ash_86
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@sugar_kane you tied to debate with this mob
First of all, this is not a post about style of football or coaching ability, simplystatistics and resultsfacts.
Couldn't care less even if that is true(different players/starting point so it's unfair), go more on feel good factor, and it's currently higher than at any time since SAF leftEven with all his stats, he still has the worst win percentage among the post Fergie managers.
You're right though. Stats can only show so much. It can't tell us how we lack unity like Fred did. Or how our football has been shit
The feel good factor was one of the few positives related to Ole but after Freds interview now I'm not so sure. A team that has no unity isn't a team no matter how people want to spin it and calling out his own players as individuals is only going to divide the dressing room even more.Couldn't care less even if that is true(different players/starting point so it's unfair), go more on feel good factor, and it's currently higher than at any time since SAF left
Looking forward to a stat for that, no doubt some sad sap will be out there with Logarithm, Spreadsheets and Pie Charts brain working overtime, it's coming lads!
I beg your pardon? Could you elaborate on the bolded point more please?Couldn't care less even if that is true(different players/starting point so it's unfair), go more on feel good factor, and it's currently higher than at any time since SAF left
Looking forward to a stat for that, no doubt some sad sap will be out there with Logarithm, Spreadsheets and Pie Charts brain working overtime, it's coming lads!
that is grim, really grimHaving looked at the results in the league I don't see any settling down and actually a very depressing set of results. Adding in some half arsed cup games mask a real issue. Look away now or read them in the voice of James Alexander Gordon
Aug
United 4 Chelsea 0
Wolves 1 United 1
United 1 Palace 2
Southampton 1 United 1
Sep
United 1 Leicester 0
West Ham 2 United 0
United 1 Arsenal 1
Oct
Newcastle 1 United 0
United 1 Liverpool 1
Norwich 1 United 3
Nov
Bournemouth 1 United 0 (yes this is correct)
United 3 Brighton 1
Sheffield 3 United 3
Dec
United 2 Villa 2
United 2 Spurs 1
City 1 United 2
United 1 Everton 1
Watford 2 United 0
United 4 Newcastle 1
Burnley 0 United 2
Jan
Arsenal 2 United 0
United 4 Norwich 0
Liverpool 2 United 0
United 0 - Burnley 2 (yep sorry this is correct)
Feb
United 0 Wolves 0
We had hot spell in Dec during a lot of games, it's a win a month otherwise. Dec might be worth two if we move it down to 3/4 games so still our best month.
With Bruno and maybe Ighalo we can have some surprise element at Chelsea and get a rare win there but looks like another loss/draw. I'm pretty confident of a stronger end to the season but there's no up turn evident, just some cup wins adding to the figures, we're back to being shite as we have been through nearly all of it. Can't create or score for toffee and the toffee's are above us like when we had Moyes and points goals scored is there with LVG's most awful second season but must be said 4th and 5th was 66 points so sometimes it's reflective of the league as a whole.
1 win in 4, 25% win rate in Jan. Not great, but doesn't that sound familiar? Oh yes..Jan
Arsenal 2 United 0
United 4 Norwich 0
Liverpool 2 United 0
United 0 - Burnley 2 (yep sorry this is correct)
Progress. It's the united way. Rebuild.Since appointed full time:
• 11 W, 10D, 13L
• 11 games we failed to score a goal
• 5 clean sheets
• 1.26 goals scored, 1.23 goals conceded per game
• 3/16 wins away from home (18%)
• 8/18 wins at home (44%)
• 32% win rate overall
• 200m spent
Don't give a feck what he was like before he got his contract. This kind of form and management is beyond comprehension. Indefensible but people will try.
Your point is what exactly? That Chelsea's Jan is as bad as our form? I didn't mention them in the context of the season, they've done poor but not as poor as us as we're six points off.1 win in 4, 25% win rate in Jan. Not great, but doesn't that sound familiar? Oh yes..
Jan
Brighton 1 Chelsea 1
Chelsea 3 Burnley 0
Newcastle 1 Chelsea 0 (this is correct)
Chelsea 2 Arsenal 2
I think if the Caf's mood is any expression of the fans mood then the feel good factor really isn't so great. But no Ole is not toxic in the way Mourinho was in his final season.The feel good factor was one of the few positives related to Ole but after Freds interview now I'm not so sure. A team that has no unity isn't a team no matter how people want to spin it and calling out his own players as individuals is only going to divide the dressing room even more.
According to Ole, lots of themI honestly can't think of a game where we outplayed the opponent but lost under Ole.
Perspective. I'm not absolving Ole, but before people start going apeshit, it was a tough run. Both Liverpool and Arsenal away, especially the latter when they were on the bounciest of bounces and with a point to prove to their home fans. Burnley was bad obviously. But we still have a sliver of hope if we can go on a good run. Beating Chelsea would be key to that.Your point is what exactly? That Chelsea's Jan is as bad as our form? I didn't mention them in the context of the season, they've done poor but not as poor as us as we're six points off.
If it's in regards to the upcoming game comment, we have a poor record in the league there but I'm 50/50 on it and think the new players could be helpful to get a rare win. Record wise it could be another loss/draw to chalk up for Ole, we'll see. Chelsea are not some standard we should be at or aim for, or anything that I proclaim, quite the opposite and they're of no concern hence I never brought them up and only mentioned them in the context of our next game, could've been Spurs or Sheffield, it happens to be Chelsea away. I've got no idea how you're reading that. My point in the post was there's no up turn or stability in my view in regards to the OP.
Good point, and one that has been missed by many, Martial is an easy target just now, give him top players around him then we see a different player, but he is next to useless when the focus is on him alone to prop us up, it's no crime, and if we drive him out to a club with lots of top player we will see the real Martial no doubt..Having looked at the results in the league I don't see any settling down and actually a very depressing set of results. Adding in some half arsed cup games mask a real issue. Look away now or read them in the voice of James Alexander Gordon
Aug
United 4 Chelsea 0
Wolves 1 United 1
United 1 Palace 2
Southampton 1 United 1
Sep
United 1 Leicester 0
West Ham 2 United 0
United 1 Arsenal 1
Oct
Newcastle 1 United 0
United 1 Liverpool 1
Norwich 1 United 3
Nov
Bournemouth 1 United 0 (yes this is correct)
United 3 Brighton 1
Sheffield 3 United 3
Dec
United 2 Villa 2
United 2 Spurs 1
City 1 United 2
United 1 Everton 1
Watford 2 United 0
United 4 Newcastle 1
Burnley 0 United 2
Jan
Arsenal 2 United 0
United 4 Norwich 0
Liverpool 2 United 0
United 0 - Burnley 2 (yep sorry this is correct)
Feb
United 0 Wolves 0
We had hot spell in Dec during a lot of games, it's a win a month otherwise. Dec might be worth two if we move it down to 3/4 games so still our best month.
With Bruno and maybe Ighalo we can have some surprise element at Chelsea and get a rare win there but looks like another loss/draw. I'm pretty confident of a stronger end to the season but there's no up turn evident, just some cup wins adding to the figures, we're back to being shite as we have been through nearly all of it. Can't create or score for toffee and the toffee's are above us like when we had Moyes and points goals scored is there with LVG's most awful second season but must be said 4th and 5th finished with 66 points in 2015/16 so sometimes it's reflective of the league as a whole. This season has been tracking to be as bad or worse than 2016 for 4th spot and the spread of points from 4th down.
If 1 win in our last 5 games is stabilization with 3 losses and a draw, the win coming to our whipping boys Norwich then we're fecked. Rashford is a huge blow. With both Martial and Rashford we have something okay, still not enough but keeps us going, they have been ineffectual on their own hence our dead run recently and our dead run with just Rashford up top while Martial was injured. The new players will have to help otherwise we're really going to struggle like we have in the last 5 games or like we did earlier on this season.
Moyes took us down . LVG followed in Moyes shoes with more boring football. Mourinho improved us only to ruin us the next day.Aye @jamesjimmybyrondean
Premier League win-rates since SAF left:
Season 1: 50%
Season 2: 52.6%
Season 3: 50%
Season 4: 47.3%
Season 5: 65.7%
Season 6: 50%
Season 7 so far: 36%
Who cares what Chelsea are doing? Just because others are struggling doesn’t lessen or excuse Utd’s dire form.1 win in 4, 25% win rate in Jan. Not great, but doesn't that sound familiar? Oh yes..
Jan
Brighton 1 Chelsea 1
Chelsea 3 Burnley 0
Newcastle 1 Chelsea 0 (this is correct)
Chelsea 2 Arsenal 2
There's no way this isn't a WUMCouldn't care less even if that is true(different players/starting point so it's unfair), go more on feel good factor, and it's currently higher than at any time since SAF left
Looking forward to a stat for that, no doubt some sad sap will be out there with Logarithm, Spreadsheets and Pie Charts brain working overtime, it's coming lads!
Good post.Having looked at the results in the league I don't see any settling down and actually a very depressing set of results. Adding in some half arsed cup games mask a real issue. Look away now or read them in the voice of James Alexander Gordon
Aug
United 4 Chelsea 0
Wolves 1 United 1
United 1 Palace 2
Southampton 1 United 1
Sep
United 1 Leicester 0
West Ham 2 United 0
United 1 Arsenal 1
Oct
Newcastle 1 United 0
United 1 Liverpool 1
Norwich 1 United 3
Nov
Bournemouth 1 United 0 (yes this is correct)
United 3 Brighton 1
Sheffield 3 United 3
Dec
United 2 Villa 2
United 2 Spurs 1
City 1 United 2
United 1 Everton 1
Watford 2 United 0
United 4 Newcastle 1
Burnley 0 United 2
Jan
Arsenal 2 United 0
United 4 Norwich 0
Liverpool 2 United 0
United 0 - Burnley 2 (yep sorry this is correct)
Feb
United 0 Wolves 0
We had hot spell in Dec during a lot of games, it's a win a month otherwise. Dec might be worth two if we move it down to 3/4 games so still our best month.
With Bruno and maybe Ighalo we can have some surprise element at Chelsea and get a rare win there but looks like another loss/draw. I'm pretty confident of a stronger end to the season but there's no up turn evident, just some cup wins adding to the figures, we're back to being shite as we have been through nearly all of it. Can't create or score for toffee and the toffee's are above us like when we had Moyes and points goals scored is there with LVG's most awful second season but must be said 4th and 5th finished with 66 points in 2015/16 so sometimes it's reflective of the league as a whole. This season has been tracking to be as bad or worse than 2016 for 4th spot and the spread of points from 4th down.
If 1 win in our last 5 games is stabilization with 3 losses and a draw, the win coming to our whipping boys Norwich then we're fecked. Rashford is a huge blow. With both Martial and Rashford we have something okay, still not enough but keeps us going, they have been ineffectual on their own hence our dead run recently and our dead run with just Rashford up top while Martial was injured. The new players will have to help otherwise we're really going to struggle like we have in the last 5 games or like we did earlier on this season.
Who said it lessens or excuses Utd's dire form?Who cares what Chelsea are doing? Just because others are struggling doesn’t lessen or excuse Utd’s dire form.
But if people do need to compare Utd to others then how about we’re eigth in the table and 38 points behind Liverpool. Shocking.
Fred's recent quotes directly challenge this belief. Do you feel this belief is grounded in reality or fantasy? Is this a comfort blanket shielding you from the painful acceptance of facts?Couldn't care less even if that is true(different players/starting point so it's unfair), go more on feel good factor, and it's currently higher than at any time since SAF left
Looking forward to a stat for that, no doubt some sad sap will be out there with Logarithm, Spreadsheets and Pie Charts brain working overtime, it's coming lads!
I've never thought that Ole was toxic but it wouldn't surprise me if the players have realised that Ole isn't good enough to be our manager. I'm not saying they've downed tools but we've all seen in games where we are expected to get a result that the performances have been nowhere near up to scratch. There's no spark and the motivation doesn't seem to be at the required level.I think if the Caf's mood is any expression of the fans mood then the feel good factor really isn't so great. But no Ole is not toxic in the way Mourinho was in his final season.
Erm, now let me think
Definitely not just on the Caf, its common sense really. We've had four managers since Sir Alex and have all been sacked over a 6 year period. What good is it bringing in managers if they're not able to build the team they want?What non-sense, Ole should be judged on what he has accomplished during 14-18 months he's been at the club. Makeup of the squad is on him, who he keeps, who he sells, who he renews, who he buys. That's is solely Ole's responsibility.
He's already spent £200m ffs, if we allow him to build his 'own team' it would require another £600m. Only on Caf do you still see folks peddling this argument about not judging managers untill they have completely built their own team.
Mourinho final season is still better than ole this season.I think if the Caf's mood is any expression of the fans mood then the feel good factor really isn't so great. But no Ole is not toxic in the way Mourinho was in his final season.
For me that's LDDLLLWD sackfeck me that's terrifying. I can genuinely see that being LWLLL
Let's hope Ole does another of his back from the dead routines and wins em all.
Holy heck! Thats appalling whichever way you look at it. I am still, barely, in the Ole in camp, and only giving him the benefit of the doubt due to injuries. But 9 in 30 in the league is troubling. Just hope we dont end up being a cup team of sorts.Oh, and we've won 9 league games in our last 30.
Break that into as many chunks as you like and try making it look pretty.
Yep we're that shit. Didn't take Ancelotti long to catch United up. If their form continues they'll be pushing for top 4 as Chelsea are dropping points all over the place. United on the other hand are where I think they'll finish, no higher than 8th could be lower. Probably should be thankful that Ole's excellent winning percentage should keep us in the prem.fecking hell. I've just realised Everton are above us right now. That's how bad it is.
Aye, tied himself in knots.@sugar_kane you tied to debate with this mob
He's part of the mob. Just the blind side.@sugar_kane you tied to debate with this mob
Who feels good? The fans being laughed at in 8th?Couldn't care less even if that is true(different players/starting point so it's unfair), go more on feel good factor, and it's currently higher than at any time since SAF left
Looking forward to a stat for that, no doubt some sad sap will be out there with Logarithm, Spreadsheets and Pie Charts brain working overtime, it's coming lads!
This is my problem atm with our situation.Why should Ole be given that time and leeway when other more seasoned experienced managers didn’t?