if we dont make CL then questions have to be asked - both Moyes and LvG lost their jobs over that so why should Jose get any more time?
You are probably correctif we dont make CL then questions have to be asked - both Moyes and LvG lost their jobs over that so why should Jose get any more time?
Because its gets ridiculous after a period. Oh how the Cafe laughed and gasped at Chelsea and Madrid chopping and changing at a whim.if we dont make CL then questions have to be asked - both Moyes and LvG lost their jobs over that so why should Jose get any more time?
pathetic isn't it?feck me
Some of you would make great Madrid fans
If another manager doesn't get the champions league with these players then the players need to be questioned.if we dont make CL then questions have to be asked - both Moyes and LvG lost their jobs over that so why should Jose get any more time?
Ye I agree with that - it shouldnt be so clear cut but LvG won the FA Cup and still went so the club have set a clear precedent on the minimum expectationYou are probably correct
But I can't think of any other possible available manager to take the job
Also depends on how we finish. We might end up with a couple of cups and finish strongly
It is already ridiculous - I would have actually stuck with LvG anywayBecause its gets ridiculous after a period. Oh how the Cafe laughed and gasped at Chelsea and Madrid chopping and changing at a whim.
I cant believe the short term nature of our fans these days, just because we don't win something for a few years.
Because he record in the last 5 years is still outstanding compared to Moyes and Van Gaal. Mourinho has been brilliant so far despite a poor start. It's completely outrageous to question his results already when he's only been here 5 minutes. 37 shots against Burnley suggests a team heading in the right direction. Klopp lost a ton of games when he first arrived at Liverpool and it has taken him 2 transfer windows and a year to fix Liverpool. Mourinho needs 3 more players such as Virgil Van Dijk, Tiemoue Bakayoko and Greizmann before he can be judged. The fact of the matter is that Van Gaal and Moyes did years of damage to the club and it's not going to be a quick fix. 150 million on the likes of Blind, Rojo, Fellaini, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Darmian, Memphis when we could have bought players that were available such as Vidal/Matic/De Bruyne/Lukaku/Alli/Alexis Sanches/Wanyama/Van Dijk/Firminho for that money? Truly shocking spending. The only major concern with Jose is that he will eventually marginalize the likes of Rashford/Martial/Fosu Mensah in favour of signing ready made expensive big names but if he can get us back to being a team that easily makes top 4 each season then he will have been a success and I am pretty confident next season he will turn us into that team even though we won't get top 4 this year.if we dont make CL then questions have to be asked - both Moyes and LvG lost their jobs over that so why should Jose get any more time?
I argued the same despite being laughed out of court!It is already ridiculous - I would have actually stuck with LvG anyway
and we laughed at Chelsea and Madrid because they sacked managers who were actually successful!
I would not mind some toxicity .... the manager has every right to thrash these over pampered and under performing players to within an inch of their lives!For me, Mourinho's job simply does not come under threat in the short term, no matter what happens this season.
The only exception would be a parallel situation to last season at Chelsea, where the situation was clearly toxic. Results alone shouldn't see us even thinking about asking this question at this point.
Couldn't agree more. Sick of everyone pampering to these under-performing tosspots.I would not mind some toxicity .... the manager has every right to thrash these over pampered and under performing players to within an inch of their lives!
So then if that happens, we re-enter a phase of transition between managers, systems, players, etc.He should be given until it's mathematically impossible to get 4th, the board have made it very clear 4th is the minimum target.
Mourinho's big mistakes so far were only buying 4 players in pre-season and not selling more of the dead wood.
Help yourself out by finding the last time ManUtd won an European away, then the last time we won in Turkey. After that, start a new thread on Mourinho.Are we close to it now?
We've got to stand by our managers but when does it become the point of no return?
As of now, I'm just so depressed. I wish we had sorted ourselves out properly. Why are we so shit?
Im not writing off Jose right now, however I will certainly question if he deserves another year if we dont qualify for the CL next season.Because he record in the last 5 years is still outstanding compared to Moyes and Van Gaal. Mourinho has been brilliant so far despite a poor start. It's completely outrageous to question his results already when he's only been here 5 minutes. 37 shots against Burnley suggests a team heading in the right direction. Klopp lost a ton of games when he first arrived at Liverpool and it has taken him 2 transfer windows and a year to fix Liverpool. Mourinho needs 3 more players such as Virgil Van Dijk, Tiemoue Bakayoko and Greizmann before he can be judged. The fact of the matter is that Van Gaal and Moyes did years of damage to the club and it's not going to be a quick fix. 150 million on the likes of Blind, Rojo, Fellaini, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Darmian, Memphis when we could have bought players that were available such as Vidal/Matic/De Bruyne/Lukaku/Alli/Alexis Sanches/Wanyama/Van Dijk/Firminho for that money? Truly shocking spending. The only major concern with Jose is that he will eventually marginalize the likes of Rashford/Martial/Fosu Mensah in favour of signing ready made expensive big names but if he can get us back to being a team that easily makes top 4 each season then he will have been a success and I am pretty confident next season he will turn us into that team even though we won't get top 4 this year.
Im pretty certain we would be in a better position right now if we had stuck with him - although I can still understand why he went, the lack of entertainment was a major factor.I argued the same despite being laughed out of court!
Not at all. He was simply the best available with an illustrious cv. Those you named weren't and aren't available. Nor are there others with the required credentials for the very specific job at hand at a club of our size.This insinuates Mourinho is some kind of team builder, which he isnt. He's had some fantastic sides (bar Porto relatively) and did great with Chelsea and Inter, less great in his former two stints. But he's not some renowned builder like Pochettino, Klopp for example are more likely, or even Wenger.
True, but it would also be insanity if we were to hypothetically find ourselves in a situation where it's just not working and we persevere anyway due to past experiences.We've sacked two managers already since Ferguson without it fixing our problems. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. We're in a dip and we're just going to have to ride it out and hope it doesn't last too many more seasons.
I agree in principal but we need to be talking multiple seasons. In retrospect van gaal, though not universally popular, may well have been at least partially vindicated since we still, after spending even more boatload of money, have essentially the same basic problems as we had during his tenure. Basically that we're innefective in attack and still have to use a very cautious and defence oriented approach to get through games against anyone in the top eight.True, but it would also be insanity if we were to hypothetically find ourselves in a situation where it's just not working and we persevere anyway due to past experiences.
Not saying that'll happen, because I still hope it won't and don't think it will, and it's absurd to even be asking as to whether we should sack Mourinho at this stage, but if there does come a time when it's needed then it's not something we should rule out because of Moyes and LVG.
Easy to say in hindsight. Klopp was also coming off a pretty disastrous season with Dortmund.I still don't understand why we didn't go for Klopp when he was available.
So then if that happens, we re-enter a phase of transition between managers, systems, players, etc.
If any manager deserves some time, Mourinho has to be on that list.
And you do not sign a 34 year old striker, break the transfer record or even hire Mourinho in the first place if a slow rebuild was your goal.Why is it only United in Transition? How's Bayern's Transition going or City's or Chelsea's or Everton's? why do United need x amount of years to do things?
Mourinho's current managerial form we'll struggle to get in the top half, Mourinho's last 26 league games he's won 8 drew 6 lost 12.
I will back him until we can't get 4th.
Do you realise that City have outspent us every year for like 5 seasons? We had a big summer but even then they spent 50m on Stones 37m on Sane Bravo 15m Gundogan 30m Nolito 20m and 30m on the young brazilian forward to join in January. The reality is our squad just isn't very good and poor work in the transfer market by both Moyes and LVG has left us in this state.He has feckin spent 150 million quid and we look worse than last season. No offence but that is not acceptable. So we give him another 150 million to spend next year and it's still not right we will be in a worse position. If he gets another season he should do it with no money to spend, the only money should be from sales.
Because none of those clubs have had to replace the greatest club manager of all time.Why is it only United in Transition? How's Bayern's Transition going or City's or Chelsea's or Everton's? why do United need x amount of years to do things?
Mourinho's current managerial form we'll struggle to get in the top half, Mourinho's last 26 league games he's won 8 drew 6 lost 12.
I will back him until we can't get 4th.
Because LVG would not have given us more time himself. He was retiring after 3 years and so we could not afford him the same leeway we would for a long-term managerial potential.if we dont make CL then questions have to be asked - both Moyes and LvG lost their jobs over that so why should Jose get any more time?
Exactly. The meltdowns and sweeping write-offs after 2.5 months is truly embarrassing.My best friends dad was the coach driver for Liverpool and they were winning everything at that time . I know times have changed but we don't have a right to just jump back on the horse of the greatest ride or club has ever been on. And yes that includes Busby.
Exactly. I still think and hope Mourinho turns it around. But, the ideas some have here that he should keep his job for years no matter what the results are or that we can not properly judge him until he is able to sell everyone on the team is just insane to me. For how underwhelming we were under Van Gaal we finished 4th and 5th and we added Zlatan and Pogba. We should have high expectations for this squad.My Fellow Caf members, I have but one request let’s not turn into RAWK or Bluemoon in these trying times.
A manager or player should never be immune from criticism because you like him. That’s very Rawkish.
No one is saying Mourinho should be fired now (that would be silly), but it is OK for fans to have opposing views. A big chunk of the fan base did not want this manager. I think they have a right to voice their concerns now.
I hope he turns it around but if you are being objective, right now he seems clueless despite having the most expensive squad in the world. It’s only natural for fans to be concern.