Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?


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Scholsey2004

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This sounds more like a director of football than an actual football manager/coach. He may be able to do all the things above, but the bottom line is, his coaching is shit and he is tactically inept. I would go as far as saying tactically he’s not even standard premier league level, never mind United level.

I think a lot of fans want the glazers and Woodward gone but it’s just not going to happen, so we have to work with what we have got. We need a quality manager with an attacking style of play, grasp of tactics and the mentality to handle a big club like United.

So far we have hired

1.Moyes clueless
2. Van Gaal dinosaur
3. Mourinho finished at top level.
3. Ole (see Moyes)
Rinse repeat forever then presumably.
 

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The main issue with Ole is the performances and results. You can forgive him for the club not signing enough players or not retaining certain players because these issues are strongly linked with Woodward and his negotiation team. But the performances have been shocking as have some of the results. By the sounds of it (on the radio) we don't seem coached at all. It seems like we have been like this for some time. I have been Ole out for some time now, and nothing has changed my view of this. His game management continues to be bizarre and you get the impression his decisions, as well as what he says during the interviews and press conference, are signs of a desperate man out of his depth. It has very similar vibes to Moyes.
 

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People saying he needs time can only be compared to a person claiming a drowning man who cannot swim will surface eventually.

This comparison also works well for our PL top 4 even EL ambitions.
They are either abusing or too stupid to understand what is a very good principle... “give a manager time“. But you give a manager time when you see that he deserves it. If after 12 months I could see a style of play, the football was exciting, and say every game we’d score 2 but concede 2 due to silly defensive errors I’d be up for giving the manager time.. Or if we defended well, played well, created chances, but didn’t score... I’d give the manager time.. because in both of these situations you know that the right signings will fix things
 
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They are either abusing or too stupid to understand what is a very good principle... give a manager time. But you give a manager time when you see that he deserves it. If after 12 months I could see a style of play, the football was exciting, and say every game we’d score 2 but concede due to silly defensive errors I’d be up for giving the manager time.. Or if we defended well, played well, created chances, but didn’t score... I’d give the manager time.. because in both of these situations you know that the right signings will fix things
Also you give a manager backing in the market when he deserves it. Ole has spent 130 m on seemingly mediocre defenders. Or is he coaching the abilities out of them? Well that's a completely different debate but if Jose got second place and did not deserve to be given backing in the market, what has Ole done to deserve millions more?
And as for this theory that apparently the players have to come first and then the style of play will somehow magically arrive, I really don't know whether to laugh or cry at such inanity.
 

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Well I have changed my mind about Ole now. He must go.
For a manager insisting on playing Mata and Pereira on the team when we have better young players available, It's just ridiculous. No brainer now, put someone in charge until the summer and bring in Potchetino.
Yeah I think we should do that too,who would you make caretaker until the summer just out of interest?
 

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Apparently, he only needs more time and money to sort this out because he is going in the right direction and showing "promise" United way since SAF retired. We have also went with the tried and tested and now we must be patience.

Nevermind we have being outplayed by Villa at OT. Nevermind the football style is dogshit. Nevermind we are nowhere near top 4. Nevermind our signings are average with world record deals. Nevermind we have such unbalance squad short of midlfiled and attacking players.
 

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The first thing I would like to say Ollie is a legend and comes across as a lovely guy who cares deeply for united, he'd do anything to get the club back to where it belongs. He has done the right thing on getting rid of the players who were bought over the last 6 years who were not fit to wear the Jersey. He has done the right thing in bringing in the youth Players who deserve a chance to wear the Jersey. I'd be a 100% behind him on getting the club back to basic on the "united way".
The problem he has is that he hasn't won enough matches, if he had it would give him the breathing space to buy in the players he badly needs. The vulture are out, and I'm afraid he'll do well to survive.
Tactically he has been found wanting and his interviews have become a joke to listen to. How he could say Lingard was great last week was a joke, if he really believe that lingard was good, he has a problem. The last few games we have been a shambles and should have lost both. Hopefully he can turn it around.
Our next 3 games will decide Ollie's faith.
 

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The first thing I would like to say Ollie is a legend and comes across as a lovely guy who cares deeply for united, he'd do anything to get the club back to where it belongs. He has done the right thing on getting rid of the players who were bought over the last 6 years who were not fit to wear the Jersey. He has done the right thing in bringing in the youth Players who deserve a chance to wear the Jersey. I'd be a 100% behind him on getting the club back to basic on the "united way".
The problem he has is that he hasn't won enough matches to give him the breathing space to buy in the players he badly needs and get the rid the players needs to get rid of. The vulture are out, and I'm afraid he'll do well to survive.
Tactically he has been found wanting and his interviews have become a joke to listen to. How he could say Limgard was great last week was fooling himself, if he really believe that lingard was good, he has a problem. I believe the last few games have been shambolic and we should really have lost both. Hopefully he can turn it around
Our next 3 games will decide Ollie's faith
 

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Ole needs to go pronto. A manager who can't manage games just isn't a United manager.
 

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There is 6 points between 5th and 16th. So after the next 2 games we could conceivably be in the bottom 10 and they will likely sack Ole but the thing to do is to sack him for the performances against Sheffield and Villa.. Not for losing against spurs and city... That would be so foolish and typical of Woodward.
 

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Ole look clueless in the dugout.
With this same squad, had Poch or a better manager been incharge from Gameweek-1, we could be definitely be in top 4 as a minimum.
 

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The first thing I would like to say Ollie is a legend and comes across as a lovely guy who cares deeply for united, he'd do anything to get the club back to where it belongs. He has done the right thing on getting rid of the players who were bought over the last 6 years who were not fit to wear the Jersey. He has done the right thing in bringing in the youth Players who deserve a chance to wear the Jersey. I'd be a 100% behind him on getting the club back to basic on the "united way".
The problem he has is that he hasn't won enough matches to give him the breathing space to buy in the players he badly needs and get the rid the players needs to get rid of. The vulture are out, and I'm afraid he'll do well to survive.
Tactically he has been found wanting and his interviews have become a joke to listen to. How he could say Limgard was great last week was fooling himself, if he really believe that lingard was good, he has a problem. I believe the last few games have been shambolic and we should really have lost both. Hopefully he can turn it around
Our next 3 games will decide Ollie's faith
A legendary footballer who is now destroying his legacy with each passing day. If he really has the best interests of the club his his heart he should walk now and not wait for the sacking. He has sold players, some deserving and some undeserving but also extended contracts of horrible players like Jones etc. At the same time he has bought bang average players for huge fees. Money which could have been spent wisely and not on chasing overrated English players. Critics are rightly bashing him. He has not even been able to imprint any sort of style even after 11 months. And now it seems we need to spend millions more in January. Hilarious.
 

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The first thing I would like to say Ollie is a legend and comes across as a lovely guy who cares deeply for united, he'd do anything to get the club back to where it belongs. He has done the right thing on getting rid of the players who were bought over the last 6 years who were not fit to wear the Jersey. He has done the right thing in bringing in the youth Players who deserve a chance to wear the Jersey. I'd be a 100% behind him on getting the club back to basic on the "united way".
The problem he has is that he hasn't won enough matches to give him the breathing space to buy in the players he badly needs and get the rid the players needs to get rid of. The vulture are out, and I'm afraid he'll do well to survive.
Tactically he has been found wanting and his interviews have become a joke to listen to. How he could say Limgard was great last week was fooling himself, if he really believe that lingard was good, he has a problem. I believe the last few games have been shambolic and we should really have lost both. Hopefully he can turn it around
Our next 3 games will decide Ollie's faith
United has many legends working as commentators and pundits. Seriously, Ole should be a youth coach.
 

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Many of his decisions are something I've been long on about. Getting rid of Fellaini, Smalling, Valencia, Darmian for example. He has someone actually playing on the right wing, a sight I haven't seen since Nani. He promotes youth at a high rate.

But then again he has massively misdiagnosed the problem in midfield. The big roles expected of Matic, Mata, Fred, Pereira and Lingard. I just can not understand how someone thought it was a good idea to go into the season without a new midfielder. Herrera left, Fellaini too but no one came in. Matic and Mata showed they were done last year, Pereira has never showed anything and Fred has massive flaws in his game. Lingard may float like a butterfly, but he certainly doesn't sting like a bee. The least threatening nr.10 I have ever seen.
If he wanted a midfielder and didn't get one he should be honest about it, it certainly would help fans think he'd have a clue.

The tactics, patterns of play and movement in the box look untrained. It's damning how the goalscorer he was can't get anyone to make the right runs into a box when a cross comes in.

The fact is we hired a failed Cardiff manager, backed him up with a failed Hull manager. A Russell Slade/Phil Brown equivalent combination And expected them to be so much more. The managers who've played under SAF have been mediocre at best and his assistants have not made many headlines as managers. To think this combination would work for an extended period of time was incredibly naive.

The squad he has is limited, and just poor in some departments. The injuries to Martial and Pogba have not helped. But the level of that squad that was assembled over the summer was just naive. Reeks of a yes man naively thinking the 90's way of doing things will just magically work out for him. And there still seems no real idendity about our play, other managers of lesser clubs have shown an identity can be forced in a few weeks.

I haven't wanted him out, but it's time to face the facts, he is just massively out of his depth.
 

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Ole was made permanent manager in March - since then th team has played 22 games and won just 6 - the fact is, that is relegation form. This season we are 14 games in and won only 4, the same number as Brighton and Newcastle. Palace and and Burnley have won more games that us....
I love Ole as a player, as a manager he does not have any proven track record and its now clear he should not have been appointed.
the squad is thin but there are internationals in every position, we should not be in this lowly position. Sorry Ole time to go.
 

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Still in the let's see where we are next Christmas crowd, but then i'm not, and never have been a spoilt little rich kid.
Sounds like you're more of a deluded, hopeful kid who thinks mummy will eventually get him the toy he asked for but it just never happens.
 

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Villa has the worst away record in the league but outplayed us at OT. They were gutted with a draw.

We supposed to blame this on the players? Or the excuse Villa simply has a better squad than us? Or no manager can do better than Ole with this squad?

I think it's time we all agree that our incompetent board had made a massive mistake appointing Cardif/Molde manager to lead the biggest rebuild for the biggest club in the world.
 

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Still in the let's see where we are next Christmas crowd, but then i'm not, and never have been a spoilt little rich kid.
You don't do your Ole in crowd any favours with stupid comments like this. :lol:
 

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At the end of the day he is a manager of the calibre of Molde and Cardiff. He was never going to succeed here. He's a United fan masquerading as a manager, which although sounds nice, is a job any of us could do.
 

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Before the season start, many of us already knew that Ed was throwing the season away with Ole appointment without a good transfer window backing him up.

Ole has no business leading us through the biggest rebuild in our history of Premier league with his mediocre CV.

Now his amateurish mistakes are so obvious. No style of play. Unbalanced squad. No game management. Stone age football. Yes man.

Even his supposed 3 good signings in the summer look dire now as our season progresses.
 

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Everything linked with the club stinks of mediocrity. Most of our players are shit, the manager is clearly out of depth and happy to settle for anything that isn't a sack, our fitness people turn players into fat bobs (Shaw, Lukaku, Anderson), the CEO finds it very hard to sign more then 3 players per summer.

Ole is part of the problem but sacking Ole alone won't sort the issue. We need a top to bottom restructuring possibly starting with the owners
 

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Still in the let's see where we are next Christmas crowd, but then i'm not, and never have been a spoilt little rich kid.
You must either be an opposition fan or hold very stupid ideas. As anyone who still supports Ole has to be one of the two now
 

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At the end of the day he is a manager of the calibre of Molde and Cardiff. He was never going to succeed here. He's a United fan masquerading as a manager, which although sounds nice, is a job any of us could do.
No way. Cardiff have some kind of standards. After 30 games and win percentage of 30% they sacked him.

After 24 games with less than 25% since made permanent, he is still at a job at United.

Molde won't take him either at this point, they are doing well - became champions with 14 points cushion. Odd or Viking might be interested, but it's not like his phone will be ringing that often eventually when he's finally sacked.
 

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We’re 22 points behind Liverpool and closer to relegation than top four.

Ole saying he’s not concerned about our league position ...he deserved to be sacked for that comment alone.
 

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He’a made us a miles worse team, therefore it’s better for the next manager.

Some serious mental gymnastics going on there.

Can people get it into their heads that selling “unlikeable” players and buying “likeable” ones doesn’t a better team make, if the table and results say we’re miles shitter then guess what?
The next manager will have fewer squad problems to solve. Given enough money, and if they buy well, they can much more quickly transform the team into something much better.

A lot of Ole's transfer business has been basically ok, there just wasn't enough of it. As a simple example, selling Lukaku and loaning out Sanchez seems fine to me given we looked a better team without Lukaku last season, and given how useless Sanchez has been, but we should have recruited at least one attacker. Letting Herrera go, though not entirely his choice, was ok, but he definitely should have been replaced, and all the more so given Matic seems to be being phased out (and for good reasons), and given Fred and Pereira have never looked like cutting it - we needed probably two midfielders in the summer. The AWB and James buys are fine, I think - I see James as someone who should really be an impact player at the moment but because we didn't buy another attacker he is first choice. Maguire is a bad signing IMO, not because he is a bad player, but because he was way too expensive and midfield was much more important.

Phasing out Mata, Matic, Jones, Smalling, Young etc. also seems reasonable. All this has just left us very thin - but with enough money it is easier to solve this now IMO.
 
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The table doesn’t matter anymore that expectations & ambition are non existent & he knows it
Even if thats the case for the directors and some of the fan base why is that the case for him and the players? Don't they want to play CL football. Surely being so poor also hurts their chances of selection for the Euros. Also Ole understands the club, he should know winning is part of the culture here at least its suposed to be.

How can you even be Ole in at this point? :lol:

Delusion at it's finest
I dont think theres a manager out there you could bring in who would improve this team. Bringing in a new manager at this point would just start a new cycle and take the pressure off Woodward and the terrible job hes done running the club. Ole gets till the end of the season, if we miss top 4 then he should go but Ed has to go with him.
 

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We’re 22 points behind Liverpool and closer to relegation than top four.

Ole saying he’s not concerned about our league position ...he deserved to be sacked for that comment alone.

Yeah, it really is that simple.

We'll see how the shareholders and sponsors feel about that, yeah, come January when we're in the bottom half or even close to the relegation zone?

Season ticket renewal time is approaching, Ole Yella. The only thing that matters to this board.

The back of the barn is approaching soon.
 

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I dont think theres a manager out there you could bring in who would improve this team.
You really believe that? We were runner up 2 years ago, ffs. Our squad on paper isn't nearly as bad as we look and play atm. Any goid coach would get alot more out of this group of players. We have a young and talented squad.
Ole gets till the end of the season, if we miss top 4 then he should go but Ed has to go with him.
Ole won't be her next year. I'm pretty sure of that. And Woodward will only leave under a new owner. As long as the Glazers are at the helm, they won't sack him. He brings them money.
 

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Glazer should suffer for hiring Ed as the COE. Without success, Glazer will seeing the club lose money. If that happen for 3-4 years then they will their cut lost and sell this club. I hope I see that day come earlier and later.
 

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Everyone was screaming murder when we lost to Sevilla under Mou just 2 years ago. Everyone was criticising LVG for his boring football and inability to get us top 4. Moyes was a joke when we were 7th.

Now everything is fine and dandy despite having only won 4 games with almost half the season gone. Because it’s Ole in charge. Because it’s one of us. Because he knows the club. Because it’s a rebuild.

What a fecking joke. When Liverpool did a painful rebuild they gave it to Klopp who won titles for Dortmund. When City revamp their aging squad they gave it to Pep who was one of the most decorated managers in the world along with a huge treasure box. When Juventue rebuilt after relegating they gave it to Conte who had at least achieved promotion to Serie A with Bari and Siena before. When RM is rebuilding now they give it to the manager who won them 3 CLs in a row. We... gave it to our club legend who won the league with Molde almost a decade ago but was close to bringing Cardiff to back-to-back relegation before being sacked.

We had been playing crap and achieving crap results for 8-9 months so this is no longer reactionary. Not crap when compared to other title challengers, but results so crap that it can be compared to relegation fodders. Yet people are satisfied. Boggles my mind.
 

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Still in the let's see where we are next Christmas crowd, but then i'm not, and never have been a spoilt little rich kid.
Didn't you say just a couple of months ago that Man Utd had a decent chance of winning the Premier League this season? Haven't you also posted in full support of Ed Woodward and the Glazers as owners? Are you just winding people up or is there something else going on? How could you have watched all those years of success under Alex Ferguson and learned absolutely nothing from it?