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[Jericholyte2]

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Say what you want about the likes of James O’Brien, but he (as an example) has been battling against these malignant lobby groups for years.

The likes of the Institute for Economic Affairs that are essentially shell PACs for Conservative interests and should be branded what they really are, rather than being given continued air-time on the likes of the BBC.

 

[Maticmaker]

well you have been called hopeless before today, that's true.

True, I give up hope on Labour years ago, it cares more about being part of the international socialist brethren than it does about taking charge in the UK. It lost Scotland, then the red wall voters, now up against a hard faced 'me first' Government who is going to milk the country, it can do nothing, except keep on moaning about how the Tories stole its ideas on a windfall tax on energy... I am sure that' all those who are about to suffer devastating changes in their lives over the next few years, will salute them...!!

Oh, wait... just heard about Angela Rayner's call for an overhaul of procurement, no details yet, but it is sounding more hopeful... go get them Angela, but don't just 'kick their shins', but tell us how Labour will reform the process, will ensure those who mess up, (including civil servants) get the boot, how Labour will do it better and what benefits that will have for their people... a 'silver lining'...maybe?

 

[Jippy]

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[golden_blunder]

Feels like the last gasp attempt to siphon more money to vested interests before they are turfed out into the political wilderness for a decade.

• Massive energy company profits - who do they all take money from / used to work for / will go to work for?
• Make sure anyone earning over £150k per annum gets a tax break to the tune of £10k-£20k per annum
• Uncapping banker's bonuses for their mates and former colleagues in the city.

It's obvious, transparent, and disgusting. They know a monster recession is coming which they hope they can hide by bumping GDP and letting the city perform well, hiding the massive reduction in national living standards by pointing at some arbitrary numbers that show "the country is booming" while services, and standards all dip and people die.

That's not hyperbole, people will continue to die in record numbers in this country due to these soulless corrupt ghouls. I truly hope they all catch horrible illnesses and have to suffer the indignity of those in A&E hallways. feck them all.

Example, I got a text from my GP two days ago telling me there was a message at reception, spent 90 minutes, yes 90 mins, waiting to get through. I get through and they tell me the message is to book an appointment with reception. Ask the receptionist if I can book an appointment - "erm, no appointments until 17th October...."

Luckily I am only waiting for guidance on some meds, so I go into the surgery the next day and queue for forty mins to just ask them to prescribe the meds anyway without advice. An old woman behind me collapses in the queue. The woman says she will ask my doctor to call me. The doctor texts me verbatim "I've sent the meds to your usual pharmacy...." on a number I can't reply to. The kicker - I've never been prescribed meds by this surgery so have no clue which pharmacy of the five in my town has them.

The system is broken and they are all laughing at you. Laughing. Kwasi Kwarteng got coked up and went to the Queen's funeral so he can give epic bants in whatsapp groups and all laugh at our expense. You have 20-something MP's under investigation for SA. There is cocaine on every surface in Westminster. They partied while we were locked down. They gave their mates billions of your money for PPE that our nurses couldn't use.

At what point do we drag them out of office by their hair and put them on show trials?

I am so angry.

If I could give you a second like for this post I would

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

If I could give you a second like for this post I would

The anger hasn't subsided, it's even worse.

Especially given Kwasi's previous employer, Crispin Odey's fund is doing *VERY* well betting against the UK currently while his ex-colleague is tanking the economy.

At some point, enough will be enough.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Feels like the last gasp attempt to siphon more money to vested interests before they are turfed out into the political wilderness for a decade.

• Massive energy company profits - who do they all take money from / used to work for / will go to work for?
• Make sure anyone earning over £150k per annum gets a tax break to the tune of £10k-£20k per annum
• Uncapping banker's bonuses for their mates and former colleagues in the city.

It's obvious, transparent, and disgusting. They know a monster recession is coming which they hope they can hide by bumping GDP and letting the city perform well, hiding the massive reduction in national living standards by pointing at some arbitrary numbers that show "the country is booming" while services, and standards all dip and people die.

That's not hyperbole, people will continue to die in record numbers in this country due to these soulless corrupt ghouls. I truly hope they all catch horrible illnesses and have to suffer the indignity of those in A&E hallways. feck them all.

Example, I got a text from my GP two days ago telling me there was a message at reception, spent 90 minutes, yes 90 mins, waiting to get through. I get through and they tell me the message is to book an appointment with reception. Ask the receptionist if I can book an appointment - "erm, no appointments until 17th October...."

Luckily I am only waiting for guidance on some meds, so I go into the surgery the next day and queue for forty mins to just ask them to prescribe the meds anyway without advice. An old woman behind me collapses in the queue. The woman says she will ask my doctor to call me. The doctor texts me verbatim "I've sent the meds to your usual pharmacy...." on a number I can't reply to. The kicker - I've never been prescribed meds by this surgery so have no clue which pharmacy of the five in my town has them.

The system is broken and they are all laughing at you. Laughing. Kwasi Kwarteng got coked up and went to the Queen's funeral so he can give epic bants in whatsapp groups and all laugh at our expense. You have 20-something MP's under investigation for SA. There is cocaine on every surface in Westminster. They partied while we were locked down. They gave their mates billions of your money for PPE that our nurses couldn't use.

At what point do we drag them out of office by their hair and put them on show trials?

I am so angry.

Really well said.

 

[RedSky]

Feels like the last gasp attempt to siphon more money to vested interests before they are turfed out into the political wilderness for a decade.

• Massive energy company profits - who do they all take money from / used to work for / will go to work for?
• Make sure anyone earning over £150k per annum gets a tax break to the tune of £10k-£20k per annum
• Uncapping banker's bonuses for their mates and former colleagues in the city.

It's obvious, transparent, and disgusting. They know a monster recession is coming which they hope they can hide by bumping GDP and letting the city perform well, hiding the massive reduction in national living standards by pointing at some arbitrary numbers that show "the country is booming" while services, and standards all dip and people die.

That's not hyperbole, people will continue to die in record numbers in this country due to these soulless corrupt ghouls. I truly hope they all catch horrible illnesses and have to suffer the indignity of those in A&E hallways. feck them all.

Example, I got a text from my GP two days ago telling me there was a message at reception, spent 90 minutes, yes 90 mins, waiting to get through. I get through and they tell me the message is to book an appointment with reception. Ask the receptionist if I can book an appointment - "erm, no appointments until 17th October...."

Luckily I am only waiting for guidance on some meds, so I go into the surgery the next day and queue for forty mins to just ask them to prescribe the meds anyway without advice. An old woman behind me collapses in the queue. The woman says she will ask my doctor to call me. The doctor texts me verbatim "I've sent the meds to your usual pharmacy...." on a number I can't reply to. The kicker - I've never been prescribed meds by this surgery so have no clue which pharmacy of the five in my town has them.

The system is broken and they are all laughing at you. Laughing. Kwasi Kwarteng got coked up and went to the Queen's funeral so he can give epic bants in whatsapp groups and all laugh at our expense. You have 20-something MP's under investigation for SA. There is cocaine on every surface in Westminster. They partied while we were locked down. They gave their mates billions of your money for PPE that our nurses couldn't use.

At what point do we drag them out of office by their hair and put them on show trials?

I am so angry.

I've been shouting at the bold point in particular since Brexit. Corrupt politicians should be put on trial and given strict sentencing. How can these wankers survive multiple scandals with just a simple eye roll and a wagging of the finger when they're giving billions of pounds directly to their pals. They're criminals stealing from the public.

 

[golden_blunder]

Wouldn’t listen to Summers tbh. The policy the tories have put forward today have by supported in the past by Summers.

Which is why it means more coming from him now

 

[Fergies Gum]

She does not have a mandate, which could actually be her excuse to call an early election. It would be a huge gamble but it would pre-empt any brewing revolt among her own MPs and give her a chance to ask for 'backing from the nation' before the full shitshow emerges. She'll have to be bloody quick in that case, and I doubt she's got the brains to think it all through, but someone might. Kwateng is a wanker but he's not an idiot.

Have you not seen the footage of him at the Queen's funeral all doped up?

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

Have you not seen the footage of him at the Queen's funeral all doped up?

Same as George Osbourne in the commons. Completely off their heads.


As part of the job, you should be drugs tested every month.

 

[Jericholyte2]

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[horsechoker]

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If the police stop murdering people that'll probably be about 20 per cent

 

[FireballXL5]

How can we give more public money to our pals? I know...

One in six UK public procurement contracts had tax haven link, study finds

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ment-contracts-had-tax-haven-link-study-finds

 

[Smores]

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I'm sure the order will be to cut reported crime numbers which is obviously very different. Apply enough pressure and suddenly they'll find ways to underreport.

 

[Frosty]

I'm sure the order will be to cut reported crime numbers which is obviously very different. Apply enough pressure and suddenly they'll find ways to underreport.

I bet Braverman is well pleased she has found a way to reduce crime previous Home Secretaries missed.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Feels like the last gasp attempt to siphon more money to vested interests before they are turfed out into the political wilderness for a decade.

• Massive energy company profits - who do they all take money from / used to work for / will go to work for?
• Make sure anyone earning over £150k per annum gets a tax break to the tune of £10k-£20k per annum
• Uncapping banker's bonuses for their mates and former colleagues in the city.

It's obvious, transparent, and disgusting. They know a monster recession is coming which they hope they can hide by bumping GDP and letting the city perform well, hiding the massive reduction in national living standards by pointing at some arbitrary numbers that show "the country is booming" while services, and standards all dip and people die.

That's not hyperbole, people will continue to die in record numbers in this country due to these soulless corrupt ghouls. I truly hope they all catch horrible illnesses and have to suffer the indignity of those in A&E hallways. feck them all.

Example, I got a text from my GP two days ago telling me there was a message at reception, spent 90 minutes, yes 90 mins, waiting to get through. I get through and they tell me the message is to book an appointment with reception. Ask the receptionist if I can book an appointment - "erm, no appointments until 17th October...."

Luckily I am only waiting for guidance on some meds, so I go into the surgery the next day and queue for forty mins to just ask them to prescribe the meds anyway without advice. An old woman behind me collapses in the queue. The woman says she will ask my doctor to call me. The doctor texts me verbatim "I've sent the meds to your usual pharmacy...." on a number I can't reply to. The kicker - I've never been prescribed meds by this surgery so have no clue which pharmacy of the five in my town has them.

The system is broken and they are all laughing at you. Laughing. Kwasi Kwarteng got coked up and went to the Queen's funeral so he can give epic bants in whatsapp groups and all laugh at our expense. You have 20-something MP's under investigation for SA. There is cocaine on every surface in Westminster. They partied while we were locked down. They gave their mates billions of your money for PPE that our nurses couldn't use.

At what point do we drag them out of office by their hair and put them on show trials?

I am so angry.

Totally agree. It's so obvious even the Tory voters earning less than £150k per year must see it.

Tory plan to get debt from 60% of GDP in 2010 to over 100% of GDP in 2023 is on track. Then after they have siphoned of all the countries money by increasing national debt, with zero assets to show for it, the can leave Labour to be in charge while the country tanks for the next decade.

But hey, "at least it's not Corbyn", some imbeciles in this country.

 

[Frosty]

Totally agree. It's so obvious even the Tory voters earning less than £150k per year must see it.

Tory plan to get debt from 60% of GDP in 2010 to over 100% of GDP in 2023 is on track. Then after they have siphoned of all the countries money by increasing national debt, with zero assets to show for it, the can leave Labour to be in charge while the country tanks for the next decade.

But hey, "at least it's not Corbyn", some imbeciles in this country.

It may be an obvious point to add, but people will need a coherent plan and vision from the opposition parties to get them to vote the Tories out. Two years out from an election and what's the alternative?

 

[Fluctuation0161]

If this weren't my country, it would make for a fascinating social and economic experiment. Basically in two years time, we either have amazing growth, or the entire ultra low tax Tory school of thought is destroyed for a generation.

We've had the same experiment since 2010 mate, we all know it measurably does not work.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

It may be an obvious point to add, but people will need a coherent plan and vision from the opposition parties to get them to vote the Tories out. Two years out from an election and what's the alternative?

There isn't one. I certainly couldn't bring myself to vote for Starmer. But I think Labour will win the next election by default and over the next decade be blamed for the economic misery caused by 12 years of Tory debt.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

“This must change. Initiatives on diversity and inclusion should not take precedence over common-sense policing.”

They really are going to go for the mouth breathing anti-woke market at the next election aren't they?

They fecking will, you know they will. What's to blame for you being unable to pay your bills whilst the elite (which the Tories are a part of, ho hum) make even larger wads of cash? The gays and the muslims in that one Tesco Christmas advert.

Grandma died in a hospital corridor? Ariel is now a black girl. Former government ministers are pocketing huge consultancy fees from companies that directly benefitted from policies they implemented when it office? Schools are telling girls they can be boys.

It'll fecking work as well because people are fecking idiots.

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

The anger hasn't subsided, it's even worse.

Especially given Kwasi's previous employer, Crispin Odey's fund is doing *VERY* well betting against the UK currently while his ex-colleague is tanking the economy.

At some point, enough will be enough.

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[Frosty]

They really are going to go for the mouth breathing anti-woke market at the next election aren't they?

They fecking will, you know they will. What's to blame for you being unable to pay your bills whilst the elite (which the Tories are a part of, ho hum) make even larger wads of cash? The gays and the muslims in that one Tesco Christmas advert.

Grandma died in a hospital corridor? Ariel is now a black girl. Former government ministers are pocketing huge consultancy fees from companies that directly benefitted from policies they implemented when it office? Schools are telling girls they can be boys.

It'll fecking work as well because people are fecking idiots.

It is up to Labour to do their job and ensure that the campaign doesn't focus on how the trans community and Black Lives Matter are ruining Britain. The danger of Labour being passive and thinking they can win the next election because Truss is useless is that the Tories will define the terms of the campaign.

What do we have instead? Rachel Reeves saying she is uncomfortable with pronouns. That makes sense. Let's have a Shadow Chancellor that doesn't use pronouns in speeches.

 

[largelyworried]

We've had the same experiment since 2010 mate, we all know it measurably does not work.

This isn't anything like the previous eras in terms of policy.

 

[calodo2003]

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This sounds untenable. The police will simply under-report.

e - what Smores said.

 

[Jericholyte2]

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@Maticmaker you still not voting Labour cause they’re too interested in being in the ‘international socialist brethren’?

 

[Klopper76]

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@TheReligion thoughts?

 

[TheReligion]

@TheReligion thoughts?

Didn’t even realise she was the new home sec. Not the brightest star in sky from memory? Doubt she will last.

 

[Klopper76]

Didn’t even realise she was the new home sec. Not the brightest star in sky from memory? Doubt she will last.

Do you think her targets are realistic given the current shortage of police officers (you’d probably know more about what it’s like currently)?

 

[Fluctuation0161]

This isn't anything like the previous eras in terms of policy.

Similar to George Osbourne policy but on steroids. It was Osbourne who reduced the top rate of tax from 50pc to 45pc.

It is austerity for the poor and borrowing to fund tax cuts for the rich.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...hy-create-32bn-headache-resolution-foundation

 

[Jericholyte2]

Privatised debt & nationalised wealth preservation.

 

[largelyworried]

Similar to George Osbourne policy but on steroids. It was Osbourne who reduced the top rate of tax from 50pc to 45pc.

It is austerity for the poor and borrowing to fund tax cuts for the rich.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...hy-create-32bn-headache-resolution-foundation

Income tax is not the only tax though. It fell under Osborne but it was offset by increased taxes on goods and services which meant that net taxation under Tories 2010 to 2015 basically stayed consistent with what it had been under Labour. I agree there was a regressive shift overall but that doesn't mean it's the same as what Kwarteng is doing now.

What Osborne did was maintain tax levels while shrinking public spending in order to shrink the deficit. (Or at least that was the plan, it didn't work)

What Kwarteng is proposing is shrinking taxation, increasing public spending and just letting the deficit balloon indefinitely.

Those two things are categorically different. They may both be regressive but they reach that point in two very different ways.

 

[Pexbo]

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Tory bitch has got quite a line up tomorrow, I’ll grant her that.

 

[TheReligion]

Do you think her targets are realistic given the current shortage of police officers (you’d probably know more about what it’s like currently)?

I’ve not seen everything she’s said if I’m honest but the 20% murder reduction is clear headline chasing due to little Olivia I imagine.

It’s an odd crime type to mention for me in terms of targets as murders are usually a result of something else e.g in Olivia’s case organised crime or you may have a domestic related murder. For me you’d go after the root causes but in doing that the government would have to acknowledge not only under funding the police service but other agencies which are equally important within communities in terms of diversion, support and prevention.

Policing numbers are appalling though and it seems most of the public have only really caught on following The Queens death and the cancellation of football.

 

[Frosty]

If you’re a Tory MP elected in or before 2015 your head must be spinning today. In the last seven years you’ve had to argue for compassionate conservatism, austerity, getting rid of green crap, net zero, tackling burning injustices, cutting Universal Credit, industrial strategy…

...abandoning industrial strategy, levelling up, abandoning levelling up, fracking, not fracking, fracking, no more onshore wind farms, lots more wind farms, opposing an energy price cap, supporting an energy price cap, opposing a windfall tax...

… supporting a windfall tax, opposing a higher windfall tax, a smaller state, a bigger state, a smaller state, balanced budgets, huge state spending, fiscal responsibility, massive borrowing, higher taxes, cutting taxes. Do Tory MPs actually believe in anything?

From @michaelujacobs on Twitter

Cannot quote the tweets directly.

 

[Rado_N]

Do Tory MPs actually believe in anything?

Profit.

 

[Frosty]

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Tory bitch has got quite a line up tomorrow, I’ll grant her that.

This is the actual headline of Kuenssberg's article on the BBC:

Starmer's task is to soothe nerves and grow the economy

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63020539

 

[Frosty]

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[Flying high]

If you’re a Tory MP elected in or before 2015 your head must be spinning today. In the last seven years you’ve had to argue for compassionate conservatism, austerity, getting rid of green crap, net zero, tackling burning injustices, cutting Universal Credit, industrial strategy…

...abandoning industrial strategy, levelling up, abandoning levelling up, fracking, not fracking, fracking, no more onshore wind farms, lots more wind farms, opposing an energy price cap, supporting an energy price cap, opposing a windfall tax...

… supporting a windfall tax, opposing a higher windfall tax, a smaller state, a bigger state, a smaller state, balanced budgets, huge state spending, fiscal responsibility, massive borrowing, higher taxes, cutting taxes. Do Tory MPs actually believe in anything?

From @michaelujacobs on Twitter

Cannot quote the tweets directly.

I think most of them spent their schooling in debating clubs playing defend the indefensible.

It's a skill for sure. Most people would crack up laughing half way through. It takes a certain type, I guess.

 

[Eyepopper]

Do Tory MPs actually believe in anything?

Maybe someone could document what Liz Truss' & Kwasi Kwateng net worth was in 2019 and let's come back in like 5 years and we'll do a comparison.

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

Maybe someone could document what Liz Truss' & Kwasi Kwateng net worth was in 2019 and let's come back in like 5 years and we'll do a comparison.

Been saying this for a while, if your net worth increases too much, you're sacked