Which boxers are these? Despite having 45 fights on his record he's only ever fought 3 boxers in the top 10. Prior to fighting Fury he could barely got 5k people to turn up to his fights. Most Americans wouldn't have even been able to tell you who he was. There was a reason for that. He was considered a bit of a joke before he fought Fury.
AJ punches almost as hard as Wilder and is a markedly better boxer. Wilder will always have that knockout power, but he's never going to be favoured against AJ.
Nar, as the poster above wrote, Wilder will get gobbled up by the elite
Not for me, doubt he'd even land a punch on a fully fit Fury.
It’s still hard to know what he is. He’s had 45 fights, yet who has he actually beaten? Fury’s the best boxer he’s ever fought and he has failed to beat him three times (and the consensus is he lost all three). Ortiz is the de facto second best, then who is there even for third place? Breazeale, Stiverne, Arreola? He’s been a world champ for five years booking himself in complete isolation from the rest of the division.Wider isn't a shit boxer.
Wilder should be fecking nowhere near that.
Fury
Usyk
AJ
Whyte
I’m not convinced I’d even stick Wilder next, the only two fighters of any worth he’s fought are Ortiz (meh) and he’s been schooled 3 times by Fury and knocked out twice by his pillow hands, such a poor boxer he is. Usyk, AJ and even Whyte have better CV’s.
Considering that outrageous chin on Ruiz, I’d put money on him wiping out Wilder.
Wider isn't a shit boxer.
He's certainly nowhere near what you'd call elite at the skills of boxing. Apart from his knock-out power, what has he got?
You can win a tournament with one elite skill, like Goran Ivanisevic at Wimbledon or save your granny house like Happy Gilmour.
He’s a good fighter and has freakish power which took him to the top, but as far a boxing skill he was always extremely suspect.Wider isn't a shit boxer.
As a casual fan, I’d much rather see Fury vs Usyk as the next fight and unify the belts while the sport is still riding the wave. Maybe have Joshua vs Wilder as a rehab opportunity for both.
Yep. Dunno why anybody could think any different. Fury is all wrong for UsykThat would be ideal, although I don't think Fury v Usyk would be much of a contest.
Who’s he fought that’s even in the top 10? Yup, one fighter and got absolutely battered each time, knocked out twice by pillow hands.
This isn’t new information on Wilder, many have called it for years, the second he steps in with real quality he has a puncher’s chance and nothing more, he’ll be utterly schooled. Now we’ve been proven correct three times against the only top boxer he’s faced, and plenty are confident the same will happen if he steps in vs. AJ, Usyk, Whyte.
As I stated twice already, I don't watch enough boxing beyond the marquee fights so I couldn't tell you the backstory of the fighters Wilder fought but my point is; I'm sure he didn't fight Richard and Mikey from the streets. He fought actual professional boxers that would beat the shit out of you or me if we got in their face outside a wetherspoons on a Friday night.Which boxers are these? Despite having 45 fights on his record he's only ever fought 3 boxers in the top 10. Prior to fighting Fury he could barely got 5k people to turn up to his fights. Most Americans wouldn't have even been able to tell you who he was. There was a reason for that. He was considered a bit of a joke before he fought Fury.
AJ punches almost as hard as Wilder and is a markedly better boxer. Wilder will always have that knockout power, but he's never going to be favoured against AJ.
I just feel Wilders durability, plus his punching power would make the fight against AJ more than a formality for the Brit.
Wilder doesn’t need to outbox Joshua, he just needs to get exchanges going and with his greater endurance, chin and heart, there’s only going to be one winner there..
As much as people slate Wilders record. AJ's best wins are against two 40+ year olds who he went to war with in Wlad and Povetkin. Wilder is a dog in any fight, not sure how much more he has to prove that.
I don’t buy the pillow hands at all - Fury is 20st. and been shown how to use the full torque of his body on his punches via Cronk, so much so, he’s gotten over reliant on his newfound punching power and forgotten he’s a fleet-footed boxer better on the outside.He stayed in that ring not because he’s got a great chin, but because it was pillow hands hitting him. He gets hit by Whyte or AJ like that (and he will because he’s a human punching bag) and it’s lights out.
Go and look up the story of Trevor Bryan. He’s the current WBA World Heavyweight Champion, but considered a joke. BoxRec rank him #30 in the division. You can go a long way in modern boxing being an OK fighter beating nobodies, as long as you, your manager and your promoter know and pay the right people. Now Wilder probably isn’t quite Trevor Bryan, but he’s another boxer whose credibility largely stemmed from a big number preceding a zero. Once that zero goes, people are going to start to question things if you haven’t really beaten anyone top tier.As I stated twice already, I don't watch enough boxing beyond the marquee fights so I couldn't tell you the backstory of the fighters Wilder fought but my point is; I'm sure he didn't fight Richard and Mikey from the streets. He fought actual professional boxers that would beat the shit out of you or me if we got in their face outside a wetherspoons on a Friday night
I don’t buy the pillow hands at all - Fury is 20st. and been shown how to use the full torque of his body on his punches via Cronk, so much so, he’s gotten over reliant on his newfound punching power and forgotten he’s a fleet-footed boxer better on the outside.
Joshua has to stay in what is essentially the pocket to land on Wilder - his jab is the same range as all of Wilder’s most dangerous swings - where Whyte does not, and will not, as he’ll immediately close the distance unafraid of being hit on the way in, and tuck right in and make the fight what he wants it to be - the two of them aren’t comparable in this bout; Joshua, just by way of his fighting style, is in harm’s way for the majority of that fight where Whyte wouldn’t be.
Fury relied on his punch resistance to do what he did, Joshua doesn’t have that option. I could see Joshua doing [very] well in that contest until losing concentration and getting caught in a straight exchange, and from there, I’d expect Wilder to take control of the fight the moment it came down to endurance, resistance and heart basically the moment they started trading bombs.
Heavyweight boxing must be at an all time low if Fury is the best around. The greats of the past would eat him for breakfast.
Heavyweight boxing must be at an all time low if Fury is the best around. The greats of the past would eat him for breakfast.
Not necessarily. Fury's size. Jab. Chin. Heart. Mindset. Footwork. Head movement and ring IQ are all top notch. He could hang in any era and he would still be competitive.
Klitschko‘s era was probably the low point to be fair after a great late 80s and 90s. This era is far from the best but 10x better than the 2000s.
No way. He is really big compared to the greats of the past, many of whom would have fought as cruiseweights in our era.Heavyweight boxing must be at an all time low if Fury is the best around. The greats of the past would eat him for breakfast.
He's a monster of a man, brilliant boxer, is deceptively quick and has excellent stamina. He would fit in in any era IMO - not necessarily the best of all time but he'd fit in for sure. To be able to move like he can at 6 ft. 9 is seriously dangerous.You really think so? He looks like a lumbering target to me.
Wallin is such a dangerous fight - caused Fury himself all sorts of headaches. I love Dillian, has no qualms stepping in with absolutely anyone. Honestly though, he's had such a rough ride - never an easy fight. Nothing against Wallin, but hope Dillian wins so he can get his well deserved shot at a titleI presume the next round of fights will be Usyk vs Joshua and Fury vs Whyte, provide Whyte beats Wallin.
If the champs retain, then you’ll never get a better chance of unifying the heavyweight division than in Autumn 2022.
Yeah, he's said he knows he can rely on his powers of recovery if the worst comes to the worst, and he's really proven that as he's gotten up and been totally cognizant inside 30 seconds a few times now. There's nobody active in the heavies who comes close to those powers of recovery and they have to factor their own endurance into the risk-reward of going to war.Agreed. Fury knew he'd have to take some damage to get him out of there again in style. He could have fought as he did in the first and probably won, but he knows he can blast Wilder, so why not do it. That should be applauded really. When he says he's a fighting man, he isn't joking. He literally could have took a points win and not got touched but opted to trade.
Fury is now an eclectic boxer who can fight in pretty much any way he chooses now that he is a threat on the inside. He was brawling on Saturday because he wanted to; he could easily school Wilder from distance and dance around the ring all night as he did in the first contest, but he wanted a knockout and to prove that no matter what style he adopts, he can beat, and take, Wilder on.You really think so? He looks like a lumbering target to me.
Whilst I am not questioning your first paragraph, don't you think it's absolutely pointless to mention Fury of the distant past and not the belt holder version(s)?Fury would get destroyed by Lennox, Tyson, Vitali, Ali, Foreman, Bowe. etc.
Maybe he’s big and can box a bit but those guys were real superstars if Cunningham can put Fury on his back I dread to think what a prime Tyson or Lewis would do to him.
You’d have to say a prime Fury was against Wlad and that was 2015, Cunningham knocked down Fury in 2013 so not much between them.Whilst I am not questioning your first paragraph, don't you think it's absolutely pointless to mention Fury of the distant past and not the belt holder version(s)?
If you're going to use nadir, or compromised points, not a single boxer in your opener comes out smelling of roses. We use the best, most peak of all fighters for these discussions for a reason as that's the true reflection of the boxer being discussed. I mean, when you're talking Tyson, I'd immediately assume the Cus version, and not the spiralled shadow he became; same with Lewis: not the guy getting dropped by fighters who have no business doing that to him, but rather the lazer focused 'second time round' version that was a completely different animal in rematches.
2 years, mental health and not focused. Your reasoning would reflect badly on the fighters you mentioned if extrapolated. Lewis losing and dropping way below his recognised level (for the losses to be recognised as upsets) and coming back inside less than 2 years with a vengeance being one of a plethora of examples.You’d have to say a prime Fury was against Wlad and that was 2015, Cunningham knocked down Fury in 2013 so not much between them.
