Peter van der Gea
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Explains the mods...Undoubtedly, you see it in multiple industries.
Explains the mods...Undoubtedly, you see it in multiple industries.
So going on from this, she came back in yesterday. Assaulted other customers, assaulted members of the management team. Police were again called. She sat on the floor for an hour where they gave her the option of literally going home or going to jail.So at the pub i work at, next to it is something colloquially known as crack head corner. I'll let you work out why.
One of the ladies who frequent crackhead corner tried to enter my pub and was denied. She started to punch one of my bouncers, then proceeded to throw the wine she was drinking on said corner over myself and the bouncer.
Police were called, and it turns out she stole that bottle of wine from the Tesco's across the road half an earlier (shock).
The police arrive, take our details, speak to her for about 10/15 minutes, and let her go on her way. Within minutes she's back on the corner drinking her stolen wine.
Can anyone make that make sense? @TheReligion ?
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Literally no doubt that it's long overdue, whoever oversaw the inaction of letting the culture fester is also responsible for the next scandal of the low quality and inexperienced replacements..More than 1,000 Metropolitan Police officers are currently suspended or on restricted duties, the force has said, as it tries to root out rogue officers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66842521
Is it implied that those on restricted duties are only being counted if they are on those duties due to disciplinary/misconduct proceedings?Apparently there are around 34,000 met officers…so essentially 1/34 is a wrong’un. But but…I thought it was just a few bad apples?
And I’d also like to know the answer to it.Is it implied that those on restricted duties are only being counted if they are on those duties due to disciplinary/misconduct proceedings?
Ie. Not just restricted due to injury etc.?
Happens a lot with American forever, an absolute shambles from the Met that won’t get the publicity it deserves. Perfect example showing a lot of these people don’t do it for the communities they are meant to serve but for their own egos. Definition of a dereliction of duty.https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/armed-police-protest-after-chris-kaba-murder-charge/
One of the rare times one of their own get held accountable by the judiciary system for their unlawful actions and they react by throwing their toys out of the pram
A gangster (did 4 years for firearms offences, known member of a drill gang) going around doing gangster things (driving a car linked to gun crime, refusing to stop, ramming a police car) is hardly a black and white case of unlawful force.https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/armed-police-protest-after-chris-kaba-murder-charge/
One of the rare times one of their own get held accountable by the judiciary system for their unlawful actions and they react by throwing their toys out of the pram
I believe they were the ones who rammed his car to enclose him within theirs, no? In any case, he didn’t know it was a police car and they didn’t know who was in it…just executed him at point blank range then stole his Rolex watch to boot. Hope this helps.A gangster (did 4 years for firearms offences, known member of a drill gang) going around doing gangster things (driving a car linked to gun crime, refusing to stop, ramming a police car) is hardly a black and white case of unlawful force.
Multiple cars were chasing him and he refused to stop. There was even a helicopter ffs. When they boxed him in he rammed them and after ignoring orders to get out of the car I believe 8 times he was then shot.I believe they were the ones who rammed his car to enclose him within theirs, no? In any case, he didn’t know it was a police car and they didn’t know who was in it…just executed him at point blank range then stole his Rolex watch to boot. Hope this helps.
Where did you get helicopter? genuinely asking as I haven’t heard that being part of the situation? Also it was not a police pursuit per se, this was literally debunked last year not long after it happened. The cars, unbeknownst to him, following him were unmarked and had no lights or sirens.Multiple cars were chasing him and he refused to stop. There was even a helicopter ffs. When they boxed him in he rammed them and after ignoring orders to get out of the car I believe 8 times he was then shot.
Can you link me to this? As I read that it happened very differently so I’d like to read your source and get more informed.Multiple cars were chasing him and he refused to stop. There was even a helicopter ffs. When they boxed him in he rammed them and after ignoring orders to get out of the car I believe 8 times he was then shot.
The police said at the time the family may be allowed to see the helicopter footage of the shooting and witnesses all talked about it. You can also see from the aerial footage that marked cars boxed him in.Where did you get helicopter? genuinely asking as I haven’t heard that being part of the situation? Also it was not a police pursuit per se, this was literally debunked last year not long after it happened. The cars, unbeknownst to him, following him were unmarked and had no lights or sirens.
Proof again why minorities need to rethink their fandom of this club, haven’t been to OT since George Floyd & certainly don’t see that changing anytime soon.A gangster (did 4 years for firearms offences, known member of a drill gang) going around doing gangster things (driving a car linked to gun crime, refusing to stop, ramming a police car) is hardly a black and white case of unlawful force.
Not really sure what the Met Police has to do with Old Trafford?Proof again why minorities need to rethink their fandom of this club, haven’t been to OT since George Floyd & certainly don’t see that changing anytime soon.
The police’s job is not to execute ‘gangsters’. Funny you mention the case not being black & white cause it certainly seems so.
Not the Met police but the fans I’d be sharing the stadium with, not surprising that went over your head resulting in such a far from the mark response based on your posts in here.Not really sure what the Met Police has to do with Old Trafford?
I suspected it might have been an immature comment like that. Never mind then.Not the Met police but the fans I’d be sharing the stadium with, not surprising that went over your head resulting in such a far from the mark response based on your posts in here.
Get back to justifying police shooting ‘gangsters’ based on previous ‘gangster’ activity.
From the poster dropping gems such as these. . .I suspected it might have been an immature comment like that. Never mind then.
Never mind indeed. . .A gangster (did 4 years for firearms offences, known member of a drill gang) going around doing gangster things (driving a car linked to gun crime, refusing to stop, ramming a police car) is hardly a black and white case of unlawful force.
The opening police statement has been published online.This is an ongoing live court case. It shouldn’t really be getting discussed with these implications. What is astonishing is that between the Police, Crown prosecution service, Independent office for police conduct and the family of Chris Kaba there has been no inner linear details of the case released to the public yet people on the internet are able to decipher exactly what took place. The only bits of information released were by news outlets taken from unsubstantiated witnesses at the scene of which there were many contradictions.
Let the jury do their part….. and stop with the nonsense speculating.
Also I’m not a spokesperson for @11101 but implying anything he said as being racist or that he’s suggested police should assassinate gangsters is utterly bizarre.
I don’t mean that. That’s essentially just a statement of facts and is vague. I’m talking about the actual detail of events (evidence) where the jury can actually determine whether it was lawful force or murder. You can’t decipher that from that statement.The opening police statement has been published online.
You should know that in this forum anything that dares support police or the government means you might as well have pulled the trigger yourself.This is an ongoing live court case. It shouldn’t really be getting discussed with these implications. What is astonishing is that between the Police, Crown prosecution service, Independent office for police conduct and the family of Chris Kaba there has been no inner linear details of the case released to the public yet people on the internet are able to decipher exactly what took place. The only bits of information released were by news outlets taken from unsubstantiated witnesses at the scene of which there were many contradictions.
Let the jury do their part….. and stop with the nonsense speculating.
Also I’m not a spokesperson for @11101 but implying anything he said as being racist or that he’s suggested police should assassinate gangsters is utterly bizarre.
Well just maybe you should not try to ram your car into a group of people identifying themselves as armed police.Proof again why minorities need to rethink their fandom of this club, haven’t been to OT since George Floyd & certainly don’t see that changing anytime soon.
The police’s job is not to execute ‘gangsters’. Funny you mention the case not being black & white cause it certainly seems so.
You don’t need to trawl too deep into the internet to find multiple instances where ramming/assaulting police in the UK doesn’t end in a fatality but this is the General section on the Caf so the end justifies the means.Well just maybe you should not try to ram your car into a group of people identifying themselves as armed police.
I’m not a spokesperson for then goes on to speak for another poster so let’s discuss. . .Also I’m not a spokesperson for @11101 but implying anything he said as being racist or that he’s suggested police should assassinate gangsters is utterly bizarre.
A gangster. A rather deliberate descriptive, I’m going to give you the benefit of good faith & say we both know why the term ‘a man’, ‘a person’ etc. wasn’t used.A gangster (did 4 years for firearms offences, known member of a drill gang) going around doing gangster things (driving a car linked to gun crime, refusing to stop, ramming a police car) is hardly a black and white case of unlawful force.
You are now positioning yourself as a victim, the irony.You should know that in this forum anything that dares support police or the government means you might as well have pulled the trigger yourself.
Every altercation between an armed officer and a civilian does not always end in fatality nor has to.You should know that in this forum anything that dares support police or the government means you might as well have pulled the trigger yourself.
This is not the US, firearms officers are very highly trained. They have a difficult job to do in places like London
Quite. There were 18,000 firearms callouts last year in the UK. 4 shots were fired. That shows how restrained they really are.Every altercation between an armed officer and a civilian does not always end in fatality nor has to.
Also, no one was acting as if you might as well have pulled the trigger but as another poster has highlighted your language was very coded, and your reasons for seemingly justifying the shooting make no sense.
You don’t need to trawl too deep into the internet to find multiple instances where ramming/assaulting police in the UK doesn’t end in a fatality but this is the General section on the Caf so the end justifies the means.
Is ramming the police wrong? Yes.
Is pulling the trigger in what ends in a fatal shot based on nothing short of an overreaction wrong? Yes.
It’s genuinely perverse how any time something like this happens certain posters will fall over themselves to justify misconduct. If someone is performing criminal acts I want them locked up, should said acts be truly despicable throw away the key but saying ‘maybe you shouldn’t ram your car blah blah blah’ as if ramming the car into police in anyway justified what occurred is beyond callous.
I’m not a spokesperson for then goes on to speak for another poster so let’s discuss. . .
Who’s called him racist? Didn’t take long for that strawman to appear.
How do you read a post like below yet find a non-existent accusation of racism in a response. Let’s dissect.
A gangster. A rather deliberate descriptive, I’m going to give you the benefit of good faith & say we both know why the term ‘a man’, ‘a person’ etc. wasn’t used.
He served 4 years for firearms offences. Yet having been released would mean he’s served his time. How is this relevant to the shooting? It isn’t, it’s another red herring to subvert the issue.
Going around doing gangster things. What does that even mean?
Driving a car linked to gun crime but alas no gun in the car at the time. Should they arrest anyone that has a £20 note with cocaine residue on it with intention to supply. . .
Ramming a police car. Since when has that ever been a death sentence.
‘The police’s job is not to execute ‘gangsters’.’ really isn’t a trivial sentence. You finding an accusation of racism, that isn’t even made an issue yet nothing wrong with the post above is what is bizarre.
You are now positioning yourself as a victim, the irony.
No one is worried about you pulling a trigger, you’d be more of a danger to yourself.
A gangster (did 4 years for firearms offences, known member of a drill gang) going around doing gangster things (driving a car linked to gun crime, refusing to stop, ramming a police car) is hardly a black and white case of unlawful force.
Honestly I think you're barking up the wrong tree here with all of this. The reason I assumed a racial implication was because you said in response to his post that minorities should re think their fandom of the club and that you wouldn't go to Old Trafford. Why would minorities need to rethink their fandom of the club based on what he posted if you're not suggesting there were racial undertones to what he said ?Proof again why minorities need to rethink their fandom of this club, haven’t been to OT since George Floyd & certainly don’t see that changing anytime soon.
The police’s job is not to execute ‘gangsters’. Funny you mention the case not being black & white cause it certainly seems so.
Just quoting a few parts of your post.He served 4 years for firearms offences. Yet having been released would mean he’s served his time. How is this relevant to the shooting? It isn’t, it’s another red herring to subvert the issue.
Driving a car linked to gun crime but alas no gun in the car at the time. Should they arrest anyone that has a £20 note with cocaine residue on it with intention to supply. . .
Ramming a police car. Since when has that ever been a death sentence.
Can you repost the information you provided regarding police officers on restricted duties. It got deleted before I could properly read it.
What have George floyd and man united got in common?Proof again why minorities need to rethink their fandom of this club, haven’t been to OT since George Floyd & certainly don’t see that changing anytime soon.
The police’s job is not to execute ‘gangsters’. Funny you mention the case not being black & white cause it certainly seems so.
Don't really know enough about this case to comment but something about your post irked me. Reads like 'fecked about and found out' or the usual 'should have followed the police instructions'Just quoting a few parts of your post.
If the police know the guy who is driving the car has form for armed robbery of course that will influence how they will assess that risk, that is entirely reasonable.
Add that to the fact the car he was driving was linked to arms related offences in the recent past.
Guy completely didn’t listen to any sort of instruction from armed police. Rammed a police car.
There comes a point where in football parlance, you give the referee a decision to make.
I’m not saying this won’t end in a Conviction for the copper involved but based on what we know are facts it doesn’t seem unreasonable to me at this point.
Guess we’ll find out (or not).
Edit — if any of the above aren’t actually facts then will happily revisit my opinion