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What an utter clown. Stuff like this should be a resigning matter but it’s just another one to forget about in a week’s time in today’s milieu.
Politicians ain’t what they used to be, the idea of resigning is foreign these days.
 

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Remember watching this at the time, harrowing to see the real-world costs of such callousness now. We’re governed by criminals.
 

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I think the calculation is that the climb downs are generally to positions with public support - boris is a populist - hes trying to be a populist - i dont think he has many convictions beyond hard brexit (which is one policy they have showed no sign of backing down on so far)
There is no doubt Boris is a populist, but I rather have a Government that changes its mind/course of actions when its realizes its necessary.

We have had too many Governments (in my life time) that have refused to change direction even when its clear they are going the wrong way. This has cost the country dearly in lives and money and wasted opportunities. Boris will be judged on his policy outcomes not on the day to day 'tacking' or alterations made to follow a previously unknown and ever changing course of action.

The Covid pandemic has reached into many areas that no one would have thought possible, not just health issues, social matters, education, economics and of course politics. There will be more after-shocks to come before things settle down and in politics we are likely to see many examples of 'strange-bedfellows' emerging.
 

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They should just start by getting everyone vaccinated for flu this winter. Last thing we need is a double whammy of flu and covid flying around
 

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There is no doubt Boris is a populist, but I rather have a Government that changes its mind/course of actions when its realizes its necessary.

We have had too many Governments (in my life time) that have refused to change direction even when its clear they are going the wrong way. This has cost the country dearly in lives and money and wasted opportunities. Boris will be judged on his policy outcomes not on the day to day 'tacking' or alterations made to follow a previously unknown and ever changing course of action.

The Covid pandemic has reached into many areas that no one would have thought possible, not just health issues, social matters, education, economics and of course politics. There will be more after-shocks to come before things settle down and in politics we are likely to see many examples of 'strange-bedfellows' emerging.
There is nothing wrong with a government that is prepared to reconsider the odd decision.
But there is a fundamental problem with a government that makes so many utterly stupid decisions that it is continually having to make not just a minor correction. But in so many cases a complete 180 U turn.
It smacks of muddled thinking, or making decisions 'on the hoof' without the proper checks and balances. And it totally undermines the public confidence such that large numbers of people get so confused, they ignore the important messages.
 

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They should just start by getting everyone vaccinated for flu this winter. Last thing we need is a double whammy of flu and covid flying around
The flu vaccine has limited effectiveness. Take 2017/18 as an example it averaged 15% effectiveness across all age groups. Obviously that varies year on year. But even at the top level of effectiveness it will not prevent a "double whammy".

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/flu-vaccine-effectiveness-in-2017-to-2018-season
 

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There is nothing wrong with a government that is prepared to reconsider the odd decision.
But there is a fundamental problem with a government that makes so many utterly stupid decisions that it is continually having to make not just a minor correction. But in so many cases a complete 180 U turn.
It smacks of muddled thinking, or making decisions 'on the hoof' without the proper checks and balances. And it totally undermines the public confidence such that large numbers of people get so confused, they ignore the important messages.
Especially when they has been given plenty of feedback from teachers prior to the school U turn. Local councils in Greater Manchester prior to easing lockdown U turn etc.

They are tone deaf and making silly mistakes. Primarily because they don't really care as they have a large majority. No need to feign interest in public opinion anymore. Just blame the EU and migrants for any problems and move on.
 

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There is nothing wrong with a government that is prepared to reconsider the odd decision.
But there is a fundamental problem with a government that makes so many utterly stupid decisions that it is continually having to make not just a minor correction. But in so many cases a complete 180 U turn.
It smacks of muddled thinking, or making decisions 'on the hoof' without the proper checks and balances. And it totally undermines the public confidence such that large numbers of people get so confused, they ignore the important messages.
Normally I would agree with you but the Covid thing is throwing up so many different 'events'* that it means the government is always riding a transient wave at an unknown amplitude and frequency and as yet no steady state in sight. There are supposedly trying to follow the science, but then is it health or economic science? It certainly not political science that's for sure.

* always recall Harold Macmillan when asked why he couldn't complete something and why he seemed to change his mind, his reply was " events dear boy, events"!
 

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Normally I would agree with you but the Covid thing is throwing up so many different 'events'* that it means the government is always riding a transient wave at an unknown amplitude and frequency and as yet no steady state in sight. There are supposedly trying to follow the science, but then is it health or economic science? It certainly not political science that's for sure.

* always recall Harold Macmillan when asked why he couldn't complete something and why he seemed to change his mind, his reply was " events dear boy, events"!
And if it is the result of events, then it is understandable.
But in many of the cases, it is not simply the result of an unforeseen event. It is primarily the result of incoherent and muddled thinking. With not enough forethought or in-depth analysis.
 

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On another note, how long before people will be outside protesting against the Guardian
 

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If it had just been the Guardian or Observer that were prevented from being delivered, you wouldn't have heard a peep out of Priti fecking Patel
 

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They should be grateful that they onlynstopped them printing for a day rather than putting a bullet in their head

Extinction Rebellion co-founder, Roger Hallam, preaching “you should put a bullet in [the] head” of those who are responsible for harming the environment. Adding, “or rather someone will”.

According to the group’s founder – and despite being an anarchist group without a formal leader remains at the top of their hierarchy – those who deserve a bullet in their head include those who: “run society, run big business, run governments, run the elites
 

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They should be grateful that they onlynstopped them printing for a day rather than putting a bullet in their head
Who wrote that, because it shows a hilarious political illiteracy to talk of an anarchist hierarchy.
 

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Who wrote that, because it shows a hilarious political illiteracy to talk of an anarchist hierarchy.
I would have thought that a man whose previous comments on the holocaust had caused the heiracty of xr Germany
To distance them selves from him
And the heiracht of xr uk were forced to issue a statement saying
XR UK said the climate movement "must be safe for Jews, and for all marginalised peoples and religious groups".

Separately, an XR spokesman said: "Jewish people and many others are deeply wounded by the comments...

"Internal conversations have begun with the XR Conflict team about how to manage the conflict process that will address this issue. We stand by restorative outcomes as preferable, although in some cases exclusion is necessary."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-50501941

Now skipping the fact that both organisations having spokespeople and indeed even a conflict team it would seem to imply a certain level or organisation and heirachy.

But having to come out against one of the founders does show his views on the holocaust were an issue... and this same person is now saying there should be a bullet to the head of those people who "run the elites" ... who could he be referring to beyond the antisemitic tropes?

I would have thought that was a bigger issue than how an article was written... nevermind you will have another opportunity to denounce antisemitism when the ehrc report is published (presumably in the next couple of weeks?)
 

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I would have thought that a man whose previous comments on the holocaust had caused the heiracty of xr Germany
To distance them selves from him
And the heiracht of xr uk were forced to issue a statement saying

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-50501941

Now skipping the fact that both organisations having spokespeople and indeed even a conflict team it would seem to imply a certain level or organisation and heirachy.

But having to come out against one of the founders does show his views on the holocaust were an issue... and this same person is now saying there should be a bullet to the head of those people who "run the elites" ... who could he be referring to beyond the antisemitic tropes?

I would have thought that was a bigger issue than how an article was written... nevermind you will have another opportunity to denounce antisemitism when the ehrc report is published (presumably in the next couple of weeks?)
I don't think XR count as an anarchist group. It's a decentralised, loose coalition of groups, some more hierarchical than others. But it speaks to the intellectual credibility of Guido that they can call a group anarchist and in the same breath talk about its hierarchy. It's like criticising the sharpness of the corners on a circle.

I have issues with XR, although not the same ones you do. They have done some outstanding graphic design work though.
 

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So Priti and Boris release statements condemning protesters blocking the Sun but nothing on their far right chums closing down Dover.
 

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Only half a page up we have tweets about Tory MP’s demanding the BBC stop taking the piss out of them in comedy shows. And that Panorama shouldn’t be doing things like exposing government incompetence on PPE.

24 hours later, Tory MP’s moaning about blocking free press. feck them all.
 

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Only half a page up we have tweets about Tory MP’s demanding the BBC stop taking the piss out of them in comedy shows. And that Panorama shouldn’t be doing things like exposing government incompetence on PPE.

24 hours later, Tory MP’s moaning about blocking free press. feck them all.
Either people will notice this and this government will not last long.

Or, we have been dumbed down and distracted so much as a nation over he last few decades, so they can get away with anything and it is forgotten in the next news cycle.
 

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Either people will notice this and this government will not last long.

Or, we have been dumbed down and distracted so much as a nation over he last few decades, so they can get away with anything and it is forgotten in the next news cycle.
Definitely the second one. The hypocrisy seen on a day to day basis has just become normal now.

Take XR for example. When they staged protests and blocked roads, there was a lot of people annoyed by this, which I understood, despite loosely agreeing that radical action is probably the only way of getting attention.

Now today, you’ve got the right marching and blocking roads in Dover. Guarantee all of them were completely slaughtering XR for doing the same thing.