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Are you being sarcastic?He’ll have to win the champions league and the Europa league this season for me to even consider wanting him full time
Are you being sarcastic?He’ll have to win the champions league and the Europa league this season for me to even consider wanting him full time
No yesAre you being sarcastic?
Not trying to be pedantic or a smart ar$e as I may have not understood your post properly but how can he win Champions League and Europa League in the same season mate?He’ll have to win the champions league and the Europa league this season for me to even consider wanting him full time
Think he means that even if Ole makes us Barcelona 08/09 Mark2 he wouldn't want him as permanent manager.Not trying to be pedantic or a smart ar$e as I may have not understood your post properly but how can he win Champions League and Europa League in the same season mate?
If anyone can, 2OLEgend canNot trying to be pedantic or a smart ar$e as I may have not understood your post properly but how can he win Champions League and Europa League in the same season mate?
I feel the same way.Honest answer? Almost nothing short of perfection results and gameplay wise. He just hasn't shown enough to warrant the interim job. He got it because he is a club legend as a player and not on managerial merits. If he is to be a permanent manager then he has to boost his merits to be above that of potential options out there.
Romantic choices can be afforded in a better developed club on and off the field. Ours isn't in a position to pick based on who we like without looking at merits.
We've repeatedly looked at managerial merits and it's got us absolutely nowhere. We really need to let go of this "on paper" view of things.Honest answer? Almost nothing short of perfection results and gameplay wise. He just hasn't shown enough to warrant the interim job. He got it because he is a club legend as a player and not on managerial merits. If he is to be a permanent manager then he has to boost his merits to be above that of potential options out there.
Romantic choices can be afforded in a better developed club on and off the field. Ours isn't in a position to pick based on who we like without looking at merits.
The thing is, many managers could do that.A lot of the responses here seem silly.
Surely if he demonstrates the qualities that we are looking for in our next manager then he deserves consideration. Not that he should automatically be chosen if he meets those requirements but I would think that if he brings confidence back to the dressing room, demonstrates the ability to coach the team in both offensive and defensive phases of play, and the players want him to stay, then surely he should be in the conversation for the permanent job.
Im not advocating for only looking at the papers. Besides, LvGs and Mourinho's papers weren't exactly perfect in recent times.We've repeatedly looked at managerial merits and it's got us absolutely nowhere. We really need to let go of this "on paper" view of things.
Moyes was the steady-man. Kept a shoestring budget Everton side in constant European contention for the best part of a decade, obvious commitment and loyalty, very experienced Premier League manager. Utter failure, completely out of his depth.
van Gaal was the veteran, hardline general. A full trophy cabinet and more recent success as manager of the Dutch national team, where he'd led them to impressive victories over Spain and Brazil, with a squad deemed inferior, having made some shrewd tactical decisions along the way. tumescent, directionless footballing philosophy, with no idea which players he could rely on, or how he wanted the team to play.
Mourinho was the key to success. Immediate impacts everywhere he went, bringing league titles with him, as he motivated players to run through walls for him. Pissed everyone off, had us playing terrible football, and wasn't even getting the results to justify it.
What we need is someone who understands the club and what the fans want to see, which Solskjaer undoubtedly does. The only question mark is whether he can implement it, but in all honesty, it doesn't really matter. If he gets even a tenth of that across, the foundations are there for the person we want to carry the club forward to work with.
Who do we actually expect to get in on what we have pretty much publicly announced is a temporary gig, if not someone a bit left-field?
These would almost certainly be the results if he showed the characteristics that I mentioned. I’m saying that the idea that he would have to win the CL and challenge for the title this year and even then not be in the conversation is a bit stupid. What if we had announced yesterday that we got Poch instead of Ole? What would we expect to see from the team the rest of the season with him in charge? If Ole can deliver that then I think he should be in consideration for the permanent job.If Ole shows in 6 months that he can compete at the top, then he'll need to get to the latter stages of the CL, and he'll need to mount a push for top 4 - that's the only way he could be given this job.
Not really. Pochettino would be hired based on his work at Southampton and Tottenham. He'd be given more than half a season and his job would be put over a longer time span than half a season as we'd look to him for fixing the clubs on-field and potentially transfer business over a longer period. Ole doesn't have the merits Pochettino has and as such has to prove more in that half a season.These would almost certainly be the results if he showed the characteristics that I mentioned. I’m saying that the idea that he would have to win the CL and challenge for the title this year and even then not be in the conversation is a bit stupid. What if we had announced yesterday that we got Poch instead of Ole? What would we expect to see from the team the rest of the season with him in charge? If Ole can deliver that then I think he should be in consideration for the permanent job.
Who? That's a heck of a rate?75% win rate with good attacking football.
It can be done it happened at Arsenal this season.Who? That's a heck of a rate?
Di Matteo got a not great Chelsea side to win the Champions League. Because of this he was made permanent manager, but it wasn't long to see he was out of his depth. Winning a cup competition isn't outstanding, Avram Grant was a missed John Terry from winning it a few years before that. I can see the same happening to Solskjaer if we are not careful. He is under no real pressure for this interim period, which he certainly well be when made permanent.Winning the Champions League.
He's trying to be funnyNot trying to be pedantic or a smart ar$e as I may have not understood your post properly but how can he win Champions League and Europa League in the same season mate?
Can you please explain further as I am a bit confused please as Arsenal have won 10 from 17 at rate of roughly 59%. Maybe there is something i'm not getting somewhere mate sorry?It can be done it happened at Arsenal this season.
Your points are all fair and to be clear I’d be very excited to have Poch next year, I think he’s exactly the sort of manager we should be looking at. It would just seem like a mistake to not consider a manager if they are already delivering what we are looking for. A bird in hand is worth two in a bush sort of thing.Pochettino would be hired based on his work at Southampton and Tottenham.
Thanks mate I cant understand sarcasm/jokes a lot of the timeHe's trying to be funny
He lost his first few games while implementing his philosophy then went undefeated for around 20 or so games. The club will not hire Ole with a 50-60% win rate that is not good enough to win the PL. It has to be much higher than that.Can you please explain further as I am a bit confused please as Arsenal have won 10 from 17 at rate of roughly 59%. Maybe there is something i'm not getting somewhere mate sorry?