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Don't wait - just rejoice when it happens.
Yep, we were crying out for a player like Herrera today. Schneiderlin and Carrick are fairly similar players. We needed someone to take a chance from midfield and those 2 seemed reluctant to either get forward or take a chance.
When was the last time he was 'in form'?
Seriously, his last truly great season was 5 years ago.
He's not that player anymore - by in form i simply mean scoring more goals.
Did anybody else see this? 
A player capable of a great season? Surely we can do better then that then?
Even if he starts scoring some goals, that won't mask the major deficiencies in his all round game these days. He's just not a very good player anymore. He looks like a 35 year old, who's past his peak. He might put in the odd good game, maybe even great, but he's going to put in great performances week in week out. He just doesn't have the legs for it anymore. 13 years of top flight football have taken their toll.
He's been average to poor for the last few years but his goals have covered it up. He's always had good stats in terms of goals and assists at the end of a season.
Now he doesn't even offer that. He can't even paper over the cracks anymore.
Now he doesn't even offer that. He can't even paper over the cracks anymore.
wonder if Herrera will get the same next time he puts in a similar performanceDid anybody else see this?
Did anybody else see this?
Van Gaal's undroppable man-child.
He's ours for at least the rest of this year so we should get used to it. And who knows, he may start knocking in goals and to quiet the persistent moaning around here.
So we should just accept his sub standard performances because we're stuck with him?
And its going to take a lot more then knocking in a few goals to turn things around. Being able to actually control the ball without taking about 7 touches would be a good start.
And we have every right to moan. He's our highest paid player, and captain, who has a seemingly divine right to start every game he's fit for, and yet he's been awful all season (bar one 90 minutes against Brugge). Its not good enough, and we have every right to point that out.
Pretty much yes. Complaining in here accomplishes feck all. He'll still be here tomorrow, so best to get behind him and hope for the best.
During the rest of his career if he plays until he's 40 maybe.
How about this... can you name worse player in our team right now? Even the likes of Pereira and other youth players would do better than this. He's maybe the most overrated player in English history. It's proly because his fall was so steep, nobody just expects world class talent like him to decline so quickly.
Like someone said he's our Gerrard, need to get rid of him asap, wouldn't care having him as a squad player but his name and ego is too big to play second or third fiddle which is what he deserves not only recently but for years...
Like someone said he's our Gerrard, need to get rid of him asap, wouldn't care having him as a squad player but his name and ego is too big to play second or third fiddle which is what he deserves not only recently but for years...
Say what you want about Mourinho, but he had the balls to drop his Captain/Leader/Legend John Terry as he was abysmal. LvG should have the balls to do the same now.
We need an Arab or Chinese billionaire to take one for the team.
Might as well all pack up and go home then if we're just supposed to accept his performances. Surely the whole point of the forum is do discuss them?
Might as well all pack up and go home then if we're just supposed to accept his performances. Surely the whole point of the forum is do discuss them?
No one is saying you can't discuss them. But don't expect discussions about replacing him to be anything more than discussions. He isn't going anywhere.
I see the solution as getting Rooney to play at a higher level, which he can and once he does, it will unlock the gates of a lot more attacking options involving Memphis and Martial as well
He's past it. He can't even sprint that fast anymore, and his passing is too limited to play a passing role a la Carrick and Schweini. His strength is gone too. Tbh, he's a shell of his former self, and it's just reminiscent of Gerrard of the last few seasons at L'pool.
We don't need the sprinting, we just need him to be a bit more audacious and score a few more goals. He has plenty of pace surroudning him to get it done.
I thought his finishing, intelligence, unselfishness and experience would be enough for him to have a productive season as a 9 this year. Surprised how poor he's been and how awful he looks out there.
At the moment, it's just wrong to start him as a 9 over Martial, as a 10 over Herrera or even over Young, who could play out wide with Mata as the 10.
At the moment, it's just wrong to start him as a 9 over Martial, as a 10 over Herrera or even over Young, who could play out wide with Mata as the 10.
So we don't need him to sprint as he has pace around him? So when the pacey players are in position to lay it off to him are they going to just wait for him to jog in position? It will
Be a bloody long wait on days like today where our talismanic
Number ten is deeper than schweinsteiger.
Neither is this team if he continues to be a main part of it beyond this season, he's a hindrance more than a help at this point, no pace, no skill, one offensive pass in his range and he's also lost his power which was a key asset of his.
The answer is obviously not to bench him as that will neither improve his contribution or confidence. He needs to stay fit and build on his hat trick performance from a few weeks ago and kick on.
He's shown absolutely no sign of doing that, the game directly after that hat-trick he was awful because he was up against top opposition in Swansea, not a Championship level team like Brugge. He'll continue to play but in truth as much as I am not a fan of Fellaini and am not sold on Herrera as a #10, him playing over them week after week when he hasn't had a decent league game this season is not good, the team is bigger than one player no matter how much money he is on and his undroppable status is not a way to keep the team morale up.
He'll be fine. Once he knocks one or two league goals in more will come, and things will go quiet in here. Happens every time a player loses then recovers form.
The inevitable decline for a player with his mileage and early start age wise has begun and the only way is down unfortunately.
Agree.
I don't think so, it's not about confidence, it's exactly what we saw with RvP, he is simply past his best and doesn't have enough assets at this point to make it worth the price we pay to have him in the team, neither on the pitch or financially.
Yep, agreed. I think this may be Wayne's final year here. The search for a club to take him will probably start in early 2016, at which point it will just be a matter of selling him for peanuts to offset the buying club taking on his wages.
RvP was also on the decline, but moving him on also had a lot to do with reducing the wage bill, along with the likes of Falcao and Nani.
The real issue is people still think he is a very good player. Replace is with was and the riddle is solved.
It's like asking why a 40 years old giggs can't run down the left channel anymore.
He's finished at top level. Fact the reality. A 38 years old teddy sheringham can have a good goal and score 1-2 goals, even macheda did that. But week in week out this will be the rooney you'd see. Before its the evil rooney playing bad, now its the good roonet that plays bad and the evil rooney is very far in between
It's like asking why a 40 years old giggs can't run down the left channel anymore.
He's finished at top level. Fact the reality. A 38 years old teddy sheringham can have a good goal and score 1-2 goals, even macheda did that. But week in week out this will be the rooney you'd see. Before its the evil rooney playing bad, now its the good roonet that plays bad and the evil rooney is very far in between
We could reduce the wage bill by moving Rooney on as well and getting in young, hungry talent that is ready to step into their best years.
I'm sure we will, but it won't happen until next summer, which makes the endless complaining about him even less meaningful.
Of course we wont be able to do it until next summer but I am not sure what you are expecting, it's a message board and this is Rooney's performance thread, his performances are shite but he never gets dropped or taken off and he's paid an obscene amount of money for the privilege of making our team worse, I think it's only logical that fans vent their frustration in the correct thread for it.
Agreed, just as much as its logical for those who are tired of hearing about it to vent their frustration as well.
Think he'll end up at Everton myself and it would be a nice way to end the cycle imo.
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