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New year, same Trent
As usual when Elliot plays.Elliott was nowhere helping to cover.
Yeah I’m not a fan of his either. Very limited player right now. Klopp has his favourites though.As usual when Elliot plays.
People go on and on about Nunez but Elliot is the biggest problem in your team IMO.
Doesn't offer much going forward and nothing in defense.
That's true but he is a youngster, not a £80 million strikerAs usual when Elliot plays.
People go on and on about Nunez but Elliot is the biggest problem in your team IMO.
Doesn't offer much going forward and nothing in defense.
Sure but I would say Elliot is infinitely worse as he's not even a physical presence on the pitch.That's true but he is a youngster, not a £80 million striker
Yes, it's the fundamentals of defending taught at age 10. Play the man you can see who is in the most immediate danger. If the ball goes over his head at the back post then hold your hands up and say fantastic delivery, but you can't be letting that man in front win the ball and score. Dalot in the defense and you don't concede that as he's exceptional at the back post.Is that second goal on him? He was outnumbered at the back post and Elliott was nowhere helping to cover.
Just assessing the danger would cause him to pick up Wissa, and you can see Konate specifically passes on Wissa to him as the play develops. He just wasn’t paying attention as usual. Whether the goal was all his fault is debatable, but his man scored, so he’s primarily responsible.Is that second goal on him? He was outnumbered at the back post and Elliott was nowhere helping to cover.
Elliot is absolute garbage, yet some Liverpool fans seem to think he's a cracking prospect.As usual when Elliot plays.
People go on and on about Nunez but Elliot is the biggest problem in your team IMO.
Doesn't offer much going forward and nothing in defense.
Yeah I really don't see why.Elliot is absolute garbage, yet some Liverpool fans seem to think he's a cracking prospect.
Mainly on Konate I’d say as he was the defender best placed to pull defenders around to cover the runners. Konate should have kept Trent far post to cover the deepest runner, so he could pick up Wissa, and then shuffled over Van Dijk and Fabiano who ended up contributing feck all. That way everyone would’ve been man-for-man rather than Trent covering two at the back post.Is that second goal on him? He was outnumbered at the back post and Elliott was nowhere helping to cover.
I love seeing his name in their starting eleven. Curtis Jones too, but he doesn't play as often. Elliot plays far too many games.Elliot is absolute garbage, yet some Liverpool fans seem to think he's a cracking prospect.
Not on him. Liverpool's defensive structure was bad & was geared towards a low cross to the near post. Brentford exploited that by a high cross to the far corner, every single time. Probably on Alisson/VVD who organize the defence.Is that second goal on him? He was outnumbered at the back post and Elliott was nowhere helping to cover.
Absolute mixed bags last night for me.He was actually pretty good defensively last night.
I agree this is a major flaw of Liverpool's setup. Not even to discredit Elliot, but it's a shift away from what worked for them before with 3 physical, hardworking and solid CMs, allowing the full backs and wide forwards lots of freedom. Even with a top class attacking midfielder in that position it'd be a tactical problem, having a young kid in front of Trent makes it even worse.As usual when Elliot plays.
People go on and on about Nunez but Elliot is the biggest problem in your team IMO.
Doesn't offer much going forward and nothing in defense.
Did well in the second half I thought
I noticed that myself.World class for Neville.
The hyperbole around him when he actually Creates something. Totally forgetting the other 10 times he booted it into the box to no one.
Liverpool are so wasteful at times with balls into the box. It's worked a lot at times over the years going long but so one dimensional
I noticed that myself.
For whatever reason the media really really want Trent to be world class. He just isn't.
I understand disliking a Liverpool player, but this is a silly complaint about a player at the heart of a CL win and a multiple long winning runs in the league. Liverpool are "wasteful at times with balls into the box" but also "it's worked a lot of times"?World class for Neville.
The hyperbole around him when he actually Creates something. Totally forgetting the other 10 times he booted it into the box to no one.
Liverpool are so wasteful at times with balls into the box. It's worked a lot at times over the years going long but so one dimensional
I understand disliking a Liverpool player, but this is a silly complaint about a player at the heart of a CL win and a multiple long winning runs in the league. Liverpool are "wasteful at times with balls into the box" but also "it's worked a lot of times"?
And as for creating something, he is one of the few players in the England squad who can create something out of absolutely nothing. Yes he has his defensive flaws but they can be managed as Klopp showed for several years. Without players like him all we'll get is a predictable team who'll get knocked out against the first half-decent opposition. He's the only liverpool player I'd gladly have on our team.
The English media covering the Premier League has a really strong England bias. There's no two ways about it. The failure to see Trent's flaws, the lack of criticism of Grealish, the extreme overhyping of Declan Rice, the defense of Harry Maguire, etc.I noticed that myself.
For whatever reason the media really really want Trent to be world class. He just isn't.
Brentford were purposely leaving him in space in the second half yesterday, as they were confident on dealing with his 30 crosses from too far out.I rate him, can't deny his creative abilities when he is flying, but His defending is woeful can't get away with that anymore.
When they struggling like they are at the moment and with Trent constantly booting it into the box its as wasteful as you can get.
Reality was he wouldn't have made that world cup squad. So the world class talk very premature in my opinion.
He cant beat a player. If you put him in the front line he gets marked out of the game. As far as maximising his attacking strength goes full back is the right position.I think everyone in this thread would be more than happy to say that on form Trent's crossing is absolutely world class. However, he has no ability to defend. Zero.
He is an attacker, all of his output and best work comes from being in the final third. The question has to be then, why does he simply not just play him there? He clearly has no interest in defending or improving that aspect of the game and he's spoken out about how he plays the game, not the position as playing a position shackles him. So, play him front right and get an actual defender in at right back seems to me to be the obvious choice.
I can tell you with a great degree of certainty by now Fergie would have had him in some kind of Beckham-esque role. Without someone covering his defensive aspect no top team can have a defender who can't defend.
So with Elliot being a problem, would you play TAA in midfield as a short-term option?Yeah I’m not a fan of his either. Very limited player right now. Klopp has his favourites though.
I personally would move him forward and stick Ramsay or Gomez behind him. I want to see us try a 4-4-2 with TAA as a RM/RW and Salah up top with Nunez. Gakpo can play LW in that system and we can then rotate our limited midfield options as well.So with Elliot being a problem, would you play TAA in midfield as a short-term option?
When your crossing is that good you don't need pace to beat a player. Beckham made an entire career out of the RW position without needing to beat a man.He cant beat a player. If you put him in the front line he gets marked out of the game. As far as maximising his attacking strength goes full back is the right position.
I think that would have been a good solution recently.I want to see us try a 4-4-2 with TAA as a RM/RW and Salah up top with Nunez
I'd say beckham was quite limited by his inability to beat a player, it was the difference between him being a serious world class balon dor candidate and being a very good player. Thought Roberto Carlos had his number in games against Real Madrid, he sat off him and covered the cross, he was happy enough to let him throw in crosses from 30+ yards out because they were drastically less threatening. I think him remaining a right winger instead of a right forward when that became the more popular formation kind of showed this, the experiments with him in midfield being another example.When your crossing is that good you don't need pace to beat a player. Beckham made an entire career out of the RW position without needing to beat a man.
By his own horrific standards? Maybe.He was actually pretty good defensively last night.
Brentford were purposely leaving him in space in the second half yesterday, as they were confident on dealing with his 30 crosses from too far out.
He got one right, with the left foot from much closer in, but people act like his delivery is incredible, when really it's a pure numbers game.
He looked pretty good to me. Thought he was Liverpool’s best defender but I get it, it was a low bar.By his own horrific standards? Maybe.
In general? Nope.