The Second RedCafe Sheep Draft
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
For the sake of transparency, the sheep allocating process will be conducted as follows:
STEP 1:
Players needing a sheep - 9
Edgar Allan Pillow - Rijkaard, Sammer, Zoff = Greedy feck
BorisDeLaFora = Rijkaard, Sammer, Zoff =
Cutch - Cruyff, Zoff, Vialli = Forward
Sajeev = ADS, Haan, Zebec = Capello
Joga Bonito = Rijkaard, Haan, Zebec = Capello, blocked, uh oh
MJJ = ADS, Zoff, Vialli = Forward
Kazi = Beckenbauer, Zoff, Stankovic = should get the best sheep poor unlucky sod
MDFC Manager = Cruyff, Puskas, Deschamps = clearly wants a GOAT, a manager one surely...
Raees = ADS, Puskas, Deschamps = zy
That Zoff pick was genius!
STEP 2: Rule out any player anywhere close to being as good as Haan (blocked) or Ancelotti (worst picked player), let alone the better ones...
STEP 3: Find out if whoever remains is someone who actually played football at all, at least beyond Youth Level. Hopefully. Maybe not.
STEP 4: Allocate
STEP 1:
Players needing a sheep - 9
Edgar Allan Pillow - Rijkaard, Sammer, Zoff = Greedy feck
BorisDeLaFora = Rijkaard, Sammer, Zoff =
Cutch - Cruyff, Zoff, Vialli = Forward
Sajeev = ADS, Haan, Zebec = Capello
Joga Bonito = Rijkaard, Haan, Zebec = Capello, blocked, uh oh
MJJ = ADS, Zoff, Vialli = Forward
Kazi = Beckenbauer, Zoff, Stankovic = should get the best sheep poor unlucky sod
MDFC Manager = Cruyff, Puskas, Deschamps = clearly wants a GOAT, a manager one surely...
Raees = ADS, Puskas, Deschamps =
zyThat Zoff pick was genius!
STEP 2: Rule out any player anywhere close to being as good as Haan (blocked) or Ancelotti (worst picked player), let alone the better ones...
STEP 3: Find out if whoever remains is someone who actually played football at all, at least beyond Youth Level. Hopefully. Maybe not.
STEP 4: Allocate
Feck that, this is an art my friend, an art!!!!! Although there's an above average one I would like to squeeze in, see if the manager can do feck all with him.
Well let's see how you do first. .. then we can see who got screwed over
@antohan Klopp would be a good sheep. Hard man and organiser at the back for anyone you want to give a defender.
STEP 2.5 rule out unheard of people, they have a habit of being ignored rather than being considered sheep. If anyone sees Rafa Benítez in midfield, they know EXACTLY what is going on.For the sake of transparency, the sheep allocating process will be conducted as follows:
STEP 1:
Players needing a sheep - 9
Edgar Allan Pillow - Rijkaard, Sammer, Zoff = Greedy feck
BorisDeLaFora = Rijkaard, Sammer, Zoff =
Cutch - Cruyff, Zoff, Vialli = Forward
Sajeev = ADS, Haan, Zebec = Capello
Joga Bonito = Rijkaard, Haan, Zebec = Capello, blocked, uh oh
MJJ = ADS, Zoff, Vialli = Forward
Kazi = Beckenbauer, Zoff, Stankovic = should get the best sheep poor unlucky sod
MDFC Manager = Cruyff, Puskas, Deschamps = clearly wants a GOAT, a manager one surely...
Raees = ADS, Puskas, Deschamps =
That Zoff pick was genius!
STEP 2: Rule out any player anywhere close to being as good as Haan (blocked) or Ancelotti (worst picked player), let alone the better ones...
STEP 3: Find out if whoever remains is someone who actually played football at all, at least beyond Youth Level. Hopefully. Maybe not.
STEP 4: Allocate
Klopp played footie? Good shout. Will look up his PES stats
Apparently Bela Guttman used to play footie as well. Feck it, this will be just managers who ever played footie, basically. Some will have better credentials than others, but will largely look every bit a sheep.
Avram Grant became a manager at 17
I would pay too see Brian Clough vs. José Mourinho. Looks like Cloughie would get the upper hand too: 251 goals in 274 games 
Nah, at 31, he was Youth/Reserve Coach before that.Avram Grant became a manager at 17
No worries though, I'm sticking to one cap minimum. Trap is too good for a sheep though.
Precisely. Obscure ones are useless as sheep. And managers with too good a track record are dubious too. If you give someone Guttman or Lobanovskyi or what have ya, they may possibly get something like sympathy votes (not likely, I know, but still). FSW is perfect - he's the ideal sheep, in fact.
Ffs
Clough was a very good player in his pomp - so that's definitely off. If Fergie's considered too good, Clough isn't even to be considered.I would pay too see Brian Clough vs. José Mourinho. Looks like Cloughie would get the upper hand too: 251 goals in 274 games
Our own Louis van Gaal could be one of the better sheep.
FSW is a bit much, only managed to get into the Spain Universities XI. Whoever gets him would have every right to feel aggrieved because he has no redeeming features. Likewise, Fergie is out, too much kudos. I'm mulling over Michels, great scoring record and a crafty manager could make him out to be the original Cruyff.
Does Josip Simunic count as two players for round 2?
No caps, he is off the table. If you want an uncapped one you can have Rafa.
In fairness, if someone is to get a striker at the very least it should be someone who could conceivably score. If the manager gets voters, inc. scan voters to see Brian Clough as a very good player then fair fecks to him.
Hitzfeld was a decent striker. Won two league titles with Basel and scored quite a lot for Germany at the Olympic football tournament in '72. He'd make a nice sheep in my opinion, nothing special but not completely useless. I'm not sure if he ever was capped with the 'real' German nationalteam though.
Just to clarify, if both picks are blocked, you can start from scratch for your next pick? ie: You are only restricted to the same game/round if 1 of the 2 players a blocked?
Well, it's not my call - but in my opinion Clough is nowhere near sheep material. Far too good a player for that. He has the highest goals per game ratio of any player who has scored more than 200 goals in the English game - a first rate finisher, in fact.
Michels is too good to be a sheep I think.
To be honest given his impressive scoring record, I thought Clough was a half-decent, low-risk option at the death there for the third pick.
Yeah, have him down based on Olympic caps. For now at least.
I'll draw up a shortlist and PM it to you and @Chesterlestreet so you veto any outliers, then allocate the final 9.
Correct
But then, you got Puskas you evil bastard!
You're mulling over Michels? Really? If he's a sheep, then getting 3 blocks won't really be that punishing, then.
Anyone know where you get booking stats for the older tournaments?
@Skizzo
- If I choose 2 players from say semi final match of a WC, and both are blocked, I'm free to choose any other match/tournament for 2nd pick.
- If I choose 2 players from say semi final match of a WC, and 1 is blocked, I need to choose another carded player from same match. If none, then any other years WC semi final carded player is OK.
Am I getting this right?
- If I choose 2 players from say semi final match of a WC, and both are blocked, I'm free to choose any other match/tournament for 2nd pick.
- If I choose 2 players from say semi final match of a WC, and 1 is blocked, I need to choose another carded player from same match. If none, then any other years WC semi final carded player is OK.
Am I getting this right?
Wikipedia has all the cards, no stats overview though. Still, it should be sufficient for this.
Aye, looking for the same.
It's a fecking nightmare, even the official FIFA reports don't have the cautions in it most of the time. Only from 1970 onwards, when they introduced the yellow/red cards, the reports seem to be accurate.
There were no cards in the earlier tournaments!
On the first part you are correct.
On the second part. If you pick players from one semi final, and one player is blocked, you can only choose from that same semi final, or the other semi final of the same year.
Just realized I could and should have picked Heynckes.
You have to be far more generous with strikers, the hopes of scoring usually rest on their shoulders. Hiding a dodgy defender/midfielder is a lot easier. But yeah, point taken, have PMd Balu/Chester/Gio for them to take the scissors out on a list of 15-20.
You playing?
Ok, i never knew this! Thought Anto was on the windup