yeah a lot of agenda driven posts these past couple days. strange when ando has done pretty well in most of his performances this season.I think you're all bonkers, the lad has been excellent in at least 90% of his performances this season and one game has you all writing him off again.... nutters the lots of you.
I feel sick.Let's see here a little:
Madrid - Khedira
Barca - Busquets
City - Barry, Garcia
Chevski - Mikel
Juve - Vidal
Bayern - Matrinez
are players who play in Carrick's position in other big clubs. Only Busquets is clearly better than Carrick, while Carrick is better than most of others.
Talking about Carrick of last year.
For me he simply could not have done more than he has this season to show what a player he is and then still, one not brilliant game away in the CL playing in a weakened team and he's written off again. I shouldn't be shocked though, fickle football fans after all.yeah a lot of agenda driven posts these past couple days. strange when ando has done pretty well in most of his performances this season.
IMHO Fletcher, Scholes Giggs and Anderson need replaced with new players as Carrick is our only midfielder that is a cert to start and finish the game thats not good enough for Utd.I may be the only here to hold this view, but I believe Carrick has done a very nice job for us the last five or six seasons. And at times, he's actually been sensational. But at the very least, he does a quietly effective job, neither disgracing himself nor showering himself in glory. Ruling out Barcelona, Real and Bayern of course, I'd say Carrick would get a hard look by the likes of Chelsea (better than Mikel IMHO), City (better than Barry IMHO) and Arsenal (not better than Wilshere, but Carrick would comfortably settle in under Wenger).
Cleverley is still relatively new to the first team. He has to be judged somewhat differently than Ando, who's been on the first team for four or five years. But no, Cleverley would not push aside Xavi, Iniesta, Ozil, Modric, Mata, Hazard, Silva, Cleverley or Cazorla.
Giggs and Scholes fall into a different bucket completely. But a fair assessment of Scholes in the second half of the 11/12 season is that he was arguably the English prem's top midfielder. Not today, however, as Father Time shows no mercy whatsoever.
Kagawa? I suppose he's technicallly listed as a forward but I consider him a midfielder. Sure, he'd get a sniff from all the top clubs. Barca and Real are already amply stocked with some of the top midfielders we will ever see in our lifetimes, but Kagawa surely would raise eyebrows at Chelsea and City.
I'm a huge fan of Nick Powell, about whom I will be sharing a new post from strettynews shortly. Suffice it to say that Powell has already shown brilliance in his short time in a red shirt already. You want to be cautious in your praise of teenagers but since only a thousand or so people on the planet are aware of the caf it's probably safe to say that we may be seeing the early days of a United legend.
Ando? We've been waiting for what seems like an eternity for a run of good performances and just haven't see it yet. We're all willing to wait longer, but not for another eternity.
Or it could just be, you know, that not everyone shares your opinion.For me he simply could not have done more than he has this season to show what a player he is and then still, one not brilliant game away in the CL playing in a weakened team and he's written off again. I shouldn't be shocked though, fickle football fans after all.
I think everyone here agrees that he's been excellent in pretty much every performance in the Premier League this season so that's a "shared opinion" Brophs.Or it could just be, you know, that not everyone shares your opinion.
People are more likely to post in a player's thread/moan about them when they're pissed off. That's not knee jerk or anything to do with on here, it's just human nature. You'll find it on every forum, at every pub table etc.Says a fair bit about the knee jerk reactions on here though that when a player plays well you get a few heads in a thread pointing it out, then a bad(I thought he was alright personally) game comes along and threads fire in to life.
I'm certain most would prefer to be proven right.For me it just begs the question, do we want these players to do well or would we rather be proven right in the end?
I don't think he's been excellent in every performance in the Premiership and doubt it is a consensus.I think everyone here agrees that he's been excellent in pretty much every performance in the Premier League this season so that's a "shared opinion" Brophs.
My "opinion" that we shouldn't then write him off after one offish game away in the CL playing in a weakened team is well, the reason I aint fickle.
But carry on fella....
I just find it weird when fans act like that. You're not going to like every player but finding the smallest things to have a gripe out is really strange. There was a poster going apeshit because Ando had 2 poorly hit crosses in succession when he's not really a corner kick taker. He's had worse performances at this club but none of them have been this season. The worst he's been is around a 6.5/10 yet some would have you believe it's a 4/10.For me he simply could not have done more than he has this season to show what a player he is and then still, one not brilliant game away in the CL playing in a weakened team and he's written off again. I shouldn't be shocked though, fickle football fans after all.
No it's really not Brophs. It's a cultural thing.People are more likely to post in a player's thread/moan about them when they're pissed off. That's not knee jerk or anything to do with on here, it's just human nature. You'll find it on every forum, at every pub table etc.
Is that so.... hmmmm. Doesn't look that way reading back through the thread. And yeah, I did mean English games rather than PL, as he's not had that many chances in the Prem.I don't think he's been excellent in every performance in the Premiership and doubt it is a consensus.
I think everyone here agrees that he's been excellent in pretty much every performance in the Premier League this season so that's a "shared opinion" Brophs.
My "opinion" that we shouldn't then write him off after one offish game away in the CL playing in a weakened team is well, the reason I aint fickle.
But carry on fella....
I was going to reply, but I'm probably better echoing the above, since he said it better than I would have.I don't think he's been excellent in every performance in the Premiership and doubt it is a consensus.
His two best games were in the Carling Cup, particilarly the Chelsea game.
Would like to see him get a run of games now, mind you, but saying he's been excellent in every PL match is over the top.
SadlyI'm certain most would prefer to be proven right.
What culture are we talking about? This is an international forum. Surely you get a reasonable representation on here.No it's really not Brophs. It's a cultural thing.
So now Anderson hasn't look excellent this season, right ok my bad.I was going to reply, but I'm probably better echoing the above, since he said it better than I would have.
These are almost balanced out by the performance last night and away to Braga the latter of which was like playing with 10 men he was that bad
Everton(away), Stoke(home) and Arsenal(at home).Is that so.... hmmmm. Doesn't look that way reading back through the thread.
Give me a couple of PL games in which he hasn't been excellent then please pal, should be easy.
UK specifically. Ah but they aren't representative of every culture out there. I think the moaning is more representative of people's attitudes more so than human nature. Such a statement implies it's universal, which it's just not.What culture are we talking about? This is an international forum. Surely you get a reasonable representation on here.
No, he hasn't looked excellent as he's had some bad games. Obviously he's had more good games than bad, but IMO he hasn't been "excellent in pretty much every PL game" nor could it be said that "he simply could not have done more than he has this season to show what a player he is".So now Anderson hasn't look excellent this season, right ok my bad.
5 minutes playedEverton(away)
20 minutesStoke
30 mins and the general consensus was that he did well when he came on.and Arsenal(at home).
Please re-read my last post where I said, "yeah, I did mean English game, rather than PL as he's only started 1 of them"Some other decent outings along the way but certainly not excellent every PL game.
He hasn't even played many minutes in the PL. He's got to be the lowest along with Fletcher in terms of the amount of minutes played.No, he hasn't looked excellent as he's had some bad games. Obviously he's had more good games than bad, but IMO he hasn't been "excellent in pretty much every PL game" nor could it be said that "he simply could not have done more than he has this season to show what a player he is".
Well, not really as you said he has been excellent in every performance in the PL this season, you did not state starts, did you. You asked for examples and now because you're original point was complete bollocks, you are trying to laugh it off. Just using you're own daft logic, pal.5 minutes played
20 minutes
30 mins and the general consensus was that he did well when he came on.
Ridiculous post this one.
Given that it's pretty clear my description could only have referred to football fans, how could I have been suggesting it's universal? If you want to quibble over the semantics of "human nature" v "people's attitudes" have at it.UK specifically. Ah but they aren't representative of every culture out there. I think the moaning is more representative of people's attitudes more so than human nature. Such a statement implies it's universal, which it's just not.
In the game he's started this season he's been very good.No, he hasn't looked excellent as he's had some bad games. Obviously he's had more good games than bad, but IMO he hasn't been "excellent in pretty much every PL game" nor could it be said that "he simply could not have done more than he has this season to show what a player he is".
You put in Everton away, he played 5 mins, he could neither be good nor bad. Hence.... ridiculous post, no debate on that.Well, not really as you said he has been excellent in every performance in the PL this season, you did not state starts, did you. .
Who said last night ruined it all? Just because I don't agree he has been quite so good as excellent, doesn't mean that's the case.Very limited chances to do as well as he has, but yeah, last night ruins it all.
Fickle, fickle, fickle.
hmmm...Are you going name his excellent performances this season in the league or keep dodging the question. If it is a consensus it would be piss easy to prove.
Anderson's obviously not been excellent in every performance in the Premier league this season. His best displays have been in another competition for a start..
Is that so.... hmmmm. Doesn't look that way reading back through the thread. And yeah, I did mean English games rather than PL, as he's not had that many chances in the Prem.
feckwit.Please re-read my last post where I said, "yeah, I did mean English game, rather than PL as he's only started 1 of them"
How about you take a perusal over the thread below
I put in Everton away because YOU said he had been excellent in every PL performance this season and that this was a consensus.You put in Everton away, he played 5 mins, he could neither be good nor bad. Hence.... ridiculous post, no debate on that.
I know full well he didn't have a great game vs BragaHow about you take a perusal over the thread below
https://www.redcafe.net/f6/ratings-vs-portuguese-arsenal-braga-361335/
You'll see apart from two silly cnuts who gave him a 7 the highest he got from anyone was a 6 and the majority gave him 4's and 5's
Can you not read?Most of your examples now are from Europe and the Carling Cup which shows how bullshit you're original point was.
I didn't say you said it. Posters here have though.Who said last night ruined it all? Just because I don't agree he has been quite so good as excellent, doesn't mean that's the case.
You edited the post after you got called out on the point about him being excellent in every PL appearance. Check the post I originally responded to in the quotes above. The hilarious thing is you can't even give an example of one excellent performance in the PL and according to you it's a consensus.hmmm...
feckwit.
He's played ONE PL game Ole.The hilarious thing is you can't even give an example of one excellent performance in the PL and according to you it's a consensus..
I then thought, feck yeah I obviously mean English games as the fecker has just 1 PL start. So I edited my post to reflect that, but you'd already clicked the quote button. I've tried 3 times since then to refer you to it but for some reason you actually think I mean PL... which if we're both honest, offers fecking zero for either of our arguments on Ando's season, because he's played one fecking game!Anderson's had 3 good games this season (imo)
At home to Newcastle in the CO Cup
Away to Cluj
Away to Chelsea in the CO Cup