing his box office draw, but someone who is getting increasingly popular. Even the last time he lost in the UFC (Conor/Nate 1) resulted in him drawing 300k more PPV buys for the rematch. That's something White and the UFC will be well aware of as they plot a potential rematch.I don't believe Conor will ever draw again as high as he did at his peak. I believe he is clearly on his way down and people will slowly stop caring about him now. I believe his draw power will be lower for his next fight and start sinking after that. No fighter can maintain ppv pull power after they start losing.
Personally my prediction for headlines would be Ferguson-Khabib around 1.2 million and for a MCgregor-Lee/Poirer it would be around 900k-1.1M
Maybe I'm wrong and y'all can laugh at me but I just don't see Conor having the draw power in 2019 that he did in 2016
That he's past his peak physically was evident from Saturday. Just from looking at social media, his star power is definitely waning after that. He still probably has one or two fights where he would be a decent draw but he is done setting records IMO. People thought he would be much better on Saturday than he was. He looked past it. He's lost 3 of his last 5 fights in three years. That's not the record of someone who will keep pulling in the top numbers.He's still at his peak now - the only difference between this and previous fights is he just fought one of the greatest grapplers ever. Not a big deal given how good Khabib is. Some estimates have Saturday's card as getting somewhere between 2.5 to 3m PPV buys, which if true would smash the previous record of 1.6m for Conor/Nate 2. That's not a sign of someone who is losing his box office draw, but someone who is getting increasingly popular. Even the last time he lost in the UFC (Conor/Nate 1) resulted in him drawing 300k more PPV buys for the rematch. That's something White and the UFC will be well aware of as they plot a potential rematch.
Those people who thought he would be much better were deliberately downplaying Khabib's skills because they preferred Conor to win. Everyone knew that the fight could go one of two ways - an early Conor KO or a later round Khabib win by way of mauling. We got the 2nd option. That has no bearing on Conor's draw which is going to smash his previous record. As we saw last time with Nate, there is going to be a strong fan sentiment towards a rematch (perhaps in this case after Khabib fights Tony). Conor is the UFC biggest draw by a country mile and it isn't even close.That he's past his peak physically was evident from Saturday. Just from looking at social media, his star power is definitely waning after that. He still probably has one or two fights where he would be a decent draw but he is done setting records IMO. People thought he would be much better on Saturday than he was. He looked past it. He's lost 3 of his last 5 fights in three years. That's not the record of someone who will keep pulling in the top numbers.
Past his best physically or just off his best physically? He's been on a two year break where, let's face it, he wasn't exactly living the monastic life. That doesn't mean he can't get it back though if he's actually determined enough.That he's past his peak physically was evident from Saturday. Just from looking at social media, his star power is definitely waning after that. He still probably has one or two fights where he would be a decent draw but he is done setting records IMO. People thought he would be much better on Saturday than he was. He looked past it. He's lost 3 of his last 5 fights in three years. That's not the record of someone who will keep pulling in the top numbers.
Yeah just listened to the rest of it (he takes over from broscience about an hour in for anyone interested). Some really interesting stuff about the Khabib and Mayweather fights, training and what the plans are for the future. Looking forward to that Malignagi footage on the Netflix doc. Was pissing myself about Floyd in a hybrid leg kick fight scenario.George Lockhart is painful, pure bro science
Kavanagh back on now
Anyone who knows anything about MMA knows a 30 year old fighter is just entering his prime. People are simply confused because Khabib outclassed him and was the better man on the night. Had Conor connected cleanly in the first round the narrative would be how Khabib had a weak chin etc.Past his best physically or just off his best physically? He's been on a two year break where, let's face it, he wasn't exactly living the monastic life. That doesn't mean he can't get it back though if he's actually determined enough.
Interesting listening to Kavanagh there, he said that although that's what everyone was expecting that's not how they were prepping the fight. They were okay with losing the early rounds and focusing on conserving energy as much as possible on the ground in the hope that they'd then take advantage when Khabib dipped. Which kinda played out in that they did win the third round but nowhere near to the degree they were hoping.Those people who thought he would be much better were deliberately downplaying Khabib's skills because they preferred Conor to win. Everyone knew that the fight could go one of two ways - an early Conor KO or a later round Khabib win by way of mauling. We got the 2nd option. That has no bearing on Conor's draw which is going to smash his previous record. As we saw last time with Nate, there is going to be a strong fan sentiment towards a rematch (perhaps in this case after Khabib fights Tony). Conor is the UFC biggest draw by a country mile and it isn't even close.
The big flaw in that strategy (imo) is that Conor's own cardio has never been particularly good, so expecting Khabib (whose cardio HAS been good in the past) to gas in the later rounds before Conor would, wasn't a good bet imo.Interesting listening to Kavanagh there, he said that although that's what everyone was expecting that's not how they were prepping the fight. They were okay with losing the early rounds and focusing on conserving energy as much as possible on the ground in the hope that they'd then take advantage when Khabib dipped. Which kinda played out in that they did win the third round but nowhere near to the degree they were hoping.
Yeah just listened to the rest of it (he takes over from broscience about an hour in for anyone interested). Some really interesting stuff about the Khabib and Mayweather fights, training and what the plans are for the future. Looking forward to that Malignagi footage on the Netflix doc. Was pissing myself about Floyd in a hybrid leg kick fight scenario.
Kavanagh always comes across really well. Top bloke.
If that was the plan then McGregor needs to fire his entire backroom teamInteresting listening to Kavanagh there, he said that although that's what everyone was expecting that's not how they were prepping the fight. They were okay with losing the early rounds and focusing on conserving energy as much as possible on the ground in the hope that they'd then take advantage when Khabib dipped. Which kinda played out in that they did win the third round but nowhere near to the degree they were hoping.
Except that's the exact opposite of what we are actually seeing. No one is calling for a rematch on social media. No one is talking about Conor vs. Khabib this time. That's why this is different. There is zero sentiment towards a rematch among the MMA fanbase that I have seen which is drastically different than after Diaz in 2016. Everyone I have seen wants Ferguson-Khabib. Literally no one wants McGregor rematch.Those people who thought he would be much better were deliberately downplaying Khabib's skills because they preferred Conor to win. Everyone knew that the fight could go one of two ways - an early Conor KO or a later round Khabib win by way of mauling. We got the 2nd option. That has no bearing on Conor's draw which is going to smash his previous record. As we saw last time with Nate, there is going to be a strong fan sentiment towards a rematch (perhaps in this case after Khabib fights Tony).
The bolded is what I mean. What I mean is I don't see the determination or focus in Conor to maintain that athletic peak condition for a decade like GSP, Silva, Couture, etc. I don't think Conor has that long term peak in him. Champions that have true long term dedication are the types to defend their titles multiple times. Conor just seems to lack that level of determination. Plus he already has 25 fights which isn't a small number. I can see him going on a losing streak like Liddell in 2007 (Liddell was 37 but had 25 fights at that point as well and I think Liddell was more dedicated).Past his best physically or just off his best physically? He's been on a two year break where, let's face it, he wasn't exactly living the monastic life. That doesn't mean he can't get it back though if he's actually determined enough.
I was impressed with Khabib's speed - both in how fast he shot on Conor as well as his punching speed. Far faster than i remember it in his past few fights.Really good break down on the technical aspects of the fight on sportsvice. I love stuff like this
https://sports.vice.com/amp/en_us/a...shed-conor-mcgregor?__twitter_impression=true
That won't matter as its not the fans and pundits who decide these things. The power brokers here are the UFC, who desperately need money, and Conor - whose promotional skills are are better than most other fighters combined. That's not to say it would happen immediately, but if Conor wants it and the UFC are willing to pay Khabib what he wants then it will happen very soon.Except that's the exact opposite of what we are actually seeing. No one is calling for a rematch on social media. No one is talking about Conor vs. Khabib this year. That's why this is different. There is zero sentiment towards a rematch among the MMA fanbase that I have seen which is drastically different than after Diaz in 2016. Everyone I have seen wants Ferguson-Khabib. Literally no one wants McGregor rematch.
Conor's fans always defend his xenophobic tendencies.He calls him a backwards cnut in relation to his religion and nationality a few times. Definitely some xenophobic undertones to it.
I can kind of see where he was coming from. Basically "look he's going to get the takedown, just don't exhaust yourself trying to get back up.. He'll get sloppier and slower like he did against Iaquinta and you can take him out on the feet in the later rounds."If that was the plan then McGregor needs to fire his entire backroom team![]()
Yeah same. Usually Mcgregors trash talk makes his opponents sloppy and unfocused (Also, Alvarez). Seemed to have the opposite effect here.I was impressed with Khabib's speed - both in how fast he shot on Conor as well as his punching speed. Far faster than i remember it in his past few fights.
I thought that the fight against Barboza showed that Khabib was an improved striker.I was impressed with Khabib's speed - both in how fast he shot on Conor as well as his punching speed. Far faster than i remember it in his past few fights.
Yeah same. Usually Mcgregors trash talk makes his opponents sloppy and unfocused (Also, Alvarez). Seemed to have the opposite effect here.
I dunno. If this had been peak McGregor could he have done damage in that third round? Khabib was definitely there to be hit.If that was the plan then McGregor needs to fire his entire backroom team![]()