See my first post on the subject. Matches are only a subset of what coaches see. If he’s not doing enough in training to earn his chances why should he be favoured over players who are?Those players actually fail on the pitch though rather than just never get to play apart from 10 minutes at the end of games. DVB has not been given a fair chance to succeed or fail which is why it's such a weird transfer
He's 19 (only just turned 19 as well)The same question can be placed on Amad to be honest.
Who has happened to cost the club an absolute fortune. Maybe he'll come good, he certainly looks the business. But between him and Donny, that's £75 million worth of talent that has not been giving an opportunity when we're crying out for funds to be able to improve our midfield.He's 19 (only just turned 19 as well)
Diallo is obviously a future prospect so no, the same question can't be asked of Diallo, he wasn't expected to come in and do anything. VDB fair enough.Who has happened to cost the club an absolute fortune. Maybe he'll come good, he certainly looks the business. But between him and Donny, that's £75 million worth of talent that has not been giving an opportunity when we're crying out for funds to be able to improve our midfield.
Behave. How is there any comparison?The same question can be placed on Amad to be honest.
How many did move on in the first place? De Jong and De Ligt have definitely been very successful.How many of that ajax side that moved on have done well for their new clubs?
I wouldn't agree with that. He used to play a lot as a 10 at Ajax, so he's an attack minded player. Whatever way you look at it, he's a much better ball player than Fred, McTominay or Matic. Don't understand why he's not playing - even as a sub.Am I the only one that thinks Donny is average at best? Most of the time he recieves a pass he immediately passes back.
And it took both a full year to settle. Donny has to be given a chance. So frustrating.How many did move on in the first place? De Jong and De Ligt have definitely been very successful.
I wasn't questioning Diallo is regards to his ability, more the club and Ole for not prioritizing appropriately. We're not flush with cash to an extent where we can spend more than £30 million for a single young player and then send him out on loan. Not when we've got holes and priorities elsewhere in the team.Diallo is obviously a future prospect so no, the same question can't be asked of Diallo, he wasn't expected to come in and do anything. VDB fair enough.
Would you say that he plays the same level at United that he played at Ajax? I never saw him playing there. I really hope he comes good but maybe he just isn't good enough, I mean is he Scholes quality? This should be what we look for at United.I wouldn't agree with that. He used to play a lot as a 10 at Ajax, so he's an attack minded player. Whatever way you look at it, he's a much better ball player than Fred, McTominay or Matic. Don't understand why he's not playing - even as a sub.
Or he's a CM in a team that needs CM cover and still doesn't play...no one is saying he's some kind of superstar, they just would rather he start ahead of Matic against a team that will be fighting relegation this season. Hell, I'd have rather we started Pereira if he wasn't on loan...it's about how you want to play and Matic/Fred isn't it.DVB is becoming some type of gallion figure where posters feel he is the best player in the club outside of Pogba and Bruno and why he doens't get playingtime is a massive mystery
You are assuming he is not doing enough in training. It could be the manager doesn't like him or he doesn't want to change his system to accommodate him, or he didn't want to sign him or any number of non performance related issues.See my first post on the subject. Matches are only a subset of what coaches see. If he’s not doing enough in training to earn his chances why should he be favoured over players who are?
He’s not been better than any of our other midfielders in matches so what message would that send if he’s also not better in training but being given an extended run?
It’s a results based industry and he’s not doing enough to warrant the risk.
He played 36 matches for us last season and averaged 40mins per appearance and he was average or worse in all but 1 or 2 when he was slightly above average.
No doubt we'd all love a scholes-type but that's an impossibility. I think most fans aren't even looking for a player of that level. We're just looking for an upgrade on Fred, Matic and MCT. I think Donny is a better technical player that all of them and should at least be given a chance in the CM/CDM role. The fact he hasn't played a single minute in the opening two games is very frustrating.Would you say that he plays the same level at United that he played at Ajax? I never saw him playing there. I really hope he comes good but maybe he just isn't good enough, I mean is he Scholes quality? This should be what we look for at United.
Onana - Still thereHow many of that ajax side that moved on have done well for their new clubs?
This is it. We're not saying Donny is Zidane. But he at least deserves a chance to show he can do a better job than Fred, Matic or MCT.. He's been totally overlooked and it's hard to understand when we have to suffer through our midfield being dominated by Romeu and JWP.Or he's a CM in a team that needs CM cover and still doesn't play...no one is saying he's some kind of superstar, they just would rather he start ahead of Matic against a team that will be fighting relegation this season. Hell, I'd have rather we started Pereira if he wasn't on loan...it's about how you want to play and Matic/Fred isn't it.
I think games are afoot with Donny, Lingard and potentially James. If we get good offers we’ll sell. If we say we want to sell we won’t get good offers though so they’re all apparently in our plans. I still think we want Rice.Romano said on a Twitch stream (I think?) with United Stand to keep an eye on the DvB situation as he wants to ensure he's playing this season. May end up seeing him out the door if he's not given some sort of assurances.
I disagree. Donny was bought as a first team player who could come in and contribute straight away. He's played in big games for Ajax. Amad played like 60 minutes of professional football before we bought him. One for the future and there's no need to rush him.The same question can be placed on Amad to be honest.
As opposed to our current centre halves and midfield who pass the ball to the opposition? He played well end of last season and a couple of weeks ago against Everton, we looked great moving the ball quickly.. It makes no senseAm I the only one that thinks Donny is average at best? Most of the time he recieves a pass he immediately passes back.
Yeah I think a couple might be sold before the window shuts. If Vdb just isn't going to play there is no point retaining him. It's a shame but players need to be moved.I think games are afoot with Donny, Lingard and potentially James. If we get good offers we’ll sell. If we say we want to sell we won’t get good offers though so they’re all apparently in our plans. I still think we want Rice.
This merit-based team selection thing sounds like a nice concept in theory but no matter how shit hot Matic might be in training, his last really good performance was some time around 2019. Does he warrant the risk? He's not even a gamble at this point: we know he'll be shite more often than not.See my first post on the subject. Matches are only a subset of what coaches see. If he’s not doing enough in training to earn his chances why should he be favoured over players who are?
He’s not been better than any of our other midfielders in matches so what message would that send if he’s also not better in training but being given an extended run?
It’s a results based industry and he’s not doing enough to warrant the risk.
He played 36 matches for us last season and averaged 40mins per appearance and he was average or worse in all but 1 or 2 when he was slightly above average.
10? He hasn't even had two consecutive starts. Can you name me any other player that was mostly fit, cost €40m and hadn't received 2 consecutive starts a year later?He’s another one of those players that gets the “well he’s never had chances” treatment.
Manager’s have a far greater opportunity to assess a player’s abilities than fans do. They watch them train every day and watch them in training matches.
If Donny is behind Fred, McTominay and Matic, it’s because he’s not shown as much as them in training.
Donny’s performances in matches will be reinforcing what the coaches already felt about him rather than changing their minds and that’s not how you earn more chances.
You don’t just give any player 10 straight matches “because that’s the only way to assess them”. Players have to earn every minute.
He doesn't have to be Scholes quality, just better than a past it Matic, an underperforming Fred or an injured McTominay.Would you say that he plays the same level at United that he played at Ajax? I never saw him playing there. I really hope he comes good but maybe he just isn't good enough, I mean is he Scholes quality? This should be what we look for at United.
Catchy that40m down the drain
Ole won't ever play him again
Yeah or you know buying an actual DMCould have used that money on renewing Pogba. Bad business.
Every player we buy that is not miles better than what our academy has to offer is a bad investment. Developing youth and buying big/quality players is the only way we can compete with extreme spending like City and Chelsea.
