Didn't watch the game but base on the reaction, Ole screw up. Ole seems to be learning on go, how he start a game (Dan James), how he keeps playing Martial instead of Cavani, how he plays against lower team like top team. Ole isn't the man to take us to the top for sure. Like an apprentice learning his trade. This club is too big for him.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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I'll wait before jumping on Ole. We could beat RB next week and all of tonight's outrage will be wasted energy. The pressure however is on. How we might be on the verge of failing to qualify after taking 6pts and a +6 Goal difference from PSG and Leipzig is something else
I like him but I was "Ole out" since the end of the 1st half season because I knew we wouldn't win anything with him.
The worst thing is that incompetence is far superior in the management and organization of the club at all levels.
The worst thing is that incompetence is far superior in the management and organization of the club at all levels.
Aye, bang on bilbs.
Ole got it spot on until their scrappy second goal that was completely against the run of play, quickly followed by a ridiculous second yellow card that wasn't even a freekick.
Poor finishing is easily the main culprit today. We had effectively lost the game before Fred's yellow. You can't miss 3-4 sitters against PSG and expect to walk off the pitch with any points.
Poor finishing is easily the main culprit today. We had effectively lost the game before Fred's yellow. You can't miss 3-4 sitters against PSG and expect to walk off the pitch with any points.
Psg was 1-0 up, had another semi chance to go on 2-0 and we should have been with player less. Then next 30 minutes we dominated them.
Did we win the game? Did the two midfielders play well? Or better than Matic, Pogba or VdB would've played?
Because he is incompetent, novice, Norwegian league level manager.
He is stupid too. Every manager in the world would have taken Fred off, but him, he thought he is some special genius manager by keeping Fred on, but he eventually proved everyone criticising him right and he is stupid.
Don't you get it? Doesn't matter if we beat RB, Ole not got what it takes.
I guess you missed the game we should have won comfortably not for the wild ineffectiveness of our forwards.
No one is debating the decision to leave Fred on, but this is such a hot garbage take.
This team are growing all the time. I dont know what people expect to be honest. We arent just suddenly going to start pissing on Europe's best and be perfectly clinical, but in reality PSG were done tonight. They didnt fancy it. We'd taken their strong start and then pretty comprehensively outplayed them, and this is a team with Mbappe, Neymar, Marquinhos etc.
We'll do some damage in the knockouts if we can make it out of this group.
The decision to leave Fred on is just unforgiveable for me.
It's easy to tell when a player is on the edge - near enough any other manager in the world would have taken him off. Even if he thinks he's a better option than those on the bench, having your 2nd choice playing on the pitch is better than the likelihood that we'd end up playing with 10 men.
Let's say Fred doesn't get a red 2nd half. It most likely means he's not really made a tackle the whole 2nd half. He's sent a midfielder out there against PSG in a game like this who is not allowed to make a challenge. It's absolutely ludicrous. In a game like this you need to make tactical fouls also which is not an option for him.
It's such a shame because he's not done badly at all on balance tonight, we played well and the headbutt is not Ole's fault, our laughable finishing is not Ole's fault. However to not make such an obvious decision really shows he's not switched on in the slightest.
It's easy to tell when a player is on the edge - near enough any other manager in the world would have taken him off. Even if he thinks he's a better option than those on the bench, having your 2nd choice playing on the pitch is better than the likelihood that we'd end up playing with 10 men.
Let's say Fred doesn't get a red 2nd half. It most likely means he's not really made a tackle the whole 2nd half. He's sent a midfielder out there against PSG in a game like this who is not allowed to make a challenge. It's absolutely ludicrous. In a game like this you need to make tactical fouls also which is not an option for him.
It's such a shame because he's not done badly at all on balance tonight, we played well and the headbutt is not Ole's fault, our laughable finishing is not Ole's fault. However to not make such an obvious decision really shows he's not switched on in the slightest.
I don’t think any of those are the reasons, he has Phelan and Carrick there too putting in their input.
For some bizarre reason the management team thought it a risk worth taking, something I could have understood slightly if we needed 3 points.
My guess... they all think Fred is simply too vital.
Anyone with half a brain would substitute Fred at half time.
I know he doesn't have what it takes, at least not in my opinion but can at least try to be fair with criticism rather than going on a victory lap every time he shows it
Let’s not forget the decent decisions he made against Southampton.
He needs to learn from tonight though. Can’t leave a player on in that situation, after escaping a red for the butt and also playing a team of shithouses.
He needs to learn from tonight though. Can’t leave a player on in that situation, after escaping a red for the butt and also playing a team of shithouses.
“Forwards” plural? Seems harsh Tom.
Martial missed some big moments, and it cost us dear.
Easy to say take Fred off but we’re nowhere near as mobile or good at winning the ball back with Matic or Pogba in there alongside McTominay so swings and roundabouts.
That wasn’t the reason we lost anyway, it made it more difficult for the last 15 mins but we lost because we didn’t score when on top as per.
That wasn’t the reason we lost anyway, it made it more difficult for the last 15 mins but we lost because we didn’t score when on top as per.
Seeing as we dominated their midfield until Fred got sent off they were probably onto something.
Man needs to use his subs
We had more chances. Fred was an idiot for sure though. Martial was crap. This isnt all on Ole as much as you want it to be.
We were playing some great football before their sucker punch and the red card.
Its frustration and nothing else.
we really didn’t finish the game with 11 players. Not sure what makes you think we would’ve with Fred in the last 15/20 minutes?
agree though, should’ve took Fred off earlier. Bad decision, bur shouldn’t cost the man his job (not saying you said that, hit from what I read on this thread).
Yes our midfielders played very well. Did you see Veratti much tonight? Did you see Neymar hiding in the 2nd half? Did you see the foothold we had on this game between minute 15 and Freds sending off?
I missed that game. I watched the game where Man Utd were good against another top side but that side had more shots, more possession and we were lucky that we didn't stayed with 10 players with being one goal down.
And yeah, we lost the game. Now we should be happy because we gave a good fight to mighty PSG?
And the organ in his head called the brain.
2 years ago psg would play us off the park, now we are the better team when we play them, that is down to Ole.
So if a player gets a yellow card in the first half from now on I hope I see you all saying he should be taken off, if a player gets a red card it’s on the player, not the manager.
So if a player gets a yellow card in the first half from now on I hope I see you all saying he should be taken off, if a player gets a red card it’s on the player, not the manager.
Thats the thing I don't get with people on here defending Ole. PSG are the best at shithousery in world football and Fred was fouling left, right and centre prior to escaping a red for a head butt.
That is so much fortune and then to try to stretch it out further by keeping him on was just a ridiculously naive decision.
Still now Fred will miss the last game too. It is smarter to take him off and do not risk that red card.
We could have changed to 5 man defence and played for the result on the counter.
1. No he didn't, no one does and no one thinks it should be done. But he did it sometimes, when the situation demanded it. I think thats called a judgement call, with Ole's judgement in this situation obviously being poor.
2. Yeah, we were the better team but no one can say if we wouldn't also have "dominated" if Matic or Pogba or VdB were there in Fred's place. What I can say is, we would've been 11 players on the pitch and I don't think we would've necessarily conceded 2 more goals. Keep in mind that a draw would have seen us through, maybe just shut up shop with Matic for example.
3. No, but he was pretty much a dead man walking from the incident before, no one was really shocked to see him sent off with a soft yellow. No one except Ole apparently, that is.
4. No, what he can be blamed for is selecting terrible finishers and not subbing them. Over and over again. Martial just isn't in finishing form, everyone knows it. If the plan is to play him into form, do so against West Ham, not in a crucial CL tie. Start Greenwood, VdB, anyone. Play a 2 striker formation. Anything. It's not like Ole is powerless here. It's his fecking job to find solutions, not to hide behind "problems". Also, as far as I know, the rules allow you to make changes before the 71st minute, if you start e.g. Martial and it's obvious he won't score, maybe utilize that.
So yeah, I guess that's what you thought anyway
We literally knocked them out of this competition two years ago
I don't think it's that necessarily, but they want to be proven right regarding Ole.
I get your point though.
At this point, I don't think some on here want our manager to do anything except for cheerlead on the sidelines.
No we should all pool into the negativity and complaining circlejerk instead of looking at upsides. You take the lead
You do realise that psg had some excellent chances too and failed to score.
Possession and shots(which was pretty close btw) doesn't mean shit. The quality of the chances is what matters. If you don't think we were the better team until Fred got sent off, then I don't know how to discuss football with you.
Fred was fouling for fun in first half before his lucky yellow and you also use your brain and appreciate that we are talking about Fred, not Mct or Matic and also that PSG are cnuts for play acting, inciting fouls and general shit housery. This is 100% the game you don't risk it.
Edit : and by 'your brain' I mean the manager not you personally.
Yeah I noticed those. They did come after ours, so I'll take that.
Listen, I'm not saying PSG didnt deserve anything. But they were some colossal mistakes from our players away from being knocked out tonight.
The result you’re talking about was due to Ole, but they were still better than us in that tie, not anymore.
Club legend = much leeway given.
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