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Some of the fouls Costa did- one in the 1st half holding and tripping Delph and the one in 2nd half on Kompany- both bookable offences - and Costa gets away with both of them!I thought it may be my red tinted specs that make me hate refs in our games
Watching the Man City v Chelsea game though I realised I actually hate Mike Dean, what a cnut
I know he cannot decide but it obviously wasn't a case of dropping the ball and having two players contesting for it. He clearly told Everton to kick the ball back. Mirallas didn't listen which could be considered as dissent by action or unsporting behavior.Read the rules you quoted yourself:
The ref fecked up when restarting the play in that he (like our players) assumed Everton would give us the ball, so he just dropped it for Mirallas. What refs usually do is talk to the players to make sure there's an agreement beforehand to prevent situations like this.
Yeah it actually pisses me off what referees let Costa get away with to avoid coming across as booking his reputation or "its only costa that is expected"Some of the fouls Costa did- one in the 1st half holding and tripping Delph and the one in 2nd half on Kompany- both bookable offences - and Costa gets away with both of them!
Loved Youngy's reaction, the tackle reminded me of Evra on Suarez 10 seconds after kick-off.Our players were a bit gormless here. The rules were changed so: "the referee cannot decide who may contest a dropped ball or its outcome."
We just needed to contest it and get on it with it. Everton were clearly not going to be Corinithian about it, so we should have just competed for it.
You can take as many touches as you want from winning a dropped ball, but it has to touch two players before a goal can be scored, otherwise a goal kick or corner is given. This was again changed after there were a few occasions where a team "gave it back" to the opposition with a bit more zing than normal and the referee had no choice but to award the goal.
That would be deciding the outcome. He can't force the players to do anything, but he can get a player from each side (preferably the captains) together and have them talk it out (and advice them, but that shouldn't be needed in most situations). If he had called over Barry and Carrick in that situation I guarantee that Barry would've kicked it to us. His feck up was not doing this - once he dropped the ball there's nothing he can do.I know he cannot decide but it obviously wasn't a case of dropping the ball and having two players contesting for it. He clearly told Everton to kick the ball back. Mirallas didn't listen which could be considered as dissent by action or unsporting behavior.
I also loved how if he wasn't going to do it there were 3 other players converging on him to do the exact same things.Loved Youngy's reaction, the tackle reminded me of Evra on Suarez 10 seconds after kick-off.
Yeah, a headless situation that could've ended up some of them taking out a teammate, kind of like Evra on Rio. Enjoyed it immensely though, that's what I want to see from our players.I also loved how if he wasn't going to do it there were 3 other players converging on him to do the exact same things.
That's an intolerable mistake by a ref.Getting to be a joke now the current standard of refereeing. In the Newcastle game a Newcastle player encroached on the area during their penalty, which should result in a retake. Instead the referee awards a free kick the other way. All the pundits and professionals are saying its ok, he made a mistake, forget it and move on!
He got the rule completely wrong, yet still no accountability
No it's not. What Mirallas did is textbook unsporting behavior and the ref can caution players for it.That would be deciding the outcome. He can't force the players to do anything, but he can get a player from each side (preferably the captains) together and have them talk it out (and advice them, but that shouldn't be needed in most situations). If he had called over Barry and Carrick in that situation I guarantee that Barry would've kicked it to us. His feck up was not doing this - once he dropped the ball there's nothing he can do.
Do you actually understand.. words? How is telling the players "either you do this or you will get booked" not literally deciding the outcome?No it's not. What Mirallas did is textbook unsporting behavior and the ref can caution players for it.
old said:The referee cannot decide who may or may not contest a dropped ball.
In the outline summary of law changes the change is described asnew said:Any number of players may contest a dropped ball (including the goalkeepers); the referee cannot decide who may contest the dropped ball or its outcome.
There's no doubt in my mind why this change was made. The old rules were ambiguous because they didn't say anything about the outcome, whereas the new rules very clearly state the the referee cannot decide its outcome.Referee can not ‘manufacture’ outcome of a dropped ball
Considering the bookings he handed out during the game the red was appropriate, yeah. I thought Shaw's booking was very soft, but he stuck to that line so no complaints from me after the fact - a lot of refs could learn something from that part of his performance.Today was a good example of not getting any obvious decisions wrong (red card was spot on) but still spoiling the game. Ridiculously fussy and seemed to forget the whole concept of playing advantage.
Sums up his performance throughout. Got the decisions right but did his best to ruin the game as a spectacle.Considering the bookings he handed out during the game the red was appropriate, yeah. I thought Shaw's booking was very soft, but he stuck to that line so no complaints from me after the fact - a lot of refs could learn something from that part of his performance.
That free kick early on in our box where he wanted Romero to take it a fecking yard further back though - only because Sunderland fans were complaining. Such a needless waste of time.
Agreed. Think under a lot of referees it would have been no yellow for Shaw and Martial but a yellow for Larsson. The ref stuck to his standards even if bookings were soft. That said, the Martial one was total nonsense.Considering the bookings he handed out during the game the red was appropriate, yeah. I thought Shaw's booking was very soft, but he stuck to that line so no complaints from me after the fact - a lot of refs could learn something from that part of his performance.
That free kick early on in our box where he wanted Romero to take it a fecking yard further back though - only because Sunderland fans were complaining. Such a needless waste of time.
Indeed, I made a similar point regarding Dean a few weeks back. It seems like a weak point in general among English refs - some of them genuinely seem to enjoy getting a little time to catch their breath or whatever. I watched the Bayern Munich-Dortmund game yesterday and late in the game a Bayern player was offside - the Dortmund keeper took the free kick from where he stood (in the box, miles away from where the actual offside was given). The fans didn't seem to care about it and not a single player complained, and it helped get the game going right away. A lot of PL refs would've ordered a retake in that situation.Sums up his performance throughout. Got the decisions right but did his best to ruin the game as a spectacle.
Yeah, the Martial one was purely given based on GK and fan reaction. He couldn't have had any clue about what actually happened given how far away both him and his assistant was.Agreed. Think under a lot of referees it would have been no yellow for Shaw and Martial but a yellow for Larsson. The ref stuck to his standards even if bookings were soft. That said, the Martial one was total nonsense.
Pickford sticking his tongue out wound me up. Effectively admitting he play acted to get him booked.Martial's booking was nonsense, the only contact was made by the keeper on his follow through.
Who's blaming the ref for our performance?First half red cards usually spoil the games, even when they're right like in this instance. It wasn't the ref, we just weren't at our best today regardless of the final scoreline.
And a word from the linesman perhaps?It's kind of minor in the greater scheme of things, but his decision to book Martial one of the worst I've seen. Replays show he wasn't looking at the play - ie - he didn't see it himself. All he had was the crowd noise and a 'guess' of what happened.
And he booked a player on that. That's ridiculous.
I've read it as a referee unintentionally undermining both teams' efforts at playing a properly entertaining game.Who's blaming the ref for our performance?
have to hope, but he had his hand in his pocket barely a second after 'contact'.And a word from the linesman perhaps?
Well that's what happened. Which has nothing to do with how good or badly we played.I've read it as a referee unintentionally undermining both teams' efforts at playing a properly entertaining game.
When the game's gash anyway his own small contribution in amplifying the effect of a bad spectacle becomes much less relevant. Other than that yellow card for Martial I don't think Pawson should be annoyed with his performance. Basically you blame him, I don't. If Webb was refereeing today's match I don't think the overall level of it would be that much different.Well that's what happened. Which has nothing to do with how good or badly we played.
You've lost me again. I'm not blaming him for anything? I'm saying he had a poor game. Unnecessarily fussy and didn't let the game flow. It's up for debate how big an impact his individual performance had on the spectacle as a whole but that's a separate discussion.When the game's gash anyway his own small contribution in amplifying the effect of a bad spectacle becomes much less relevant. Other than that yellow card for Martial I don't think Pawson should be annoyed with his performance. Basically you blame him, I don't. If Webb was refereeing today's match I don't think the overall level of it would be that much different.
The worst decision today was the free kick he gave Sunderland just after the red card. I don't think even he knew what it was for. It was almost as bad as the goal kick decision in the Everton game.
This is really incredible. I'd love to hear an explanation by the ref or anybody regarding this decision .
wtf was that?
People generally have a hard time reading headlines on this forum. Anything is about everything according to some people. It's one of the things I really hate about this place - it's impossible to discuss refs after a loss without someone saying that you're only blaming the ref and not the team.Who's blaming the ref for our performance?
If you give people the opportunity to play act to get you in trouble then they will do so. I'm sure they'll point out that Ander was feigning some heavy contact for the red card while it looks like he only glanced him if there was any contact at all.Pickford sticking his tongue out wound me up. Effectively admitting he play acted to get him booked.
Enjoy the championship
The free kick was really odd. After sending Larsson off, the ball bounced off him to Pogba and I think he just blew his whistle because he didn't want that to happen. If anything he gave the free kick against himself.This is really incredible. I'd love to hear an explanation by the ref or anybody regarding this decision .
The ref also booked Martial for being kicked by Pickford
Jose made a wise decision subbing off anyone on a yellow card. The players could play conservatively but even then you couldn't rely on Pawson getting the decisions right. I've not seen much of him before but he had a very poor game.I felt he was awful - got the big call right but was effected by the crowd and started blowing for fouls and giving yellows for everything.
Yeah completely agree in both cases. I've not heard or noticed him much either - but I remember him from 2 matches this season in which I felt he was poor for both. If he's only reffed us in two matches this season, then he's a very poor refThe free kick was really odd. After sending Larsson off, the ball bounced off him to Pogba and I think he just blew his whistle because he didn't want that to happen. If anything he gave the free kick against himself.
Jose made a wise decision subbing off anyone on a yellow card. The players could play conservatively but even then you couldn't rely on Pawson getting the decisions right. I've not seen much of him before but he had a very poor game.
He's clearly not blaming him, he's pointing out he had a bad game and didn't let the game flow. It annoys me how any sort of criticism of a referee is invariably interpreted as an excuse for a poor team performance by someone. If you disagree with him, just say so and don't accuse him of blaming a ref for our performance. This thread is about refereeing performances and not about team performances.When the game's gash anyway his own small contribution in amplifying the effect of a bad spectacle becomes much less relevant. Other than that yellow card for Martial I don't think Pawson should be annoyed with his performance. Basically you blame him, I don't. If Webb was refereeing today's match I don't think the overall level of it would be that much different.
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...if you showed it to 18 referees then nine would go red and nine would go yellow.