Completely missed the point.Yes, let's start hoping our players don't perform or achieve anything on the pitch, wouldn't want us to be too successful now would we?
Would I rather one of our players contributes 50+ goals over the coming seasons or doesn't? Gee, tough one that...But would you want him to become our all time top goalscorer? If you could choose.
Or, you know, sell him and bring someone better, more motivated, and who actually wants to be here, in. Gee, tough one that.Would I rather one of our players contributes 50+ goals over the coming seasons or doesn't? Gee, tough one that...
I'd love him if it helped us secure gold-a-plenty over next 2 year which included a PL and a CL.Surely no one actually wants him to become the all time top goalscorer now? Surely?!
Yes, records are just sentimental anyways. If he breaks the record, it would mean that he puts in good performances in present time. Hell, Luis Suarez could take over the all time scoring record at the club if it means that we have a player that puts in high-end performances over a longer periode of time, for the good of the club.But would you want him to become our all time top goalscorer? If you could choose.
A tad unrealistic perhaps, however i would certainly want him to have to earn his place back more than Rooney might feel appropriate.fecks sake, you're posts on this thread keep getting worse
Oh i don't know, his recent discussions with Moyes allowing the manager to respond to questions with "Yes Rooney wants to stay at Manchester United"?What is 'committing to the club'? He's under contract, there is nothing for him to do unless he fancies another war of words against Ferguson at the height of his popularity.
Ever since Rooney-Gate 1, I submitted to that FACT that players are less loyal to their clubs than us fans. As I fan, I want my club to win things. Its now a zero sum equation.Or, you know, sell him and bring someone better, more motivated, and who actually wants to be here, in. Gee, tough one that.
ffstake a seat then
He, this is just the thing, isn't it? He's got two years left on his contract, he had some kind of meeting with Fergie, in which they didn't see eye to eye, after which Fergie told him to take a breather, simmer down, something of the sort.What is 'committing to the club'? He's under contract, there is nothing for him to do unless he fancies another war of words against Ferguson at the height of his popularity.
Unrealistic and a tad stupid. IF Rooney stays then he has had assurances from Moyes about his role so there's no way he's going to be starting from the bench. And what exactly has Rooney done other than want to leave the club?? I think Rooney is a cnut myself, but this wasn't another 2010 and it doesn't appear to be about wages or anything like that. It's either him needing a new challenge or wanting assurances from the management about his role at the club. He's not the first big player and nor will he be the last one who's unhappy at being benched for big games.A tad unrealistic perhaps, however i would certainly want him to have to earn his place back more than Rooney might feel appropriate.
Him becoming the all time top goalscorer can only help United so if he stays then definitely it's something I'd want him to achieve.But would you want him to become our all time top goalscorer? If you could choose.
Why the hell not?Surely no one actually wants him to become the all time top goalscorer now? Surely?!
Personally I wouldn't care if Rooney left tbh but if he stays, I'll want him to score as much as possible, to play as well as possible. The club has to come first and foremost and Moyes wants to keep him then so be it.Another thing - if Moyes wants him to stay (and he has said as much), and Rooney decides to do so, his motivation isn't really an issue, now is it? Unless you believe that he is perma-unmotivated, that is - that being unmotivated and not being arsed is just the way he is, regardless of the circumstances.
There are rational arguments for selling him in this thread - but God knows there is plenty of rationalization for sheer, personal hatred as well.
He kept on repeating "Manchester United will not sell Rooney and that he is training well"I didn't see the press conference, what was Moyes response when they asked him "did Rooney ask for a transfer?"
Was he rocking back and forth?He kept on repeating "Manchester United will not sell Rooney and that he is training well"
Bassa_Mufc @Bassa_MufcWhat part of he's not going to be sold did you not understand?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3iYF4ZfwPbU#t=444sI didn't see the press conference, what was Moyes response when they asked him "did Rooney ask for a transfer?"
So we're willing to potentially harbor an unhappy player? Moyes said Rooney wouldn't be sold in 2004. What changes here? Your perspective could well be true. However, I just feel it hinges on how much Wayne wants to stay to be honest. We shall see though. For now, I'm not convinced until Wayne says something himself.Given that in this day and age, press and PR is as much about the truth as it is mind games and psycho babble ...
I could read it another way ... which is that Moyes position is that no matter what Rooney wants, he is under contract and not for sale, and he is delighted Rooney though seems motivated to get into top condition for start of the season
I like your style.Why the hell not?
If he scores enough goals to get that, we'll win things along the way.
How on earth is that bad.
There's some feckers with sand in their vaginas around here, Bestie ran away from the club when he should have been playing.
Twice.
Hes still a fecking legend.
That's true. And he might be sold. But the presser at least told us that Moyes doesn't want him to. He could have given 'em a standard phrase or two: "Rooney is a Manchester United player and we have no intention to sell him." He didn't, though. He answered by saying that, yes, he had indeed talked to Rooney and that he had been training well ("brilliant" was the exact word, I think) and looked in pristine shape for pre-season. Then he went on to talk about the goal scoring record, adding some comments about how long he had known the lad, etc. In short, if that was Moyes' version of "Our official policy is that he won't be sold, but in reality we have grown weary of the cnut and will take offers", then he is a greater actor than Fergie ever was.What Moyes wants from Rooney matters little if the player still wishes to leave. Hence, I would like to see a statement from Rooney that he wants to stay. Until then, I cannot believe the lad is staying. Numerous times clubs have said their player is not for sale. They sometimes over-exaggerate it yet the player is STILL sold.
Being manager of Everton and the manager of Manchester United are two different things no?Bassa_Mufc @Bassa_Mufc
Moyes in 2004: ''Rooney is not for sale'' result sold...Moyes 2013:''Rooney is not for sale''?
Does he really lack motivation? What makes you say that I think he is more disillusioned than lacking in motivation. You don't get to Rooney's level without being motivated also you see the hunger in his game how many players with that much of an offence live load drop back and work as hard as he does? Do you think Messi, Ronaldo, Van Persie etc would play in midfield? Messi demanded his false 9 spot and Mourinho said Ronaldo things he knows it all Rooney complaining is the norm for big players at clubs. Rooney is happy to do what it takes to help the team and play in what ever role he has been asked to his whole career saying he lacks motivation is off the mark for me.My biggest issue with Wazza is his lack of motivation, which is quite worrying, and is one of the biggest reasons why Ronaldo was better. One strives for perfection and loves the game, but the impression Rooney gives me is that he can't wait to retire and step away from the footballing world. He hates the spotlight, and he doesn't seem very motivated with his own training and fitness. If he wants to stay, not only does he need to make more noises about loving the club and his commitment, but he really needs to change his mentality back to the angry, aggressive, hungry 18 year old that we broke the British transfer record for.
Or maybe he'll prove us wrong and Vidic was telling the truth after all, he might actually be in amazing shape and will want to prove himself to the fans under a new coach.
I agree that point stands, but people talking about 2004 are off the mark that shuould not figure in this discussion.Point still stands that no sane manager would openly say their star player was for sale.
I think you can see the point he is making.Are the people bringing up a statement from Moyes in 2004 actually serious? jesus christ.
Practically, what Moyes has done is put Rooney's team in a corner assuming that Wayne Rooney wants to leave. The only one who will look bad is Rooney because him wanting to leave says, "I wish to longer continue my time at Manchester United. Topping Bobby Charlton's record isn't enough for me to stay blah blah blah".That's true. And he might be sold. But the presser at least told us that Moyes doesn't want him to. He could have given 'em a standard phrase or two: "Rooney is a Manchester United player and we have no intention to sell him." He didn't, though. He answered by saying that, yes, he had indeed talked to Rooney and that he had been training well ("brilliant" was the exact word, I think) and looked in pristine shape for pre-season. Then he went on to talk about the goal scoring record, adding some comments about how long he had known the lad, etc. In short, if that was Moyes' version of "Our official policy is that he won't be sold, but in reality we have grown weary of the cnut and will take offers", then he is a greater actor than Fergie ever was.
If he goes, then, it will be because he wants to - or, possibly, because he's about to make some unreasonable demands concerning a contract extension.