Floyd comes across as a complete cock in the post fight interview. And the ref was incompetent...he should shoulder a large portion of the blame.
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
To be fair, that was a disgraceful fight. Ortiz and Mayweather out of order in my opinion.
I'm glad I didn't stay up for that. Cortez takes a lot of the blame for that, he is well past his best.
I echo your sentiments, happy not to stay up for that. I was quite enjoying the fight until the KO point, but well everyone's to blame.
Poor form from Mayweather.
And Ortiz shouldn't have headbutted him
Was starting to look like quite a good fight before that as well.
And Ortiz shouldn't have headbutted him
Was starting to look like quite a good fight before that as well.
Poor to end the fight that way, the headbutt was wrong but that was a real cheapshot from Mayweather. Isn't that the referee who also took the Floyd-Hatton fight and Hatton's people complained about him? Post-match was entertaining, ITV might be interested in getting Merchant to interview SAF.
Anything been said about a Pacquiao fight or are there still excuses not to make that fight happen?
Anything been said about a Pacquiao fight or are there still excuses not to make that fight happen?
Just seen it, well, you play with matches and you get burned.Ortiz was out of order with the headbutt, can't make my mind up on the Floyd incident, whether the ref had told them to box on or not, then again if the ref had not told them to box on, should Ortiz be anywhere near Mayweather let alone touching him? If the fight had not been instructed to continue, why was the ref happy with the fighters approaching each other from the corners he sent them to?
It's bizarre how the ref seems to be talking to the ringside as the fight carries on and suddenly realised he has to watch the fight when Ortiz is on his arse unless he was advising time to resume because he's told the fighters to continue. He must have told them to, otherwise Ortiz wouldn't have thought 'oh okay then, I can move in to Mayweather now and walk towards him.'
Seems to me Cortez says "lets go" which to me is box on and obviously was to Floyd too, Ortiz was too busy trying to snuggle up and play nice despite using his head aggressively twice before in the same round and then blatently going for a DQ worthy butt.
Cortez is then looking to the side of the ring to indicate time to restart by the look of it and as he does Floyd finishes it. Pretty shoddy stuff from the ref really and not for the first time, in his day Cortez was one of the better refs but that day has long gone.
Cortez is then looking to the side of the ring to indicate time to restart by the look of it and as he does Floyd finishes it. Pretty shoddy stuff from the ref really and not for the first time, in his day Cortez was one of the better refs but that day has long gone.
Someone's angry!
Pacquiao is the only one who can possibly beat Floyd. Mayweather didn't look special in this one, he was winning but not comprehensively. Despicable actions suckerpunching Ortiz while he was apologising with his hands down.
Ortiz is an idiot but that's not relevant. Cowardly act by Floyd and a decent ref wouldn't have let it happen.
Ortiz is an idiot but that's not relevant. Cowardly act by Floyd and a decent ref wouldn't have let it happen.
How many times did Ortiz want to apologise though? He should have said sorry once and got on with it.
Can someone clear this up for me, because I don't know too many rules in boxing.
When the ref breaks them up, he sends them to the corners right?
So when he says box on, he allows the fighters to come back together and only then? Is my understanding of it. Is that right? Because if so, for Ortiz to then approach Floyd indicates he knows the fight is back on, and it's his own fault for trying to hug him and getting knocked out.
Or can the fighters approach each other when they have not been told to box on? Because then that rubbishes the paragraph before. If not though, and they only come together again once the fight is restarted, then why was Ortiz walking towards Floyd and the ref not moving him back again? If I understand it rightly that signals to me that both fighters knew it was back on again.
When the ref breaks them up, he sends them to the corners right?
So when he says box on, he allows the fighters to come back together and only then? Is my understanding of it. Is that right? Because if so, for Ortiz to then approach Floyd indicates he knows the fight is back on, and it's his own fault for trying to hug him and getting knocked out.
Or can the fighters approach each other when they have not been told to box on? Because then that rubbishes the paragraph before. If not though, and they only come together again once the fight is restarted, then why was Ortiz walking towards Floyd and the ref not moving him back again? If I understand it rightly that signals to me that both fighters knew it was back on again.
It's likely that both fighters knew the fight was back on, but in boxing it's not unusual to see boxers touch gloves/hug again before taking a step back and boxing again. You can say Ortiz apologised too much but apologising is hardly a malicious act, nothing to get too upset about. Floyd, whatever way you paint it, sucker punched him and he knew what he was doing. It's a shame because the fight was starting to get better. It was pure classless, and it's no wonder the majority of people, if they hadn't before, are starting to realise that although Floyd is a boxing genius, he is an utterly despicable person.
It's true that apologising is hardly a malicious act, but you're in the middle of a fight, the minimum expectation should be to get punched. He already apologised, kissed him, tried to apologise a second time, then got sent the corner, then he came in with a 'please Floyd acknowledge for a third time I'm sorry, I know we are in the middle of a fight but don't fight, just hug me' and got hit. IMO Floyd was seething from being headbutted and thought 'feck off, you've hugged me twice and kissed me, I get that you're sorry, but right now we've been told to punch each other by the ref, so here goes.'
Maybe Floyd could have waited, but maybe he just reached a point where he thought enough is enough, we're being paid to punch each other not to bum each other.
Ortiz is a dick for trying the headbutt, but at least he apologized. However, while Floyd was probably going to win anyway, there was no need to resort to that type of classless and unsportsmanlike conduct to get a win. But then again we're talking about a guy who's shit scared of losing his '0', so I guess no surprises there. And why the feck did they have that muppet as a ref in there, again? None of the 3 individuals did themselves any favor last night and rightly should be criticized. That said, that chick who sang the US national anthem 
Joe Cortez is a tool. Remember in the Hatton v Mayweather fight he let their camp get in his head and wouldn't let Hatton anywhere near him in his style but then when it came to the later fight of Joe Calzaghe v Bernard Hopkins in USA, he let Hopkins do what he wanted, grab, hold, cheat the lot, because it was his style and he was the home fighter. Dirty ref IMO and if he reffed our PL games week in week out he get slaughtered way more than Webb, Dowd and co.
Typically classless stuff from Mayweather, but I suppose it spared Ortiz the beating he was inevitably going to receive if the fight had continued. Floyd was just too quick, too accurate and too elusive... unusually aggressive, too.
I thought Ortiz's size would be more of a factor but even when he managed to pin his man against the ropes, barely anything he threw landed cleanly. I think that headbutt was an early sign of desperation because you could see the fight slipping away from him. Stupid thing to do, though, and he could've at least admitted it instead of playing the "I'm too much of a nice guy to do that" card. Don't really need to discuss the KO but, feck me, sometimes it seems like the guy is on a mission to make as many people hate him as possible. Was funny seeing him and Larry Merchant at it again, though.
As for Cortez... no idea what he was playing at. You can say what you like about him giving some fighters preferential treatment but he's usually on top of things.
I thought Ortiz's size would be more of a factor but even when he managed to pin his man against the ropes, barely anything he threw landed cleanly. I think that headbutt was an early sign of desperation because you could see the fight slipping away from him. Stupid thing to do, though, and he could've at least admitted it instead of playing the "I'm too much of a nice guy to do that" card. Don't really need to discuss the KO but, feck me, sometimes it seems like the guy is on a mission to make as many people hate him as possible. Was funny seeing him and Larry Merchant at it again, though.
As for Cortez... no idea what he was playing at. You can say what you like about him giving some fighters preferential treatment but he's usually on top of things.
Didn't see a problem with what Mayweather did. Cortez was unclear and got distracted, but i clearly saw him motion with his hands for the two fighters to continue. He didn't pause the fight while he looked away. Ortiz should not have let his guard down like that.
Floyd took the boy to school.
Floyd took the boy to school.
Wait for your opponent to be ready? Never. A professional fighter should never do that, nor be expected to do that. Floyd's instincts kicked in , while Ortiz was still in La-La-Land. He saw an opening and went for it. Good win for Floyd. May not have been the ending many had hoped for, but it's dumb to hate him for that.
Yeah there's no denying that Ortiz was naive to drop his guard like that. I doubt he'll be making that mistake again.
Still... pretty low stuff from Floyd. I bet there's plenty of other fighters who wouldn't have been quite so opportunistic.
Still... pretty low stuff from Floyd. I bet there's plenty of other fighters who wouldn't have been quite so opportunistic.
Referee's normal pre-fight instructions include 'protect yourself at all times'.
Got no sympathy for Ortiz whatsoever.
If anyone had've butted me in the ring (ooh matron) like that then the ref would've have to drag me off after the 1/2 combination.
Fcuk him.
If anyone had've butted me in the ring (ooh matron) like that then the ref would've have to drag me off after the 1/2 combination.
Fcuk him.
Can't say I agree with that. He clearly knew what was going on and took advantage of the whole situation. I don't blame him though, in his shoes I'd do the same to at least rock my opponent.
I have no sympathy for Ortiz either. But regardless, Mayweather is a complete wanker.
Exactly. They touched gloves, Ortiz hugged him and gave him a kiss, then tried to hug him again. feck off, they weren't there to hug each other. Ortiz deserves it if he goes in for a third apology on a guy who has his hands up defending himself (obviously ready to fight) and doesn't protect himself.
Regardless, Ortiz is to blame for the whole thing anyway. No headbutt and the whole situation is avoided.
Ortiz back in the day....
What's going down this weekend?
Does anyone have a reliable "fixture list" for Boxing btw? The BBC one is shite.
Does anyone have a reliable "fixture list" for Boxing btw? The BBC one is shite.
Has anyone heard of this BoxNation channel coming to Sky, heard Frank Warren about it on the radio.
Frank Warren launches BoxNation, a new fight sports channel on Sky - Telegraph
Edit the website - BoxNation - channel 456 Does have the Virgin logo up on there but just for Sky at the moment.
Frank Warren launches BoxNation, a new fight sports channel on Sky - Telegraph
Edit the website - BoxNation - channel 456 Does have the Virgin logo up on there but just for Sky at the moment.
Ta.
£10a month feck off, this is going to greatly reduce the amount of domestic fights i get to see. Hopefully Ricky Hattons promotion company will sign the best young talent and he will stick to working with Sky Sports.
Dunno if anyone has seen it, uploading that Gatti death documentary now so will post it when it's done.
Nice one mate. Very interested in seeing it even though it will undoubtedly depress the hell out of me. Gatti, Vernon Forrest, Alexis Arguello...that was a grim few weeks for boxing.
Megaupload and Megavideo are being cnuts found a link though:
MEGAVIDEO - I'm watching it
Password: sweetboxing
MEGAVIDEO - I'm watching it
Password: sweetboxing
Not sure if its been posted or not:
BBC Sport - Ricky Hatton considered suicide after defeat by Manny Pacquiao
BBC Sport - Ricky Hatton considered suicide after defeat by Manny Pacquiao
Thanks for that mate. Was a decent watch. The wife seems incredibly insincere.
Sergio Martinez is fighting tonight against Darren Barker. The Lee vs Vera rematch looks fairly interesting too.
Lee and Vera is on Sky Sports 1 now.
Lee hit him a fair smack there! Grin turned to grimace.
Vera down. Saved by the bell.