When playing for Palace he is often the guy that is marked of the pitch but still he finds the space, at Spurs the opposition couldn’t do that.
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
It's still very different being the main man and being second fiddle to some players at Spurs that have proven themselves to be excellent already. I dunno, I think his spell here made me a bit wary of someone spending big money on him again.
He was what, 20 when he joined you? Still raw potential, and he was at a Moyes led united. He's clearly since managed to turn his career round. It's fair play having doubts about him but basing anything off his time at United five years ago when he was still an up and comer is very harsh, plenty of young players fail at big clubs then make it later on.
Had Zaha in my 'underrated EPL team of the season', think he has grown his game at Palace although still feel he needs to do more without the ball to make it at Spurs. Also a lot of competition for spots, Pochettino seems to favour 4-2-3-1 so realistically you have Eriksen, Alli, Son, Lamela, Moura, Sissoko, and Zaha if he goes to Spurs. I guess Sissoko and Alli could get pushed further back to occupy midfield and Son can fill in as a striker.
Don't see both Martial and Zaha going to Spurs.
Don't see both Martial and Zaha going to Spurs.
That competition sounds great, the likes of City have Mahrez, Sane, Bernardo Silva, Sterling, De Bruyne, Silva etc as possible options in those positions, so I don't see an issue with the options we have, especially since the likes of Sissoko get gametime and Lamela regularly starts for us. The season is long, the sides who win trophies have that depth, we need players who can cover if the likes of Eriksen/Son get injured. Currently we have options who 'do a job' but don't offer anywhere near the same kind of quality.
We definitely wouldn't sign both, I think we've moved on from Martial now and to be honest I'm glad. I'd prefer Zaha, though I personally doubt we'll get him because Levy will baulk at the kind of price Palace would demand and we aren't in a strong negotiating position.
City have that luxury because of the wages on offer and the chance for easy trophies. Spurs currently offer neither and players won't be willing to sit on the sidelines for that.
All the City players I mentioned got plenty of games last season. We're fighting on multiple fronts and if we shipped out Sissoko (which I hope will happen, though we'll struggle to find a buyer) we will hardly be struggling to give them gametime. Yes, we'll never quite be on City's level in this regard because of the money they can offer, but we can certainly be better than we are right now.
Does anyone know what the buy-back clause is? If we're selling a centre back to buy a centre back, not buying a left back and not going for an expensive option on the right...
Who can you see outside the premier league offering 100 million for Martial before August 9? I can't really see anyone who will pay that for him outside the PL. Until that happens we won't be signing a new right winger. If it happens and someone stumps up the cash then I'd imagine it will most like be Rebic but possibly Pulisic as they are what Jose is looking for. Zaha would be awesome though
Spurs don't really play with wingers anymore, do they? Thought they were more of a 4-2-2-1/3-4-1-1 type of team? Alli and Eriksen are the attacking midfielders but tend to play more centrally with the FB's getting forward and providing the width - Zaha could probably rotate with them in that position and he'd probably be pretty dangerous.
I'm not really sure Martial has any bearing on this. But it seems he's mentally checked out and we've got all month to find a solution to his transfer, especially when we'd prefer to sell him outside of the Prem. In any case, neither him or Rashford are suited (or have shown they can be) to the right side of attack and unfortunately it looks like Alexis won't be utilised there at all.
Is Rebic any good? I wasn't overly impressed with him at the World Cup bar that one tasty finish. Pulisic is probably overrated and would cost quite a lot. But we have that much referred to buy-back clause but I've no clue what it is, for Zaha..
I'm really torn about this, if it does happen.
Zaha is a great player undoubtedly and so important to Palace.
My main recollections of him against us is him absolutely destroying our defence. Repeatedly. He was like a one man wrecking ball. Until the last step. He'd go through 3-4 players and then mess up his cross. He'd mess up the pass. He'd mess up the one on one.
Now obviously he'd be aiming at Kane, Eriksen and Alli as opposed to Benteke, Townsend etc but who knows whether the end product would improve at a team with better players.
And I do struggle to see us smashing our transfer record by so much.
Either way, he has really become such a great player now.
Zaha is a great player undoubtedly and so important to Palace.
My main recollections of him against us is him absolutely destroying our defence. Repeatedly. He was like a one man wrecking ball. Until the last step. He'd go through 3-4 players and then mess up his cross. He'd mess up the pass. He'd mess up the one on one.
Now obviously he'd be aiming at Kane, Eriksen and Alli as opposed to Benteke, Townsend etc but who knows whether the end product would improve at a team with better players.
And I do struggle to see us smashing our transfer record by so much.
Either way, he has really become such a great player now.
Give the man what he wants plus Moyes’ daughter as a bonus and bring him in.
fecks sake we need someone with pace, energy, strength and technique. If I see another abject display from Mata just walking around and being bullied off the ball I’ll go catatonic.
fecks sake we need someone with pace, energy, strength and technique. If I see another abject display from Mata just walking around and being bullied off the ball I’ll go catatonic.
I did wonder yesterday if we do have a buy back for Zaha? Either way he's another one who plays from the left so not what we need
Zaha always gives City a tough time, I think he’ll do well wherever he goes. He’s a constant annoyance.
I think he'll be similar or even better than Mane if we get him. He is ready to step up now.
shock horror Fergie was right again.
Not a top 4 player and the talk of £75m for him is utterly ridiculous.
His FA cup final performance against United highlighted this for me.
His FA cup final performance against United highlighted this for me.
I'd take him for our RW position in a heartbeat.
Agree with @TheReligion, tried looking for the video of him against Spurs at wembley last season, when he ran past everyone and missed an open net. Sums him up nicely for me.
He's been getting better and better and is worth a lot to Crystal Palace, the difference between relegation. Can see why they would ask for so much.
It's a sellers market too especially at this stage of the transfer window. He'd add a lot to a team like Spurs but Levy wouldnt pay that money.
It's a sellers market too especially at this stage of the transfer window. He'd add a lot to a team like Spurs but Levy wouldnt pay that money.
He's talented no doubt but I don't think people watch him all that much apart from when he does something good..
He's often very frustrating.
He strikes me as a player that is a bit of a nuisance to play against when he's at a team like Palace, but I'm not sure he's got the quality to do it as regularly as needed at a top team. I remember the last game of the 16/17 season when we played all our youngsters against Palace and he was crap. Think it was Mitchell that kept him under control all game.
Besides, his form seemed to improve once he got moved centrally last year. He's not the answer to our RW problems imo.
Besides, his form seemed to improve once he got moved centrally last year. He's not the answer to our RW problems imo.
People say he's not a RW or that he played badly against us in the Cup final. Here's the video of him in the cup final, playing as a RW.
Considering how inferior the rest of their team was to ours he did pretty well for me. Couple of bad crosses and failed to connect with a volley, but great all around play. Good tracking, great speed and strength, good movement and passing in general, nearly set up two goals. If that's a bad performance then feck me, what are those we've been watching from Mata in the last 2 years then?
I'll remind you the scorn we poured on Liverpool for signing Mane from Southampton who was the same, in the sense that he looked a handful but in an inferior team and people said he wasn't a top 4 player or whatever.
As for the valuation, as others have said, for Palace he's the difference between staying in the Prem or dropping out. Hard to value a player like that below £60m given what Palace would have to spent to even get close to replacing him and the risk of missing out on £100m worth of revenue from the EPL if they drop out.
I just feel Zaha in this team would be a menace. I don't know if he'd get double figures on goals. But he'd be a massive improvement over our right wing.
Considering how inferior the rest of their team was to ours he did pretty well for me. Couple of bad crosses and failed to connect with a volley, but great all around play. Good tracking, great speed and strength, good movement and passing in general, nearly set up two goals. If that's a bad performance then feck me, what are those we've been watching from Mata in the last 2 years then?
I'll remind you the scorn we poured on Liverpool for signing Mane from Southampton who was the same, in the sense that he looked a handful but in an inferior team and people said he wasn't a top 4 player or whatever.
As for the valuation, as others have said, for Palace he's the difference between staying in the Prem or dropping out. Hard to value a player like that below £60m given what Palace would have to spent to even get close to replacing him and the risk of missing out on £100m worth of revenue from the EPL if they drop out.
I just feel Zaha in this team would be a menace. I don't know if he'd get double figures on goals. But he'd be a massive improvement over our right wing.
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We do, or at least its been mentioned in the press before. Same as with Januzaj and Depay.
Would be very interesting what price we could get him for...
At the time he was sold the talk was about a sell-on clause not a buyback clause. If my memory serves me right it is 25% of any fee that Palace can get for him.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...ecover-entire-wilfried-zaha-fee-10020513.html
EDIT: There's definitely a sell-on fee but the actual percentage is private. The 25% mentioned right and left sounds plausible. Since for United getting their money back would require us to get 10m or for Zaha to be sold for £40m. Which at 2015 (pre Pogba, Neymar, Coutinho etc.) would have been an absolutely immense amount of money.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/f...selves-over-Crystal-Palace-star-Wilfried-Zaha
Seems like some say he does have a buyback option but
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/04/1...-in-2012-could-manchester-united-return-happ/
others say no, so who knows
We've got a quote from Palace owner and chairman Steve Parish saying there is one. That HITC article has no sources and after all, who the feck are HITC and Dan Coombs?
No, yours says we have a sell on fee not a buyback fee
Oh I see. Fair enough I didn't read the post properly.
No problem. At least we know now
We should bring him back, atleast we'll have a real right winger.. .
Would love him back. In big games when Jose will characteristically park the bus Pogba supplying long balls to Lukaku Zaha and Sanchez can create havoc
I do and I agree with you. I don't think he can make the step up. He is perfect where he is.
Regardless of whether he's good enough to play for us/we should bring him back or whatever... if we didn't implement a buy back option when we sold him, then that is incredibly stupid.
Surely he has to be worth more than Richarlison if Palace sells?
I've watched a lot of Palace this season and they were completely transformed when he returned. I believe a Palace fan on here also believes he could have a Mane like impact at a bigger side, so I don't think it's fair to say people who think he's good enough haven't watched him enough. He's frustrating but that's to be expected for a player of his ilk, he takes a ton of risks and is extremely direct, so it won't always come off. He also beats a man for fun and is an absolute nightmare for defenders because he's not only rapid and strong, but also extremely dangerous with the ball at his feet.
His decision making isn't the best, but has markedly improved while at Palace, and he's perfectly capable of improving even more under a top manager and learning from other top players. He has all the tools to succeed anywhere he plays imo, a manager who gives creative freedom to his players (Klopp as the best example) would get fantastic results out of him I feel. He's basically the only threat at Palace, the likes of Benteke are trash tier players so he ends up getting triple marked because the opposition is absolutely aware of how dangerous he can be. Like I said, the difference between Palace with and without him is so stark.
Personally, I'd have loved him at Spurs. The pricetag is insane but that is the reality of our current market, to Palace he's absolutely worth 60-75m because the threat of relegation would be very real if they lost him.
It isn't though.
Very few clubs accept sales with a buy back option. It means that if he turns really good there's a cap on how much the club could earn from that. Also the club is forced to accept the bid that meets the clause, regardless of how convenient or not the timing is. Like half-way through a critical season for example. That's too much risk with too little upside.
A sell-on fee on the other hand requires the club to willingly accept a bid and doesn't limit the upside potential on how much money they could make. It's more palatable for the buying club if they are getting a good deal.