Kazi
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Surely a certain someone should be added to the restrictions, I rate him at least as highly as Cristiano
No sucking up to the committee, son!Great job the committee.
Me tooSurely a certain someone should be added to the restrictions, I rate him at least as highly as Cristiano
He was discussed in the other thread.Surely a certain someone should be added to the restrictions, I rate him at least as highly as Cristiano
You can be my AM if you want, this is my 1st one since the newbiesShame I missed out on this, would have been a bit of fun.
Glad to see La Maquina making an appearance too, especially after researching them into the early hours of the night on more than one occasion.
Good luck all!
Monday through Friday I'm pretty much MIA for now, so wouldn't be much help for you unfortunately. I'll have to stick to watching this one from afar. Cheers for the offer though!You can be my AM if you want, this is my 1st one since the newbies
I'm sure you're paranoid in real lifeNo sucking up to the committee, son!
But thanks. We'll see how well you all like us a bit further down the road.
Still a bit odd to have C.Ronaldo banner and not Luis Ronaldo. To me the second one is better and not much difference in terms of tactical outlay. Anyhow won't make such a difference.He was discussed in the other thread.
Key part is that he isn't that useful in a purely tactical sense. You can use his individual quality to upgrade a position in your team - but that's it. You can't use him directly against an opponent - the whole dynamics is different in this draft, individual players don't matter to the extent they normally do.
Trust me , I'm going to do it proud.Shame I missed out on this, would have been a bit of fun.
Glad to see La Maquina making an appearance too, especially after researching them into the early hours of the night on more than one occasion.
Good luck all!
Well, the one you have to block is Messi - as he's the one who can make a potentiallyStill a bit odd to have C.Ronaldo banner and not Luis Ronaldo. To me the second one is better and not much difference in terms of tactical outlay. Anyhow won't make such a difference.
Post 53 is the running order,Can we get the picking order and kick this off?
Is this confirmed ? I thought it would be fairer to do another randomizerPost 53 is the running order,
Sorry, I didn't look at it properly saw it and just thought it was the running order.Is this confirmed ? I thought it would be fairer to do another randomizer
CR7 you can use on the flanks I give you that but his namesake is a complete forward. Would fit as a #9 in pretty much every single of those formations(and best player of the pool IMO).Well, the one you have to block is Messi - as he's the one who can make a potentially
disproportionate difference: He can fill certain roles no other player in the pool can, and so forth.
The rationale for blocking C. Ronaldo is different – it's convention, for one thing: You block the one, you block the other. And he's a player who tends to divide opinion in a way that's often just tedious, not very interesting, etc. So, blocking him has a “better safe than sorry” function if you will.
And he is more useful than his namesake in this context, since he can function on both flanks in distinctly different (tactical) roles, as well as being someone you can field more centrally in several formations.
The formation blueprints will probably have to be sorted out before it kicks off officially - and there might be one or two minor details to sort out in addition to that.Anyone not playing in the draft able to do the randomiser for us to get this started?
The formation is known. Tactics you need to research. Surely if they get the formation wrong, it a point to the negative. What more do the mods need to do?Surely we can't kick off without the formation blueprints, especially given the nature of the draft and lack of tactical flexibility.
An example (ideally the most typical one) of how the (classic) team you've been allocated lined up. It's not more complicated than that. In most cases the examples will be obvious: Lineups from famous finals, mostly.When you say formation blueprint , do you mean the way your team HAS to line up ?
I think it was Joga that mentioned that there can be tactical(or possibly formation) tweaks here and there, so that(if it is still on) needs to be clarified to what extend, a bit before kicking off IMO. Not asking for mine per say, but for example the Austrian Wunderteam I've seen variations in terms of formation - for example Sindelaar's position - up top/false 9 or withdrawn CF behind the 2 inside forwards.The formation is known. Tactics you need to research. Surely if they get the formation wrong, it a point to the negative. What more do the mods need to do?
Yeah, no tactical tweaks and variations allowed which is stated in the OP. So, the basic formation and the overall balance, interplay and ideology of the set-up has to be replicated. You'd be free to show tactical moves (false 9 dropping deep, formation transitions etc) and whatsoever went on in the system in the OP of your match-thread under the 'Specific Tactical Manoeuvres' segment.That begs the question - should there be a formation layout in the OP that the managers have to follow, for example we have to put the exact formation in regards to that specific blueprint year, or we have some creative freedom and move some positions a bit, but keeping the shape?
At least this is what I didn't think was cleared in the OP. I don't mean that every one gets a formation, tactics and everything else just to fill 11 spots, just some fine details. I'll give you an example, this time with the WW one. It's again based on ideology and for example it is based on 2 withdrawn inside forwards as main source of creativity but they are close to the center of the pitch - and that can help in wide areas. In other words if I have to recreate it positional wise(strictly) do I try to fit in 2 forwards(because the system back then played withdrawn forwards) or I can field 2 box to box players capable of roaming to the flanks?
Yeah, the player fits are paramount and they will have to be replicated as best as possible.Do we pick players most like our set up, With Gerd Muller in 1972 I would need to pick a player like him? Be pointless picking one like Eusebio for example?
Think there are one or two others from the draft discussion thread who've offered to be AMs.You can be my AM if you want, this is my 1st one since the newbies
Both the lists were randomised, first the manager list for the picking order and then the set-ups list. The corresponding set-ups from the randomised tactical set ups list were then assigned to the randomised manager list. You can find both the initial lists in the draft discussion thread.Is this confirmed ? I thought it would be fairer to do another randomizer
I get this and an easy example would be if your building a side that plays to a target man you'd be doing better recruiting Andy Carroll than Aguero. Easiest way I can find of explaining it.Because some in the draft committee are a bit worried that some of you guys maybe didn't really get what you got yourself into here. So please read the op very carefully and if you're not sure what we want from you, ask before you make your first pick. There really are no stupid questions and there's still time left before we kick it off.
In short, we want you to look into these historical football sides, understand what was unique about them and work out the tactical nuances that made them special. Then try to recreate that in your team. Don't just build a 442 if the team you have to rebuild was a 442. Look into the specific things some of the players offered which made it work and excel.
A modern example would be Ancelotti's CL winning 442/433 side with Di Maria playing a really unique role. If you had to rebuild that, your task would be to create a similar left wing dynamic that we've seen in that team between Ronaldo, Di Maria and Marcelo. Don't just pick any quality fullback/winger/wide midfielder you can find, but try to find players who could offer that kind of play in theory, even if they aren't necessary elite players.
Exactly. That's it - but from now on, let's remember not to name any eligible players.I get this and an easy example would be if your building a side that plays to a target man you'd be doing better recruiting **** ****** than ******. Easiest way I can find of explaining it.
My only question would be how does the voting works ? Say both team have created a side which resembles closely with the tactical templates given, with all players fitting in nicely. What would you as a voter would use as a tie breaker, individual quality or which team would win a real match ? because in that case, there are some systems which might employ players who are both quality and play in the positions the systems requires. While other teams face the trade off between quality and tactical fit.Because some in the draft committee are a bit worried that some of you guys maybe didn't really get what you got yourself into here. So please read the op very carefully and if you're not sure what we want from you, ask before you make your first pick. There really are no stupid questions and there's still time left before we kick it off.
I doubt that the teams will be flawless, the playerpool is simply too small and too weak to recreate these teams perfectly. So whoever convinces me best that his team resembles the original, gets my vote. I can't guarantee you that someone might not read the rules and just votes for Pele > Vieri based on their individual quality of course, but I think the majority of the voters should and we'll certainly try to make it as clear as possible in the match threads and the polls.My only question would be how does the voting works ? Say both team have created a side which resembles closely with the tactical templates given, with all players fitting in nicely. What would you as a voter would use as a tie breaker, individual quality or which team would win a real match ? because in that case, there are some systems which might employ players who are both quality and play in the positions the systems requires. While other teams face the trade off between quality and tactical fit.
As a contrived example, say that if a tactics demand for a target man, while other tactic allow for a fast dribbling striker or a poacher, now the best target man available is Vieri while the best fast striker is Pele, wouldn't that put the first tactic in an automatic disadvantage ?
I think we simply have to leave the finer calculations to the voters: The basic question is simple: Which team is the best remake. If you, as a voter, think they're equally well/poorly re-created, you have to either call it a draw (as you normally would in a draft), or come up with a deciding factor of some kind.As a contrived example, say that if a tactics demand for a target man, while other tactic allow for a fast dribbling striker or a poacher, now the best target man available is Vieri while the best fast striker is Pele, wouldn't that put the first tactic in an automatic disadvantage ?