Ah yeah my bad it was Moshiri...
Zlatan tells Lukaku "‘Go do your voodoo s***, you little donkey"
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19 pages in this thread and everyone is only concerned about what was said, rather than why there was an argument in the first place. Clownworld.
I mean it's quite obvious why there was an argument, they've been sniping at each other through the media and both trying to assert themselves as the top dog and it's been building up. What did you think the argument was about?
Since many aren't getting the context of the 50 pounds/dollars comment.
In an October 2019 interview with Gazzetta dello Sport, the Swede said: "Don't expect good technique from Lukaku. His best strength is sheer power – if only he'd listened to me.
"At Manchester United, we made a bet: 'I'll give you £50 for every decent first touch you make'. He replied: 'What do I win if I get them all right?' I told him nothing, he would simply become a better player.
"For the record, he never accepted the bet! Perhaps he was afraid of losing..."
He added: “Joking aside, Lukaku has this mad hunger to prove himself to the world and I'm sure he will do well at Inter too.”
In an October 2019 interview with Gazzetta dello Sport, the Swede said: "Don't expect good technique from Lukaku. His best strength is sheer power – if only he'd listened to me.
"At Manchester United, we made a bet: 'I'll give you £50 for every decent first touch you make'. He replied: 'What do I win if I get them all right?' I told him nothing, he would simply become a better player.
"For the record, he never accepted the bet! Perhaps he was afraid of losing..."
He added: “Joking aside, Lukaku has this mad hunger to prove himself to the world and I'm sure he will do well at Inter too.”
Thank you!
(I don't watch Italian football and don't intend to. (Just curious as to why 2 former United guys are moaning about each other. Could care less about a voodoo occupying a racist woodshed)
agree.
many players with shit technique has been called donkey.
Many white footballers have also been compared with animals due to their looks.
No I haven’t. I’ve made a comment based on what I’ve observed and logic.
I used an example from my experience at school about voodoo slurs being used against African kids and the guy asked “if I went to high school in Africa”pretty idiotic reply. Does he think that there are no African kids outside of Africa ?
Also logically. We see that racial/ethnic stereotypes are often used racially. Telling a Chinese person to “go eat a dog” is a racist insult or joke, jokes about curry or cow pee to Indians are racist, the same applies to voodoo it’s stereotypically something only said towards people of West African origin.
I see your point, but there's no winner to this argument
People will always see it differently.
The “Zlatan was just referencing a Moshiri quote” thing is totally irrelevant. If an opposition player had told Park to “go eat a dog” arguing that it was referencing a chant would not remove the racial element from the insult.
As someone mentioned earlier, if this is acceptable because it was intended as a wind up then so to in principle was Suárez telling Evra “I’m kicking you because you’re black”.
As someone mentioned earlier, if this is acceptable because it was intended as a wind up then so to in principle was Suárez telling Evra “I’m kicking you because you’re black”.
I’d say if it was, as Zlatan said, based on the Everton thing, then it’s less racist more similar to being offensive to someone because of their religion or beliefs... (I know lukaku is a Christian).
I think the build up is the stuff the media tends to love, @GifLord posted a couple of the tweets, and I think there's been a couple more comments over the last few months. I think from a media perspective the rivalry is something they can exploit for clicks
That's just, like, your opinion man. Lukaku never accused Moshiri of racism either, he just threatened to sue him for libel or something.
I don’t totally disagree but it is based on a racist stereotype. You could argue that Zlatan was ignorant of the racial element but in that case he should have come out and apologised, saying that he didn’t understand this at the time.
Instead he comes out with his usual self serving nonsense and gives further justification to the “PC gone mad” crowd and gives the actual racists another insult they can use without consequence.
If you repeat some weird racist shit, to the original target of that racist shit, in an attempt to upset them, then you are being racist.
Ibrahimovic should be banned. I very much doubt he will be.
Ibrahimovic should be banned. I very much doubt he will be.
It’s coincidentally the opinion of the vast majority of people who actually know what they’re talking about.
It really is that simple. Thank you!
For all we know, they probably had a laugh about it afterwards.
This should really give the Italian ultras an idea for their next letter explaining their actions.
"There's nothing racist about the monkey chants we did, we were just referencing this other time it happened."
I'm worried they're gonna started talking about wooden sheds.
Voodoo is a religion, just without a central authority. Does that fact make it ok to use it as a term of offence, or for it to be taken as such? Anyone on the caf practice voodoo? For all it's media associations with doll stabbing and agonizing deaths, its practioners seem refreshingly hard to offend, at least in this instance. Haven't heard a squeak out of them yet. Can imagine the furor if Ibrahimavich had yelled "Go practice your Islamic/Scientologist/[fill in blank] shit". I commend the voodooists for their calm reaction!
I mean it was just in the heat of the game, next week everybody will have forgotten about it. Just two player having a quarrel.
No black or white Donkey/cart horse is the tag given to a footballer with awful technique.
Would he have said that he does Voodoo if he didn't have African heritage?
The two are not related.
I very much doubt it. Lukaku's reaction especially was pretty strong, i don't think they're the best of friends.
If the Moshiri thing never happened and he thought it up himself, then it would be dodgy. But as soon as someone brought up that incident as context, this should immediately be a non issue.
Lukaku seems like an emotional guy and the two used to be teammates, thats why I think it was just a heated moment where stupid things were said. Zlatan is obviously aware of the memes surrounding the guy and knew which buttons to push.
This. Except people will be determined to find a way to make it racist.
There has to be a balance.
Ibra isn’t stupid, he wouldn’t repeatedly shout something intentionally racist in a silent stadium with cameras and lip readers watching for good measure.
You could see he was on the wind up, Rom bit. Handbags.
Knowing and having been around those religions, people aren't hard to offend. The difference is that they will rely on their gods to do what needs be done, with the help of prayers.
Zlatan wasnt attacking his race, he was attacking Lukaku himself which id argue its even worse. He used an anectodal experience to piss off Lukaku, but its not racist because he isnt making discrimination or generalization based on the color of Lukaku's skin, he's stating a fact because of a past experience involving Lukaku.
It wasnt racist whatsoever guys, drop it. I find it really annoying how there is more noise around the whole "voodoo" thing than around the fact that Lukaku just casually threw around rape suggestions involving Zlatan's wife.
For example, im Mexican. Let say i just so happened to be Zlatan's teammate for a couple of seasons, and he always saw me eating beans every day with every meal, and everyone on the dressing room would give me shit for it. Then few years later im the rival of Zlatan, and in the heat of the moment Zlatan tells me to "go eat your fukin beans". Would that be racist? IMO it wouldnt. What would be too much would be if i replied to him talking about raping his wife and shooting him on the head.
You guys dont find a problem with how Zlatan is being seen as the villain or the racist here?
Another example, hypothetically speaking lets say im an asian lady that has totaled 6 cars in the past, i cant drive for shit. Then one day i get into an argument with my neighboor about whatever, and she tells me to go crash another car and leave her alone. Is that racist? I dont think so
It wasnt racist whatsoever guys, drop it. I find it really annoying how there is more noise around the whole "voodoo" thing than around the fact that Lukaku just casually threw around rape suggestions involving Zlatan's wife.
For example, im Mexican. Let say i just so happened to be Zlatan's teammate for a couple of seasons, and he always saw me eating beans every day with every meal, and everyone on the dressing room would give me shit for it. Then few years later im the rival of Zlatan, and in the heat of the moment Zlatan tells me to "go eat your fukin beans". Would that be racist? IMO it wouldnt. What would be too much would be if i replied to him talking about raping his wife and shooting him on the head.
You guys dont find a problem with how Zlatan is being seen as the villain or the racist here?
Another example, hypothetically speaking lets say im an asian lady that has totaled 6 cars in the past, i cant drive for shit. Then one day i get into an argument with my neighboor about whatever, and she tells me to go crash another car and leave her alone. Is that racist? I dont think so
Wait, Lukaku said he'd rape Zlatan's wife? When was that? Not in the stuff I've heard.
My only knowledge of Voodoo is former WWE great Papa Shango
I have a hard time buying that.
"I'll chuck a grape at your wife" maybe.
Well, ive only ready this thread but supposedly he said he was going to fuk his wife.
I mean, if we are being obtuse about it we can say Zlatan's wife may give consent to Lukaku, but then that speaks about the hypocrisy of your argument when you condone Zlatan so harshly for something anecdotal and ignore Lukaku's remarks about messing with another man's wife.
Where have I condemned Zlatan so harshly?
They both acted like morons.
feck does not equal rape by the way. Big, big, big difference.
"I'll feck you and your wife" is what he seemed to have said. "I will shoot you in your head" is also something he seemed to have said.
Now one can interpret the first statement as "Feck you and your wife" which would not seem much than someone flipping the finger. Adding "I will" at the start makes it open to interpretations.
Second statement is quite clear I guess.
Yeah sorry, i wasnt talking specifically about you, i was making a generalization for people that are trying to condone Zlatan and make it seem as this terrible racist person and just give Lukaku a pass with his much worse remarks.
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Nah you are the one who is fundamentally misinterpreting the terms by trying creating a context which doesn’t exist. Then when being challenged, you go on cowardly sprouting some pretentious nonsense in order to hide from your own false claims which were fundamentally constructed from flawed logic. Not very smart.
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One match ban for both. Isn't that harsh on Romelu (not that I watched the game)?
If Zlatan had done that in England I wonder what the punishment would be.
If Zlatan had done that in England I wonder what the punishment would be.
Lukaku went mental. Both deserve the same.