"What about covid? It derailed Brexit and just proved that we need to lock out the EU and China."Only in brexit Britain can the tories do something as disastrous as Brexit and somehow come out smelling like roses. Feck me.
ah man, I am a massive fan of the over confidence of an idiot.For years they've probably thought "maybe I am a little wrong" but on social media they've been emboldened by their theories ("squirrels turn your pee pink and that's the fault of Corbyn") by other like minded fools and now they're at the point where they are confident enough to puff out their chests and vote Tory at the polling station - because the front cover of the Mail told them to.
I like the Greens but the problem with them is you have to wade through the hippie tie dye policies with all the buzz words like inclusivity to get to the ones that might really speak to ordinary people - tax the megacorporations, UBI, 4 day working week with a higher minimum wage etc etc. The problem is the cerebral policies don't sell and they haven't been good at pushing the ones that do sell since Natalie Bennett stepped down as leader.
What exactly is your understanding of the word ‘woke’
Yep people are scared to ‘punish’ the rich because they too want to be rich, so they’d literally rather continue suffering in the present.
Agreed about the Greens. I've been a supporter for a while and I think they're in an ideal position to be the main left of centre party as they've always put equality first which could pick them up a lot of votes. Especially with environmental concerns having broader support now.
That's been the result of a turn away from collectivism and community messaging though. It's not a difficult argument, for people to become rich they'll need a strong well funded society so who would they rather pay for it, themselves or have those who already benefited from society pay for it?
What do people in Redcar and Hartlepool want that Labour isn't offering? Until Labour can answer that they're going to continue to lose votes.
I agree, but the problem is the electorate itself is too ignorant (read: dumb) that even if you communicated it clearly and effectively, all it would take is a few Daily Mail headlines to spin the narrative and they'll willingly run with it instead.
This is it in a nut shell for Hartlepool, a strong Brexit vote in 2016 and had Labour on a remain front telling them this for a number of years. The conversion of Brexit voters to Labour is a tall ask in that constituency, certainly one that isn't going to take 5 months after Brexit.
This is a very English political trait. Cutting your nose to spite your face. I might not be rich yet, but i don't want higher taxes for the rich in case i day suddenly i am rich and then i'll be stung by those taxes. Also the order of priority in sympathy...
It seems to exist in the place that 'political correctness' used to do but whereas pc culture had the feeling of institutions telling you what views to hold, now it's as if people genuinely believe that skint students and people in their 20s on zero hours contract service jobs are now the most powerful and dangerous forces in British culture. I think part of it is people are terrified of the youth holding views they can't understand.
This is exactly it, it's become a buzzword that people are instantly afraid of, 'woke policies' could genuinely mean something different to me, as it does to you, but it doesn't matter because once used the general public are fearful of it - even if they were to benefit from such policies in the first place, whatever they are.
I think people underestimate the impact of Brexit as a catalyst of breaking through tribalism and allowing older staunch Labour voters who have drifted to the right as their circumstances became more comfortable to vote for a party they detested with their entire being 30+ years ago.
I don't think it's just English. You can see similar in America where people will vote Republican for similar reasons.
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Spot on, Labour has had years to sort out places like Hartlepool and others in the 'red wall', it wasn't interested!
They don't even understand them let alone represent them, they never honed in on the reasons behind Brexit in these areas and for that they will be condemned for generations. Corbyn/Starmer take your pick neither has a clue, probably neither knows where Hartlepool is, even after consulting a map and using google!!
Throw in Brown's campaign trail "bigot" comments 10 years ago and you've got the evidence of how the party really saw their red-wall supporters.
Whilst I agree that a proportion of people will have used Brexit as a means to move to the right and potentially stay there I don't think it explains everyone. As you know, there wasn't a party to actually really get behind during Brexit and that is approximately 49% of the population who were not represented by a political party.
Who are Labour supposed to represent?
I agree, those unguarded comments from Brown 'let the cat out' so to speak, but they didn't even learn from that, the 'snowball' continued to roll down the hill and Labour politician after politician continually dodged out of the way.
Which is why Brexit was such a home-run for the Tories.
To be fair nobody likes being told the truth.
The Labour party also assumes that us asians will vote for it because the Tories hate us more.
I think in the red-wall areas, the vast majority are. According to the 2011 census, 98% of the Borough of Hartlepool identified as white.
Spot on again!
This is the best summary of the situation.
It mostly is. At the last census the UK was 87% white. When you consider the three biggest cities, London, Birmingham and Manchester, are all under 60% white, it gives you an idea of how high the percentage must be in the rest of the country.
This is exactly it. I've said this word for word today already.
So instead they're now voting for the Tories who are famous for their down to heart, compassionate approach to the north, and speaking to working class people as peers.
