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Yes, there's no way they are going to let her carry on for too long. Trying to make her resign may be the first step.
Its hard to know because for sure I don't think they would want another leadership contest so the question is then is there anybody the party could unite behind to appoint leader uncontested?

Hard to imagine Boris not challenging if they selected anybody but him but also hard to imagine the public suddenly forgetting the last year or so
 

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Its hard to know because for sure I don't think they would want another leadership contest so the question is then is there anybody the party could unite behind to appoint leader uncontested?

Hard to imagine Boris not challenging if they selected anybody but him but also hard to imagine the public suddenly forgetting the last year or so
His ego is big enough that he will back himself to win in 2024.
 

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Yes, there's no way they are going to let her carry on for too long. Trying to make her resign may be the first step.
There's two reasons that this is unlikely imo. Firstly, Boris might win. He would definitely win among Tory members, and if he stood but didn't get on the final poll because of MP votes, there'd be pandemonium. Secondly, five Prime Ministers in six years would hardly look any less chaotic than what's happening now under Truss. Their only hope now is that the economy grows.

If someone has to go, it'll be Kwarteng, with all of the blame piled on top of him.
 

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There's two reasons that this is unlikely imo. Firstly, Boris might win. He would definitely win among Tory members, and if he stood but didn't get on the final poll because of MP votes, there'd be pandemonium. Secondly, five Prime Ministers in six years would hardly look any less chaotic than what's happening now under Truss. Their only hope now is that the economy grows.

If someone has to go, it'll be Kwarteng, with all of the blame piled on top of him.
Will he go before or after the November budget ... but yeah if your nickname is now kamikwasi then basically your done its just a matter if when not if
 

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There's two reasons that this is unlikely imo. Firstly, Boris might win. He would definitely win among Tory members, and if he stood but didn't get on the final poll because of MP votes, there'd be pandemonium. Secondly, five Prime Ministers in six years would hardly look any less chaotic than what's happening now under Truss. Their only hope now is that the economy grows.

If someone has to go, it'll be Kwarteng, with all of the blame piled on top of him.
But this policy isn't from Kwarteng or Truss - it's a continuation of the fantasy Brexit dream of the ERG, Minford and co.. This is the final throw of the dice - Truss is the vacuous mouthpiece and maybe Kwarteng is the fall guy.
How is anyone going to have the faith to invest in the UK?

Really don't know where they go from here.
 

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Truss advisers right now

Reality is worse, Truss wasn't even being interviewed by Paxman. I assume she did local radio in the first place because she thought she'd get an easy ride, instead she got destroyed by a bunch of regional radio presenters. I guess its fair to say she'll also be turning down the Andrew Neill interview come the next general election.
 

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Can't remember a situation where the central bank are buy back bonds while increasing rates. Pretty sure Bailey will not be inviting Truss and Kwasi for Christmas.
 

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Can't remember a situation where the central bank are buy back bonds while increasing rates. Pretty sure Bailey will not be inviting Truss and Kwasi for Christmas.
True but US treasuries are getting a bit close to illiquidity thresholds for comfort. Might not be the last time we see it.
 

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There should be a rule in place that if a governing party are so shit they have to keep changing leaders it should automatically trigger a general election.

Otherwise they can just no confidence her before a GE and get someone more stable in. This way they can't just keep swapping.
 

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23-25 september
Labour ..............45%
Conservative.....28%
Libs......................9%
Green...................7%
SNP......................4%
Reform................3%
plaid....................1%
Others.................2%

17 point lead

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...voting-intention-con-28-lab-45-23-25-sep-2022
There is a path here, that's not improbable, where Truss is forced to call a GE to save her skin. With this sort of polling, even with shy Tory syndrome, it should be a comfortable Labour win.
 

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There should be a rule in place that if a governing party are so shit they have to keep changing leaders it should automatically trigger a general election.

Otherwise they can just no confidence her before a GE and get someone more stable in. This way they can't just keep swapping.
It’s utterly ridiculous that she’s been made PM by a vote amongst 0.002% of the population.
 

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It’s utterly ridiculous that she’s been made PM by a vote amongst 0.002% of the population.
The older I get the more I realise the world is just basically blatantly wrong things happening whilst nobody does anything about it.
 

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There is a path here, that's not improbable, where Truss is forced to call a GE to save her skin. With this sort of polling, even with shy Tory syndrome, it should be a comfortable Labour win.
Why would she, or any Tory, call an election before they're forced to considering the current situation?
 

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Why would she, or any Tory, call an election before they're forced to considering the current situation?
I think the only way she calls an election early is if she thinks the party will move against her

At which point she might as well roll the dice on an election and hope labour do something to shoot themselves in the foot (let Corbyn stand for example)
 

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There should be a rule in place that if a governing party are so shit they have to keep changing leaders it should automatically trigger a general election.

Otherwise they can just no confidence her before a GE and get someone more stable in. This way they can't just keep swapping.
This. 100% this.

I actually reckon it’s plausible they’ve done this on purpose for her to take the fall and will then implement a more press savvy leader to ‘change the narrative’ and win the next GE - as with May and Johnson.

The Tories are VERY good at playing the British public and getting voted back in repeatedly - and Truss is TOO bad.
 

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This. 100% this.

I actually reckon it’s plausible they’ve done this on purpose for her to take the fall and will then implement a more press savvy leader to ‘change the narrative’ and win the next GE - as with May and Johnson.

The Tories are VERY good at playing the British public and getting voted back in repeatedly - and Truss is TOO bad.
the plan was for boris to own the blame and truss to swoop in as saviour and win the next GE... the plan is not going well
 

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the plan was for boris to own the blame and truss to swoop in as saviour and win the next GE... the plan is not going well
But it’s years ‘til the next GE.

They’ll saddle her with this Budget, as with Brexit and May, then they’ll play the narrative that the Tories have ‘ousted her due to her awful leadership’ and they’ll put some more PR savvy ghoul like… say… Rees Mogg in who’ll win the next GE using some crude variation of toxic Nationalism and Xenophobia and usher in the next stage of the now trademark ‘we didn’t think it could get any worse but they managed it’ dystopian soap opera that British politics have become.
 

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But it’s years ‘til the next GE.

They’ll saddle her with this Budget, as with Brexit and May, then they’ll play the narrative that the Tories have ‘ousted her due to her awful leadership’ and they’ll put some more PR savvy ghoul like… say… Rees Mogg in who’ll win the next GE using some crude variation of toxic Nationalism and Xenophobia and usher in the next stage of the now trademark ‘we didn’t think it could get any worse but they managed it’ dystopian soap opera that British politics have become.
I would hardly call JRM PR savvy. You only have to look at the way he dresses. Like an overgrown schoolboy.
And he makes no bones about the fact that he thinks that he is oh so much more clever than everyone else.
The guy is a throwback to the Victorian era when they used to send little boys up to clean the chimneys.
He is a typical Tory Toff.
 

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I think the only way she calls an election early is if she thinks the party will move against her

At which point she might as well roll the dice on an election and hope labour do something to shoot themselves in the foot (let Corbyn stand for example)
Yes indeed.
 

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I think the only way she calls an election early is if she thinks the party will move against her

At which point she might as well roll the dice on an election and hope labour do something to shoot themselves in the foot (let Corbyn stand for example)
I think they'll force her into an election personally. There's more chance of them winning now than in a years time and plenty want a long career in politics.

The markets would surely react well to an election being announced and it gives the Tories a chance to try reset their pitch.

The alternative will be a bigger loss and more lasting damage.
 

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Levelling up was a Boris illusion sold to try to convince those in the so called north that the Tories were on their side.
It is about as realistic as the 40 new hospitals. Both will be kicked well into the long grass as today's problems increase especially as government departments are and will be told to cut budgets.
It may have been an illusion for Boris, but for many towns in the North who remained under Labour control, who are now like 'ghost towns' with shopping malls half empty, no proper high street and no new industry startups in over twenty/thirty years, except such as coffee bars and nail bars, etc. that last a year.... maybe only six months, then shut down. These towns need major new investment. Many towns have been living on scraps, either from so called regeneration projects or some were EU funded, but in many cases, it wasn't local industry that got the contracts or the benefit of actually doing the work.

Here's an example of what I mean, where I live there were two EU special projects 5th and 6th (in 2007-8 and in 2010) on a list put forward by the local council and with support from the local chamber of commerce that were accepted for EU funding. They involved work in a local park building a kid's playground and improving the gardens/access in two old folk's homes. The total value was around 15000 euros, the local Labour council let both contracts to companies from outside the area. So, although local children and elderly folk eventually saw the benefit, local industry didn't.

'Levelling up' is required and Labour needs to do it properly.