The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Could plant win this, he’s been well able to handle this so far.

Nope canelo, canelod him, pity as he was fighting a great fight up until that
 
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Plant used that shoulder roll to great effect. He can seriously box. Gave Canelo a tough fight.

Although it wasn't quite a barnstormer it was the best fight Canelo's been in since GGG.
 
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Canelo has a chin of iron. Unless you're a heavyweight you're not knocking this guy down.
 
The amount of hate that Canelo gets is absolutely staggering. He's such a divisive figure.
 
Him v Beterbiev is the best fight he can take. He's too powerful for anyone around these weights, and too talented.
 
SambaBoy said:
Him v Beterbiev is the best fight he can take. He's too powerful for anyone around these weights, and too talented.
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I’d only watch that fight if it was with no stipulations. Catch weights and re-hydration clauses designed to handicap the opponent aren’t my thing. If it’s a genuine fight, I’d say that or Bivol are the only Canelo fights I’d watch. Didn’t bother to watch even 10 seconds of this past one.
 
Surprised Khan would agree to this. I always called it "the great escape" in the way he would avoid this fight.
 
Money Grab both men will retire afterwards pointless fight but to line Khan’s pockets even more..
 
Can’t see many forking out £20 for 2 over the hill fighters so maybe could be on DAZN. Not sure who the fighters promoters are though.
 
Eubanks v Williams is on regular Sky and not PPV which is brilliant and a real good fight to boot…

 
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Thats a good, competitive scrap. I’ll tune in. Tomorrow I’m going to Munguia vs. Rosado, which promises to be a real battle.
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Love Munguia should be a great fight, haven’t got DAZN though so won’t see it will get highlights on Sunday morning, let me know how it goes and enjoy yourself..
 
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He's absolutely batshit crazy but in fairness he's always competitive and willing to fight anybody, great character.
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Del Boy has his wild side but I think a lot of it now is an act. He's actually being quite cute here and making Hearn uncomfortable.

He knows that he is being used as a gatekeeper for a bigger fight (Parker Whyte II) and he just wants a fair a shake.

He essentially lost the first fight due to the better work clearly coming from Parker. He actually landed more, and he dropped him. I do believe that he could legitimately have won that fight and that Joe didn't do enough.

Everything that he says about the Helenius fight is spot on. He did clearly win that one and it was a shocker.

To be honest, I would like Joe to win this because Parker/Whyte II would be an absolute barnstormer.
 
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@Inter Yer Nan hey mate, just wanted to know your detailed opinion on Canelo? I promise not pass it off as my own.
 
Fun exercise for whoever wants to give it a go: rank the super middleweights into a top 10.

Roy Jones
Andre Ward
Joe Calzaghe
Canelo Alvarez
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank
Steve Collins
James Toney
Mikkel Kessler
Michael Watson

Division is a baby in boxing terms, but I think highly competitive for top 5. Can't see anyone picking over Roy ( @Inter Yer Nan :lol:), but I guess there's merit in longevity.

Very curious to see where Ward, Calzaghe, Canelo, Benn and Eubank are placed.

I think Canelo gets battered or outscored by nearly everyone on that list, but that's just me, probably?
 
Fortitude said:
Fun exercise for whoever wants to give it a go: rank the super middleweights into a top 10.

Roy Jones
Andre Ward
Joe Calzaghe
Canelo Alvarez
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank
Steve Collins
James Toney
Mikkel Kessler
Michael Watson

Division is a baby in boxing terms, but I think highly competitive for top 5. Can't see anyone picking over Roy ( @Inter Yer Nan :lol:), but I guess there's merit in longevity.

Very curious to see where Ward, Calzaghe, Canelo, Benn and Eubank are placed.

I think Canelo gets battered or outscored by nearly everyone on that list, but that's just me, probably?
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Joe Calzaghe
Roy Jones Jr
Andre Ward
Canelo
Carl Froch
Steve Collins
James Toney
Chris Eubanks
Nigel Benn
Mikkel Kessler
 
I honestly believe Andre Ward beats any 168-lber in history head to head, including Roy Jones
 
Fortitude said:
Fun exercise for whoever wants to give it a go: rank the super middleweights into a top 10.

Roy Jones
Andre Ward
Joe Calzaghe
Canelo Alvarez
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank
Steve Collins
James Toney
Mikkel Kessler
Michael Watson

Division is a baby in boxing terms, but I think highly competitive for top 5. Can't see anyone picking over Roy ( @Inter Yer Nan :lol:), but I guess there's merit in longevity.

Very curious to see where Ward, Calzaghe, Canelo, Benn and Eubank are placed.

I think Canelo gets battered or outscored by nearly everyone on that list, but that's just me, probably?
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Jones is the best fighter on the list, and by quite some distance. But Calzaghe, for his overall body of work in the division is probably the #1. Jones is much better than Joe pound for pound but specifically at 168 I’ll take Joe’s whole career and he deserves the title as GOAT at 168.

Ward would be a tough match for both because of his intelligence and roughness. He’s a frustrating style to deal with but I think they both beat him. James Toney probably beats Ward too but he’d have to be on top of his game. I think that’s the best four. The history of the division isn’t super deep and that’s why maybe Canelo would be in the top 5 or 6 soon, but his run of opponents aren’t anything special. Think about it; Calzaghe got criticized for his opposition so much while Canelo is being put on a pedestal but I honestly think Lacy, Mitchell, Brewer, Woodhall, Reid, Sheika were better than what Canelo’s just run though.
 
Inter Yer Nan said:
Jones is the best fighter on the list, and by quite some distance. But Calzaghe, for his overall body of work in the division is probably the #1. Jones is much better than Joe pound for pound but specifically at 168 I’ll take Joe’s whole career and he deserves the title as GOAT at 168.

Ward would be a tough match for both because of his intelligence and roughness. He’s a frustrating style to deal with but I think they both beat him. James Toney probably beats Ward too but he’d have to be on top of his game. I think that’s the best four. The history of the division isn’t super deep and that’s why maybe Canelo would be in the top 5 or 6 soon, but his run of opponents aren’t anything special. Think about it; Calzaghe got criticized for his opposition so much while Canelo is being put on a pedestal but I honestly think Lacy, Mitchell, Brewer, Woodhall, Reid, Sheika were better than what Canelo’s just run though.
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Calzaghe is an interesting one - I don't think he really gets the respect he deserves, particularly so coming just after heavy-hitting war machines who were on their way out as he was rising to the top. He's perceived a bit to be a pitter-patter hands fighter, which for some, lowers his standing. I think for myself, I appreciated him more after he retired than when he was fighting. Can't really give a solid reason why, but he's got a higher esteem now than I'd have said if asked about him 10years ago.

I've got Ward and Jones top 2, but not sure who goes where, given Ward's intelligence and craft would be a leveller against Jones' superior speed and power, I think. But Calzaghe's longevity cannot be denied and I don't think there can be much of an issue if someone put him at #1

Canelo was my prompt to think about asking the question. I think he's fortunate to be boxing in this era where the super middles on this list are not all bunched up together like they have been in the past. Apart from Kessler on that list, I think he'd have a real difficult time navigating the rest, but perhaps I'm doing him a disservice there.

How do you rank Benn, Eubank, Watson and Collins, out of interest? They were huge here for putting on the fights they did, so it'd be interesting to get the take on them from an international perspective (goes for anyone else who's got a view, too!)
 
Fortitude said:
Calzaghe is an interesting one - I don't think he really gets the respect he deserves, particularly so coming just after heavy-hitting war machines who were on their way out as he was rising to the top. He's perceived a bit to be a pitter-patter hands fighter, which for some, lowers his standing. I think for myself, I appreciated him more after he retired than when he was fighting. Can't really give a solid reason why, but he's got a higher esteem now than I'd have said if asked about him 10years ago.

I've got Ward and Jones top 2, but not sure who goes where, given Ward's intelligence and craft would be a leveller against Jones' superior speed and power, I think. But Calzaghe's longevity cannot be denied and I don't think there can be much of an issue if someone put him at #1

Canelo was my prompt to think about asking the question. I think he's fortunate to be boxing in this era where the super middles on this list are not all bunched up together like they have been in the past. Apart from Kessler on that list, I think he'd have a real difficult time navigating the rest, but perhaps I'm doing him a disservice there.

How do you rank Benn, Eubank, Watson and Collins, out of interest? They were huge here for putting on the fights they did, so it'd be interesting to get the take on them from an international perspective (goes for anyone else who's got a view, too!)
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Kessler, before his injuries and stuff, would have an excellent chance against Canelo. He was busy and had a great jab. Not much inside game though so Canelo could have success there but he may lose a lot of rounds. I suppose in a Canelo fight that doesn’t matter as hell always get the benefit of the doubt.

Eubank, Benn, Collins, Watson etc; were excellent and in Watson and Benn you had two real crowd pleasers there. Collins peaked a bit later and was fortunate to catch them after they’d all beaten the primes out of each other. Good fighter no doubt. Eubank is a strange one. Stopped Benn against the odds, big wins over Watson, but also so many tepid performances and controversial decisions. All four of those though would have also ran through the division Canelo just did.

Froch, although I’m far from a fan of, I think may have had what it takes to defeat Canelo. I’d view that as an even matchup.
 
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