Didn’t read every tweet above but this guy did:
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Ive seen many others using the same language which is nothing to do with the report.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Ive seen many others using the same language which is nothing to do with the report.
i only read the tweet that showed circa 20 MPs supporting her, none of those mentioned race.
Honestly I don't know what people expected with this government. The show has been run by Boris and until recently Cummings, two people who we know pretty clearly a) aren't very smart people, and b) are also very ignorant and obnoxious people.
The outline from day one has been brassness and childish defence mechanisms, which unfortunately plays up to a certain, rather large group of people in this country...the kind who can't see the irony in not wanting wealthy people to be taxed more but then getting angry when Marcus Rashford buys a house. Thick people, basically.
Stupidity and ignorance is what creates division and eventually it becomes a mechanism to claim or cling to power and that's all that's going on here. As soon as the illusion of them being master minds over brexit dicipated and covid kicked in, all it's been about is clinging to positions of authority and abusing it as much as possible while they have it. Patel wont resign or be sacked unless the pressure becomes overwhelming and sustained. She'll be backstabbed out a few months further down the line instead probably.
It's been an eye opener in the sense that as much as I find I dislike all politicians, there is definitely a difference between those who have a semblance of integrity, empathy and intelliegence and those who don't.
The outline from day one has been brassness and childish defence mechanisms, which unfortunately plays up to a certain, rather large group of people in this country...the kind who can't see the irony in not wanting wealthy people to be taxed more but then getting angry when Marcus Rashford buys a house. Thick people, basically.
Stupidity and ignorance is what creates division and eventually it becomes a mechanism to claim or cling to power and that's all that's going on here. As soon as the illusion of them being master minds over brexit dicipated and covid kicked in, all it's been about is clinging to positions of authority and abusing it as much as possible while they have it. Patel wont resign or be sacked unless the pressure becomes overwhelming and sustained. She'll be backstabbed out a few months further down the line instead probably.
It's been an eye opener in the sense that as much as I find I dislike all politicians, there is definitely a difference between those who have a semblance of integrity, empathy and intelliegence and those who don't.
Whether you read it or not doesn't mean that you're correct. Just like knowing whether you're bullying people or not doesn't make it ok.
Tories accusing the left of racial prejudice by bringing up the race of the person being targeted isn't new. Whenever the left have something negative to say about Patel, Sunak or Javid there is always one Tory MP who plays the race card. Which, for a party strongly against immigration, is fecking rich.
Yep, otherwise ignorance could be used as an excuse for all manner of crimes/actions.
Such as, for example, bullying and threatening your staff.
Jesus. That’s outrageous.
I quoted a post that didn’t mention race at all. I’m not going to going searching Twitter for every tweet. Get over yourself.
conflating that with the bullying is utterly ridiculous, and I would expect better.
oh dear, all because you can't admit you were wrong to say @TheGame was bringing race into the discussion.Unless you think the second paragraph was related to you, which is wasn't and I'm sorry if I made it confusing with sloppy writing.
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I already stated I was replying to the one post with the collection of MPs posting about her.
Unless you think the second paragraph was related to you, which is wasn't and I'm sorry if I made it confusing with sloppy writing.
you then go on to suggest I should be seeking out all opinions/ tweets - and as I didn’t that’s the same as not knowing about bullying. As far as I’m concerned, that’s a very misguided accusation you make.
You accused @TheGame of being the one who brought race into the discussion. He corrected you, and instead of saying "oh, fair enough" you said "well, I didn't see that" and avoided being culpable for the error. You're now trying to cry foul and feign insult over my comments to divert the discussion from the core matter. Just like Patel. And, no, that's not a misguided accusation because it's exactly what is happening.
shocking. It’s a forum, not PMQs. You’ve taken this far too far. I don’t come on here to get accused of being like Patel, who had been accused of bullying. I won’t be replying to you, you are on ignore.
She dared to dream.
Nothing happens unless I seened it myself. I can then defend my team. Tory solipsism.
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Did you just accuse me of eating babies? How dare you. I'm taking my ball and going home. You've gone too far. You're on ignore now.
How can I accuse you when I don't even see you. Try again.
You are having a mare.
This should be big news tomorrow - this time Boris has handed out jobs without going through the proper recruitment process.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-illegally-over-jobs-for-top-anti-covid-staff
So, first, they hand out multi million pound contracts to companies that don't go out to tender, subverting the procurement processes that businesses and organisations up and down the country have to strictly follow. And now they're doing the same for personnel. Why am I not surprised that the party of Do As I Say, Not As I Do would do exactly that.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-illegally-over-jobs-for-top-anti-covid-staff
So, first, they hand out multi million pound contracts to companies that don't go out to tender, subverting the procurement processes that businesses and organisations up and down the country have to strictly follow. And now they're doing the same for personnel. Why am I not surprised that the party of Do As I Say, Not As I Do would do exactly that.
I never said I eat babies. You're mean.
Damn. Maybe this place is just an echo chamber but since the internet is the best place for information and generally most platforms seem to lean either left or center left, I can't help but think that much of that 40% only have a passing interest in politics, if that.
We need a comedian who is a proper socialist nutjob but hides it behind bright colours and annoying giggles. Someone like Mr Tumble. I would vote for Mr Tumble.
Vote for Tumble.
Why did they even bother?
Officials ‘blocked access to witness’ in Priti Patel inquiry
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...cked-access-to-witness-in-priti-patel-inquiry
Officials ‘blocked access to witness’ in Priti Patel inquiry
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...cked-access-to-witness-in-priti-patel-inquiry
Agree partly although it wouldn't surprise me if you showed the countless cases of tory corruption to not just the 40% but the wider British public they would just responded with ''well all politicians are corrupt''
One of the many things the tories have in their favour is the dominance of liberal cultural(Multiculturalism, equality, against openly bigoted view, etc etc). It enables them to basically run against the status quo even though they are literally the ruling class. So corruption and the hypocrisy of their government doesn't land because they are in some sense ''owning the libs''. Add to this that basically anyone over the age of 60 has similar social relations as a peasant and Mr Tumble will be seen as nothing more than commie muslim gay loving Eu bureaucratic trying to install Stalinism onto the British public(He would still get my vote tbh).
Aye, good for me :-)
Bless you, Boris
Pathetic tw@t. Playing the race card like this is disgusting, the irony is that he’s clearly a bigot himself.
Most of the population don’t seem to mind having a PM who’s clearly unfit for office. Boris is morally inappropriate and has complete disregard for the truth or the rules. Little Trump. Now the UK population is getting what they deserve. It’s exactly this kind of shit that destroys democracy. The damage being done now will only be fully noticeable years from now, have fun I’d say!
In fairness your response to the whole thing typifies some of the core problems in our politics at the moment. We have access to more information than ever before but we also have far more ease in filtering out the information we don't want. You took issue with a point he made simply because you only paid attention to the information you wanted to, which supported your goal. You weren't interested in actually understanding the issue and being part of the solution, you just wanted to support your team. And when that new and unequivocal information was presented to you, you just filtered it out again. Your job was done, you supported your team, it became harder to support your team in light of the new facts so you just shrugged your shoulders and moved onto the next convenient facts, moving away from the inconvenient truths as quickly as possible. And then you played the victim.
In and of itself that's completely harmless and unremarkable. It's an internet argument about a relatively minor government scandal. The fact is it is emblematic of your approach to most Tory discussions, and emblematic of most political discussions across the board. That wider social problem has very severe consequences because it's that way of thinking that allows you to vote for these people that have done unquestionable harm to the population throughout this crisis. It also allows you to just brush off the problems they have created for themselves by just saying "at least they're better than labour", without having to ever pay attention to the inconvenient truths, and the actual facts of the matter. Which is a recipe for bad government.
That isn't a small thing. You shouldn't feel entitled to do that without people calling you out for it.
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I replied to a post. I wasn’t presenting a thorough argument. I wasn’t supporting a team. I was nearly asking a question/ making a statement about what else those MPs were expected to do. They were supporting a colleague, that’s normal. I never debated whether she was right or wrong at any time. Quite frankly, I don’t have an opinion on it, because I have non inclination to look into the detail
you've also gone onto make broad brush assumptions, based on very little information. I don’t have a goal, or an agenda, and if I did, I wouldn’t feel the need to push that on a forum.
If you are going to call me out for not looking in depth and widely about a topic, which I don’t feel is necessary to do (so fair enough), then you need to look at the way you jump to conclusions about the way in which I think, and how I may approach things.
fact is, I jump in and out of conversations, I don’t have email alerts set up, and jump on the forum when I have a few mins free. I Don’t feel that it is incumbent on me to go and process all posts that may be relevant, if I miss things, then so be it.
This is meant to be a social experience. A discussion forum. Not work.
Again, you’ve made broad brush assumptions about how I vote and how I think, and then conflate this with your own political viewpoint and perspectives. You have no idea who my local MP is, and what my personal political landscape/ interaction is.
You’ve even put “at least they are better than labour?” Which implies that’s a quote of mine. Where have I said that?
frankly, you come across holier than thou, in you post. Whilst you do so, you make assumptions, which may or may not be true, and project your own political perspectives on to how you perceive I vote. You should take a look in the mirror.
it would be constructive to move on from this.
Cool Tory bro.
It's a very good point you make, the internet does have a tendency to blow up opinion bigger than what it actually is in the wider public domain and this place can be a great example of that sometimes (certainly strong tendencies of a chamber from a number of threads/posters). There's been studies done in 2019 on the US twitter proportion, around how 80% of the tweets from there comes from 10% of the user base. There was a study done by the University of Manchester where it concluded that both Twitter and Facebook are not representative of the UK population in terms of the political attitudes. That doesn't stop some hanging by the coat tails of anything that's posted on those channels, where it turns into either a massive debate of point scoring, who is right/wrong, or who looks the bigger hypocrite.
The assumptions may or not be true. We can agree on that. The fact you had to fall back on that truism suggests they were mostly true, but that's another inconvenient truth. That's because they're not really assumptions but assessments of what you have said on here. Others are just logical extensions of that view.
You vote out of self interest with a heavy weight placed on policies that benefit property ownership. As long as the government don't do anything too egregious then you're happy to brush it off as just politicians being politicians, sure it might be immoral, unethical and destructive to core social goals but what ya gonna do. Imagine what the other folks would have done. At least they're helping me out.
And what you define as egregious is directly influenced by how helpful they are to your goals - the less they get in your way, the more willing you are to shrug and move on. And conversely, the more willing you are to defend them, or dismiss the discussion, or engage in whataboutism.
Which again is quite typical of supporters of the current party in power. And it has real consequences that you're not entitled to just throw out there without opposition.
yet you keep coming out with assumptions. Then you suggest that I’m complicit in the government’s failings.
you clearly have a very high opinion of yourself, your virtues, and, clearly your opinions...
If you think this Tory government are a friend of a property investor/ developer, then you’ve fallen into your own trap of not doing your background research. Read up in Section 24, the abolition of section 21 and the likely increase in CGT coming this week. Again, you can’t read the situation, but you continue to try, and fail.
you are also guilty of not reading what I post, even though that was the accusation you levied at me. I’ve never said it’s “politicians being politicians”, instead I’ve said I don’t hold a view on this particular incident, because I have neither the time or inclination to look at the detail. Don’t read that any way, other than the way I’ve presented it. Although I’m sure you will.
you will notice I’ve NOT searched your post history, like you have done. I have no interest in trying to point score. I have no comeback on your political views, your biases or your background. It is of zero interest to me.
it’s a shame that we can’t discuss politics on a rational level without making assumptions, or conflating things. Truly a terrible post.
All this because he can't say "I was wrong, TheGame". Got to commend the commitment to changing the narrative, I guess.
That's interesting. It's not surprising that the majority of the population aren't sad bastards like us and would rather put their focus on other things.
I didn't say Tories are friends of landlords. That would depend on what you think is a landlord-friendly policy. Many people would say the current policy is much too landlord friendly and far more is needed than the policies you currently take issue with. You would of course debate that. What isn't really debatable is that Labour would have further constrained your ability to profit from it, so voting against them is voting in favour for the more landlord friendly policy. You can frame it differently but the end outcome is the same.
The fact is you entered the conversation to say 'hey, what do you expect, it's all in the game', with the intention of defending your team. As you've said yourself, you didn't care about the issue at all. When someone pointed out that maybe they shouldn't use race as political cover, you first questioned the validity of the statement, then when it was verified, you decided it doesn't matter whether it was true or not, you don't care about that issue.
So what you care about is defending your team, without even doing a cursory read on the subject. And what you don't care about is a much more pervasive issue that reflects very badly on your team. You care about it so little that you won't even consider the implications of it, or why other people care about it, you just want to wade in and get people to stop criticising your team. These aren't assumptions but repackaging of your own words, framed in a wider social context.
repackaging words, listen to yourself. After reading that I’m out. I have better things to do.
After wasting my time reading your ridiculous attempts to defend yourself I think I might put you on the ignore. ;-p
Just saying how you come across to me like.. and I do even have some sympathy for your argument about colleagues protecting colleagues, what else would you expect.
He has been on ignore from me for a long time. But people quoted him so I was reminded why he was put on ignore in the first place.
Truly idiotic posts. The lack of logic from him hurts my brain.
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