Ah yeah my bad it was Moshiri...Isn't that old news related to him seeking legal advice about what Moshiri said
Ah yeah my bad it was Moshiri...Isn't that old news related to him seeking legal advice about what Moshiri said
I mean it's quite obvious why there was an argument, they've been sniping at each other through the media and both trying to assert themselves as the top dog and it's been building up. What did you think the argument was about?19 pages in this thread and everyone is only concerned about what was said, rather than why there was an argument in the first place. Clownworld.
Thank you!I mean it's quite obvious why there was an argument, they've been sniping at each other through the media and both trying to assert themselves as the top dog and it's been building up. What did you think the argument was about?
agree.Crouch also got called donkey a few times in the past.
No I haven’t. I’ve made a comment based on what I’ve observed and logic.Or maybe you've made a sweeping generalisation and decided that you're the authority on the cultural and social workings of school children of certain ethnicities.
Opinion isn't fact and certainly doesn't give you the right to decide the intelligence or lack of, as it would be, of other posters.
I see your point, but there's no winner to this argumentNo I haven’t. I’ve made a comment based on what I’ve observed and logic.
I used an example from my experience at school about voodoo slurs being used against African kids and the guy asked “if I went to high school in Africa”pretty idiotic reply. Does he think that there are no African kids outside of Africa ?
Also logically. We see that racial/ethnic stereotypes are often used racially. Telling a Chinese person to “go eat a dog” is a racist insult or joke, jokes about curry or cow pee to Indians are racist, the same applies to voodoo it’s stereotypically something only said towards people of West African origin.
I’d say if it was, as Zlatan said, based on the Everton thing, then it’s less racist more similar to being offensive to someone because of their religion or beliefs... (I know lukaku is a Christian).The “Zlatan was just referencing a Moshiri quote” thing is totally irrelevant. If an opposition player had told Park to “go eat a dog” arguing that it was referencing a chant would not remove the racial element from the insult.
As someone mentioned earlier, if this is acceptable because it was intended as a wind up then so to in principle was Suárez telling Evra “I’m kicking you because you’re black”.
I think the build up is the stuff the media tends to love, @GifLord posted a couple of the tweets, and I think there's been a couple more comments over the last few months. I think from a media perspective the rivalry is something they can exploit for clicksThank you!
(I don't watch Italian football and don't intend to. (Just curious as to why 2 former United guys are moaning about each other. Could care less about a voodoo occupying a racist woodshed)
That's just, like, your opinion man. Lukaku never accused Moshiri of racism either, he just threatened to sue him for libel or something.The “Zlatan was just referencing a Moshiri quote” thing is totally irrelevant. If an opposition player had told Park to “go eat a dog” arguing that it was referencing a chant would not remove the racial element from the insult.
I don’t totally disagree but it is based on a racist stereotype. You could argue that Zlatan was ignorant of the racial element but in that case he should have come out and apologised, saying that he didn’t understand this at the time.I’d say if it was, as Zlatan said, based on the Everton thing, then it’s less racist more similar to being offensive to someone because of their religion or beliefs... (I know lukaku is a Christian).
It’s coincidentally the opinion of the vast majority of people who actually know what they’re talking about.That's just, like, your opinion man. Lukaku never accused Moshiri of racism either, he just threatened to sue him for libel or something.
It really is that simple. Thank you!If you repeat some weird racist shit, to the original target of that racist shit, in an attempt to upset them, then you are being racist.
Ibrahimovic should be banned. I very much doubt he will be.
For all we know, they probably had a laugh about it afterwards.It’s coincidentally the opinion of the vast majority of people who actually know what they’re talking about.
This should really give the Italian ultras an idea for their next letter explaining their actions.If you repeat some weird racist shit, to the original target of that racist shit, in an attempt to upset them, then you are being racist.
Ibrahimovic should be banned. I very much doubt he will be.
I'm worried they're gonna started talking about wooden sheds.This should really give the Italian ultras an idea for their next letter explaining their actions.
"There's nothing racist about the monkey chants we did, we were just referencing this other time it happened."
No black or white Donkey/cart horse is the tag given to a footballer with awful technique.I thought so too. Even the donkey comment. A lot of white people constantly compare black people to animals - not good to hear.
Would he have said that he does Voodoo if he didn't have African heritage?Sorry I am confused. Can someone explain to me how "voodoo shit" is racist? I thought racism referred to skin colour not religious beliefs.
The two are not related.Would he have said that he does Voodoo if he didn't have African heritage?
I very much doubt it. Lukaku's reaction especially was pretty strong, i don't think they're the best of friends.For all we know, they probably had a laugh about it afterwards.
If the Moshiri thing never happened and he thought it up himself, then it would be dodgy. But as soon as someone brought up that incident as context, this should immediately be a non issue.Would he have said that he does Voodoo if he didn't have African heritage?
Lukaku seems like an emotional guy and the two used to be teammates, thats why I think it was just a heated moment where stupid things were said. Zlatan is obviously aware of the memes surrounding the guy and knew which buttons to push.I very much doubt it. Lukaku's reaction especially was pretty strong, i don't think they're the best of friends.
This. Except people will be determined to find a way to make it racist.If the Moshiri thing never happened and he thought it up himself, then it would be dodgy. But as soon as someone brought up that incident as context, this should immediately be a non issue.
Knowing and having been around those religions, people aren't hard to offend. The difference is that they will rely on their gods to do what needs be done, with the help of prayers.Voodoo is a religion, just without a central authority. Does that fact make it ok to use it as a term of offence, or for it to be taken as such? Anyone on the caf practice voodoo? For all it's media associations with doll stabbing and agonizing deaths, its practioners seem refreshingly hard to offend, at least in this instance. Haven't heard a squeak out of them yet. Can imagine the furor if Ibrahimavich had yelled "Go practice your Islamic/Scientologist/[fill in blank] shit". I commend the voodooists for their calm reaction!
Wait, Lukaku said he'd rape Zlatan's wife? When was that? Not in the stuff I've heard.Zlatan wasnt attacking his race, he was attacking Lukaku himself which id argue its even worse. He used an anectodal experience to piss off Lukaku, but its not racist because he isnt making discrimination or generalization based on the color of Lukaku's skin, he's stating a fact because of a past experience involving Lukaku.
It wasnt racist whatsoever guys, drop it. I find it really annoying how there is more noise around the whole "voodoo" thing than around the fact that Lukaku just casually threw around rape suggestions involving Zlatan's wife.
For example, im Mexican. Let say i just so happened to be Zlatan's teammate for a couple of seasons, and he always saw me eating beans every day with every meal, and everyone on the dressing room would give me shit for it. Then few years later im the rival of Zlatan, and in the heat of the moment Zlatan tells me to "go eat your fukin beans". Would that be racist? IMO it wouldnt. What would be too much would be if i replied to him talking about raping his wife and shooting him on the head.
You guys dont find a problem with how Zlatan is being seen as the villain or the racist here?
Another example, hypothetically speaking lets say im an asian lady that has totaled 6 cars in the past, i cant drive for shit. Then one day i get into an argument with my neighboor about whatever, and she tells me to go crash another car and leave her alone. Is that racist? I dont think so
I have a hard time buying that.Lukaku said he'd rape Zlatan's wife?
"I'll chuck a grape at your wife" maybe.I have a hard time buying that.
Well, ive only ready this thread but supposedly he said he was going to fuk his wife.Wait, Lukaku said he'd rape Zlatan's wife? When was that? Not in the stuff I've heard.
Where have I condemned Zlatan so harshly?Well, ive only ready this thread but supposedly he said he was going to fuk his wife.
I mean, if we are being obtuse about it we can say Zlatan's wife may give consent to Lukaku, but then that speaks about the hypocrisy of your argument when you condone Zlatan so harshly for something anecdotal and ignore Lukaku's remarks about messing with another man's wife.
"I'll feck you and your wife" is what he seemed to have said. "I will shoot you in your head" is also something he seemed to have said.Wait, Lukaku said he'd rape Zlatan's wife? When was that? Not in the stuff I've heard.
Where have I condemned Zlatan so harshly?
They both acted like morons.
feck does not equal rape by the way. Big, big, big difference.
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Nah you are the one who is fundamentally misinterpreting the terms by trying creating a context which doesn’t exist. Then when being challenged, you go on cowardly sprouting some pretentious nonsense in order to hide from your own false claims which were fundamentally constructed from flawed logic. Not very smart.dear people. Please read this guys reply and the comment he replied to. Is he being intentionally obtuse or is he just not too intelligent. Regardless, it does show that in some debates people either lack sincerity , or they lack the intelligence to understand complex nuances of a topic.
Lukaku went mental. Both deserve the same.One match ban for both. Isn't that harsh on Romelu (not that I watched the game)?
If Zlatan had done that in England I wonder what the punishment would be.