SuperiorXI
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The first step is to restore the mood around the club.
I agree its not over, but poor auld Ole and Mike have one hell of a job now lifting morale in the players and supporters in turn. They have to get their ideas across quickly and not only improve performances but more importantly results.This isn't about whether or not Ole is a good punt or just more cronyism, but why on Earth do people keep insisting that the 'Season is over'?
I keep reading this in pretty much every thread discussing United and our choices this season it's annoying me -
There are 21 games left out of 38 in the PL
We're in the last 16 of the Champion's League
We're in the 3rd Round of the F.A Cup with a home game against Reading
This narrative that the 'Season is practically over' is factually incorrect, annoying and also dangerous in lowering expectation.
People are repeating it a lot in regard to our choice of interim boss, and what our expectations should be and to me it seems a fairly obvious mantra to continue lowering standards.
The season isn't 'almost over' - it isn't even halfway through...
We're in 2 prestigious Cup competitions and with our wage bill and season ticket prices we should be aiming to win both.
And regarding the PL - there are 60 points left for us to play for, and we're 11 points from 4th. Bigger gaps than 11 points have been made up in 20 games, many times before.
Cmon people - have a word with yourselves.
In two minds about an EL spot. I’m torn because without it, in theory you are fresher for the domestic comps. More specifically, a tilt at the league. Eg Liverpool 2014.We won’t finish top 4 or win the CL. Hopefully get a Europa League spot.
The first step is to restore the mood around the club.
No chance. Haven't kicked a ball yet!I think we are somewhere to getting close to that target by getting rid of Mourinho mate.
I agree it would be a nice little end to Ole's run and finish a miserable season off with something positive, I'm just saying in the grand scheme of things I feel the rest of this season is just about lifting morale and playing some good football, anything else is a bonus.Given how terribly this season has gone so far, ending it by seeing Solskjaer lift the cup would be pretty damn nice though.
I can't imagine us going out there to not win every game. I'd expect nothing less from Ole, I cannot see him being made permanent boss however the season plays out, but he's damn well going to do his best to get his name in the hat. He'll most likely still be a relatively young manager when the next guy has gone.Dare I say it... a ready made excuse for the players? I’m not having any of it, we should be going out there to win every game, of course it won’t happen, but that should be our mentality
Ok, I have a word with myself.This isn't about whether or not Ole is a good punt or just more cronyism, but why on Earth do people keep insisting that the 'Season is over'?
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Cmon people - have a word with yourselves.
The players don't read the caf or care what any of us think regarding expectations for the remainder of the season. We can be as ambitious or pessimistic as we like without it having the slightest impact.Dare I say it... a ready made excuse for the players? I’m not having any of it, we should be going out there to win every game, of course it won’t happen, but that should be our mentality
Nice positive attitude. Good line of thinking. Next 8 games are Cardiff, Huddersfield, Bournemouth, Newcastle, Tottenham, Brighton, Burnley, Leicester and Fulham. It may be a herculean task considering the season we've had but we could take 21 points from these fixtures, highly unlikely but doable. Then see where we are mate?We have a winnable run of games on the next 5/6. Lets talk about top 4 after that
Needs to be more like 8/9 winning streak to catch up. Basically 12 points behind, so that requires one of Chelsea/Tottenham to lose at least 4 games and Arsenal to self destruct as well.League season is over for Man. United.
You need 6/7 winning streak just to get properly in mix for top 4.
Who knows in the cups though....Chelsea were in similar flux after sacking AVB in 2012. Di Matteo won them the FA cup and CL.
Wolves drew against City earlier in the season. Upsets happen in football. I'm not sure what the point is. Are you championing those results?We beat Juve away a few weeks ago, drew with Arsenal in a thrilling game... and that was with Mourinho's drab football...
A new manager should be expected to do better than a manager who's just been fired, surely...?
Agreed. Literally anything can happen going forward and since we almost certainly wont be playing Jose's tumescent, defensive style anymore, I can see us making a big move for top 4.This isn't about whether or not Ole is a good punt or just more cronyism, but why on Earth do people keep insisting that the 'Season is over'?
I keep reading this in pretty much every thread discussing United and our choices this season it's annoying me -
There are 21 games left out of 38 in the PL
We're in the last 16 of the Champion's League
We're in the 3rd Round of the F.A Cup with a home game against Reading
This narrative that the 'Season is practically over' is factually incorrect, annoying and also dangerous in lowering expectation.
People are repeating it a lot in regard to our choice of interim boss, and what our expectations should be and to me it seems a fairly obvious mantra to continue lowering standards.
The season isn't 'almost over' - it isn't even halfway through...
We're in 2 prestigious Cup competitions and with our wage bill and season ticket prices we should be aiming to win both.
And regarding the PL - there are 60 points left for us to play for, and we're 11 points from 4th. Bigger gaps than 11 points have been made up in 20 games, many times before.
Cmon people - have a word with yourselves.
Now you've done the math we can see it is a very long shot, not quite impossible but highly unrealistic.People that are optimistic about top 4, could you please explain how you see that coming about?
We're currently 11 points behind 4th. That is a swing of at least 4 games.
Say we go on an excellent run of 16 wins from 20 with 2 draws. We have dropped 10 points, adding an extra 4 games our top 4 rivals would have to lose.
So you are effectively hoping for Arsenal to lose 8 of 20 games whilst us going almost unbeaten barring 2 losses. All whilst bringing in a manager hugely inexperienced at this level and having to turn the mood of the club around.
Let's aim for the cups, but being realistic top 4 is long gone.
The manager was rubbing off on many it seems, I'd imagine that the negativity will slowly diminish moving forward though as fans get behind the club as we move on towards a new era.Because most of the posters on this forum are extremely negative and love a moan.
When Old takes his charge of his first game and we hopefully go on a decent run. I think fans will start getting a bit more positive again. A few good results and the optimism will be backThe manager was rubbing off on many it seems, I'd imagine that the negativity will slowly diminish moving forward though as fans get behind the club as we move on towards a new era.
Nice to have something to look forward too adter all the doòm and gloom surrounding us lately.As others have said, it would take an incredible run and an incredible collapse by rivals. And those rivals have better squads. You can replace the manager but there are still severe weaknesses in the squad. We’re not getting top 4. We sure as hell aren’t winning the CL. FA cup you never know, but it’s the least important of the 3.
So yes the season is over. But that’s ok - we’re now in a position to set ourselves up for next season. New DoF. New manager. A summer of new recruitment. That’s something to look forward to, finally.
Ask Di Matteo.It's more to do with priorities. Given our level of football this season the two main trophies are out of reach and top 4 isn't that gettable. The other two trophies arent all that relevant albiet nice to win, and at this stage things like cohesion, entertaining football and setting things up for next season take precedence over what we can achieve this season - which is very little of true note.
Am I confident that solskjaer will do better than Mourinho in terms of results? NO.
Honestly, do you really thing people will be happy with no improvement?Do I think solskjaer will at least place more attacking soccer and make fans happy regardless of lack of improvement in results? YES.
Is the season over? YES.
I am being realistic here. I am happy for a change as i think we have stagnated. I do not think Solskjaer is the solution. Solskjaer win percentage is 16.7 at cardiff. Mike Phelan is 15 at Hull. Not promising. Hope I am wrong though.
Realistically, other than morale, a new face, attitude, new man management style. Do you actually think a Norwegian League manager will turn us into world beaters tactically?That's crazy, I hope the club has higher standards - no offense meant to you with that, but to bring in a new manager and accept worse results than a manager just fired, because the new guy 'more likable' is insane.