Jericholyte2
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How on earth is Starmer done, but Boris remains, one is actually a criminal rught now (Boris), and one isn't (Starmer), to my mind, the actual criminal should be done and he should resign.Starmer is done. Just a question of when.
Boris will remain and probably call an election whilst Labour have one of their six month self flaggelating leadership elections, now the Fixed Term Parliaments Act is toast.
It is what I would do.
Maybe you believe the previous 5 Daily Mail headlines...Oh the old 'Basket of Deplorables' argument. Not exactly the precise analysis I was hoping for.
How do you think political movements can communicate effectively when there is an obvious media bias?This is true, but people can still be gullible. DT (for a while anyway) mastered the trick of using social media.
However the mantra of the British left in blaming the right wing media for hoodwinking the public is a long and well established tradition (excuse) for its failed dogma and its own inability to communicate effectively with the people it claims to represent.
The one thing I would accept about the (basically) right wing press, is its ability to distract the political antenna of the left and in so doing this provides enough cover so that lots of readers of the popular press begin to feel its not worth voting.
That was a business meeting on the alleged steam train, that he may or may not have attended. Frosted icing was served and some may gave got onto his nose.Just a little rich for @Fearless to jump the gun on a situation and come into a thread with all the tack of a coked up bull driving a steam train.
Boris remains because there is a war on, or because there is a cost of living crisis, or because people don't care about his law breaking.How on earth is Starmer done, but Boris remains, one is actually a criminal rught now (Boris), and one isn't (Starmer), to my mind, the actual criminal should be done and he should resign.
"Starmer must go because he lied. Boris must stay to fix the country and win the war"How do you think political movements can communicate effectively when there is an obvious media bias?
It's quite the mental gymnastics you are pulling with your post.
We are not involved in a war, the war is between two countries not named the UK.Boris remains because there is a war on, or because there is a cost of living crisis, or because people don't care about his law breaking.
The Tories have shown over centuries that they can and will do anything to stay in power.
Voters here are small c conservative.
Despite New Labour being despised by everyone that was the longest period of non Tory rules since 1763.
I don't disagree. I was pointing out the reasons that will continually be made until Starmer goes. We have a Prime Minister who doesn't know how many kids he has, has cheated on every partner he has had, and built his career on telling lies. A £50 fine is nothing to him, and his allies in Parliament and the media have shown they will do anything to defend him. If we had as much left wing media in this country as right wing, maybe Starmer has a chance. But we don't. So I think he is done.We are not involved in a war, the war is between two countries not named the UK.
We have previously changed PM's during actual wars involving us, so that line os completely irrelevant.
Boris needs to resign, Starmer is irrelevant, Starmer never lied to Parliament Boris and Sunak have done, both should go pronto.
Boris doesn't think he needs to resignWe are not involved in a war, the war is between two countries not named the UK.
We have previously changed PM's during actual wars involving us, so that line os completely irrelevant.
Boris needs to resign, Starmer is irrelevant, Starmer never lied to Parliament Boris and Sunak have done, both should go pronto.
Quick let's call him Keith and demand he resigns so we can pester a new leader into bringing corbyn back
The Sun flipped to Labour in 1997 and moved back to the tories later. The Express followed, as did the Times. Them moving back coincided with the years of dominance we have now which isn't a surprise unfortunately."Starmer must go because he lied. Boris must stay to fix the country and win the war"
The surprise for me is how Labour has ever won an election given the media.
So how then does Labour win a General Election?
Exactly where they are, wallowing in the filth they gleefully created. Starmer's political career potentially ending at the hands of the right wing rags he's been renting himself out to is absolutely poetic.So how then does Labour win a General Election?
How does a socialist get elected PM, since that hasn't happened to date either?
We have had three people lead Labour to a GE victory in 77 years.
The Tories have had three people in the last 7.
Where should we have gone as a party after 2019?
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I still don't get why people miss the point. The calls for Boris to resign are not because he attended a party, they are because he lied repeatedly at the dispatch box about there being parties and only apologised as the fact emerged.Starmer should resign. Anything else is total hypocrisy.
Boris has repeatedly broken the ministerial code, why has this not been brought up by anyone in Parliament??I still don't get why people miss the point. The calls for Boris to resign are not because he attended a party, they are because he lied repeatedly at the dispatch box about there being parties and only apologised as the fact emerged.
Starmer did not lie to the house on this.
Its not the medium, its the message!How do you think political movements can communicate effectively when there is an obvious media bias?
Reminded me of this
Maybe she's just 'tired and emotional'.
Whilst I agree with nearly all of this, the left and right wings of Labour have always been at each other's throats for decades before Wilson.Its not the medium, its the message!
When I was a member of the Labour party, great effort was made not to talk over, or to the back of peoples heads, not to flog the dogma, to appreciate the issues (even when they seemed trivial) what the people wanted to talk about not what we were selling, it was in effect 'cold calling' because we knocked on peoples doors even when there wasn't an election of some sort going on. It started to work in the sixties (perhaps it was 'flower power?) and Harold Wilson formed a government initially with a majority of four. Then Vietnam kicked off big time and Harold refused to get involved, from then on everything went 'wonky', (always a suspicion of dirty tricks and disinformation from the Democrats in the US, but never really proved).
After that the Labour party went totally 'politically ape shit', left and right wings, battling each other (quite often in public) parties within a party. Even then, the whats now called'red wall' constituents, stayed true, but (and this is purely personal) knocking on doors became less and less effective. We were losing the soul of the party and replacing with political dogma and worrying about the worlds problems, but not our own people's day to day lives. That's when I left.
The Tories eventually gave Labour a break and committed political suicide over Maggie; however Labour still went further away from its natural base even when it was in power. Blair talked a good game had some success in NHS waiting list s but got into a lot of problems with its grass roots (on both wings). However Brexit and immigration were the final hurdles where Labour fell out with its long term supporters.
Yes there is a media bias, but by letting it become the scapegoat for Labour's failure it doesn't bode well for the future, the media is not going to change anytime soon!
As Labour have been clearly two parties within one for so long why do they not split into separate parties. On the other hand, presume one side needs the other side to stand a chance of getting elected.Whilst I agree with nearly all of this, the left and right wings of Labour have always been at each other's throats for decades before Wilson.
Wilson's skill (and Attlee's) was somehow (for the most part) keeping the civil war from breaking out and keeping both wings fairly happy.
For example, Herbert Morrison launched a plot to depose Clement Attlee after Attlee had won a landslide at the 1945 Election.
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Starmer did say Boris should resign because he was under investigation.How on earth is Starmer done, but Boris remains, one is actually a criminal rught now (Boris), and one isn't (Starmer), to my mind, the actual criminal should be done and he should resign.
They'll just ignore it and it will be gone away in 3 weeksThis attempt to downplay an absolutely damning display yesterday by the Tories could really misfire. If they don't acknowledge the voters message, then those same protest votes could stay away at a GE. Make no bones about it, these results are as bad as they realistically could have been..
This is total head in the sand moment from the Tories and it's disconcerting to say the least how the media is following suit.
Yes of course, but I was talking about my own level of awareness, I was a much younger man in the 1960's, possibly naive.... not the grizzled old 'sage' who nowadays is happy distributing his wisdom to the red cafe pages !!Whilst I agree with nearly all of this, the left and right wings of Labour have always been at each other's throats for decades before Wilson.
Yes of course, but I was talking about my own level of awareness, I was a much younger man in the 1960's, possibly naive.... not the grizzled old 'sage' who nowadays is happy distributing his wisdom to the red cafe pages !!
Bastani is a Cnut.
And the Tories said wait until the investigation ends so he’s staying as he believes he’s innocent. Desperate stuff from the Tories.Starmer did say Boris should resign because he was under investigation.
but now he’s under investigation it’s let the police finish the job
pretty hypocritical