Some of the fouls Costa did- one in the 1st half holding and tripping Delph and the one in 2nd half on Kompany- both bookable offences - and Costa gets away with both of them!
I know he cannot decide but it obviously wasn't a case of dropping the ball and having two players contesting for it. He clearly told Everton to kick the ball back. Mirallas didn't listen which could be considered as dissent by action or unsporting behavior.
Yeah it actually pisses me off what referees let Costa get away with to avoid coming across as booking his reputation or "its only costa that is expected"
Loved Youngy's reaction, the tackle reminded me of Evra on Suarez 10 seconds after kick-off.
That would be deciding the outcome. He can't force the players to do anything, but he can get a player from each side (preferably the captains) together and have them talk it out (and advice them, but that shouldn't be needed in most situations). If he had called over Barry and Carrick in that situation I guarantee that Barry would've kicked it to us. His feck up was not doing this - once he dropped the ball there's nothing he can do.
I also loved how if he wasn't going to do it there were 3 other players converging on him to do the exact same things.
Yeah, a headless situation that could've ended up some of them taking out a teammate, kind of like Evra on Rio. Enjoyed it immensely though, that's what I want to see from our players.
That's an intolerable mistake by a ref.Getting to be a joke now the current standard of refereeing. In the Newcastle game a Newcastle player encroached on the area during their penalty, which should result in a retake. Instead the referee awards a free kick the other way. All the pundits and professionals are saying its ok, he made a mistake, forget it and move on!
He got the rule completely wrong, yet still no accountability
No it's not. What Mirallas did is textbook unsporting behavior and the ref can caution players for it.
Do you actually understand.. words? How is telling the players "either you do this or you will get booked" not literally deciding the outcome?
old said:
In the outline summary of law changes the change is described asnew said:
There's no doubt in my mind why this change was made. The old rules were ambiguous because they didn't say anything about the outcome, whereas the new rules very clearly state the the referee cannot decide its outcome.
Considering the bookings he handed out during the game the red was appropriate, yeah. I thought Shaw's booking was very soft, but he stuck to that line so no complaints from me after the fact - a lot of refs could learn something from that part of his performance.
Sums up his performance throughout. Got the decisions right but did his best to ruin the game as a spectacle.
Agreed. Think under a lot of referees it would have been no yellow for Shaw and Martial but a yellow for Larsson. The ref stuck to his standards even if bookings were soft. That said, the Martial one was total nonsense.
Indeed, I made a similar point regarding Dean a few weeks back. It seems like a weak point in general among English refs - some of them genuinely seem to enjoy getting a little time to catch their breath or whatever. I watched the Bayern Munich-Dortmund game yesterday and late in the game a Bayern player was offside - the Dortmund keeper took the free kick from where he stood (in the box, miles away from where the actual offside was given). The fans didn't seem to care about it and not a single player complained, and it helped get the game going right away. A lot of PL refs would've ordered a retake in that situation.
Yeah, the Martial one was purely given based on GK and fan reaction. He couldn't have had any clue about what actually happened given how far away both him and his assistant was.
Pickford sticking his tongue out wound me up. Effectively admitting he play acted to get him booked.
Who's blaming the ref for our performance?
And a word from the linesman perhaps?
I've read it as a referee unintentionally undermining both teams' efforts at playing a properly entertaining game.Who's blaming the ref for our performance?
have to hope, but he had his hand in his pocket barely a second after 'contact'.
Well that's what happened. Which has nothing to do with how good or badly we played.
When the game's gash anyway his own small contribution in amplifying the effect of a bad spectacle becomes much less relevant. Other than that yellow card for Martial I don't think Pawson should be annoyed with his performance. Basically you blame him, I don't. If Webb was refereeing today's match I don't think the overall level of it would be that much different.
You've lost me again. I'm not blaming him for anything? I'm saying he had a poor game. Unnecessarily fussy and didn't let the game flow. It's up for debate how big an impact his individual performance had on the spectacle as a whole but that's a separate discussion.
This is really incredible. I'd love to hear an explanation by the ref or anybody regarding this decision
wtf was that?
.People generally have a hard time reading headlines on this forum. Anything is about everything according to some people. It's one of the things I really hate about this place - it's impossible to discuss refs after a loss without someone saying that you're only blaming the ref and not the team.Who's blaming the ref for our performance?
If you give people the opportunity to play act to get you in trouble then they will do so. I'm sure they'll point out that Ander was feigning some heavy contact for the red card while it looks like he only glanced him if there was any contact at all.
The free kick was really odd. After sending Larsson off, the ball bounced off him to Pogba and I think he just blew his whistle because he didn't want that to happen. If anything he gave the free kick against himself.This is really incredible. I'd love to hear an explanation by the ref or anybody regarding this decision
The ref also booked Martial for being kicked by Pickford
Jose made a wise decision subbing off anyone on a yellow card. The players could play conservatively but even then you couldn't rely on Pawson getting the decisions right. I've not seen much of him before but he had a very poor game.
Yeah completely agree in both cases. I've not heard or noticed him much either - but I remember him from 2 matches this season in which I felt he was poor for both. If he's only reffed us in two matches this season, then he's a very poor ref
He's clearly not blaming him, he's pointing out he had a bad game and didn't let the game flow. It annoys me how any sort of criticism of a referee is invariably interpreted as an excuse for a poor team performance by someone. If you disagree with him, just say so and don't accuse him of blaming a ref for our performance. This thread is about refereeing performances and not about team performances.
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