Where is the myth coming from that he spent the money on shite? It's quite the opposite.
Malky Mackay | Sacked by Wigan Athletic
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I think there's only been one casualty in Spain. Maybe two. The Italians seemed to have calmed down. The Premier League is the new Serie A.
Aye, it's ridiculous. They showed a stat on SSN earlier showing Brendon Rodgers and Paul Lambert are the joint 3rd longest serving managers in the league at their respective clubs as they've been there a whopping 18 months
I think that Darren Ferguson is the 9th longest serving manager in England (L2 and up) and he's in his 3rd season!Aye, it's ridiculous. They showed a stat on SSN earlier showing Brendon Rodgers and Paul Lambert are the joint 3rd longest serving managers in the league at their respective clubs as they've been there a whopping 18 months
Pretty much every Cardiff fan I know backed Malky, and I know a lot.
Cardiff had been in the playoffs 3 seasons in a row prior to the promotion.
The money invested was hugely necessary...even for a 17th placed survival. Their squad would be distinctly average if you took out Caulker, Medel and to some extent Odemwingie.
The signing of Cornelius will probably only benefit them if they do stay in the league on a long term basis.
Now though? Unless they get a really good manager and Tan doesn't interfere, I can't see anything other than relegation. When all this stuff kicked off a month or so ago when Tan was upset about Mackay saying he'd like the opportunity to dip into the market...that's when it had a wider affect.
They possibly should have performed better than they did, but they have to be realistic...they've been promoted into one of the hardest leagues to stay in at the 4th time of asking. As long as they survive they can call it a success.
The underlying issue is another foreign owner who can't accept the fact that it takes many many years to develop a club into something meaningful and marketable outside the postcodes of the local city. He's got his heart set on making it a marketable and global enterprise. Its a burden rather than ambitious.
The money invested was hugely necessary...even for a 17th placed survival. Their squad would be distinctly average if you took out Caulker, Medel and to some extent Odemwingie.
The signing of Cornelius will probably only benefit them if they do stay in the league on a long term basis.
Now though? Unless they get a really good manager and Tan doesn't interfere, I can't see anything other than relegation. When all this stuff kicked off a month or so ago when Tan was upset about Mackay saying he'd like the opportunity to dip into the market...that's when it had a wider affect.
They possibly should have performed better than they did, but they have to be realistic...they've been promoted into one of the hardest leagues to stay in at the 4th time of asking. As long as they survive they can call it a success.
The underlying issue is another foreign owner who can't accept the fact that it takes many many years to develop a club into something meaningful and marketable outside the postcodes of the local city. He's got his heart set on making it a marketable and global enterprise. Its a burden rather than ambitious.
Indeed, I can't believe anyone can side with Tan on this one.
Medal is looking a very good player.
They had beaten Swansea and drawn with us and were looking good for a fairly comfortable finish.
If they end up dishing out the extras on the appearance add on's it will mean the player has been successful.
Tan had cash and allowed it to be spent, I see no issue here. If they had not spent the cash the probably wouldn't stay up and Makay would be sacked anyways,
I think he has been threaded disgracefully and Tan represents all that is wrong with football, he wanted success and wanted it it straight away and you dont get that in football you have to work at it.
I hope Ole tells him where to stick his job offer.
I hope Ole tells him where to stick his job offer.
Sportsmail can also reveal a sell-on clause in defender Steven Caulker’s contract.
Caulker was bought from Tottenham for £11m but, if they decide to sell him, Cardiff must pay 50 per cent of any transfer fee over £11m to Tottenham.
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Caulker was bought from Tottenham for £11m but, if they decide to sell him, Cardiff must pay 50 per cent of any transfer fee over £11m to Tottenham.
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Not to mention a win over Man City too.
Tan will get his just deserts because any sane manager will not go anywhere near that job. The way this has all happened publicly, the "resign or sacked" email... It's disgraceful and I haven't seen anything like it in my entire life. At worst you see the sack and then tide tails come out. But to get a day by day commentary on the BBC or wherever is just ludicrous.
That email was blatantly leaked by Mackay's people. Unless people were CC'd or BCC'd in, only Mackay and Tan should know about it.
You know I'm not so sure... Every single episode in this saga from start to finish has been public. I can't see Mackay doing that. Completely agree logic would state it's from Mackays people, and it certainly is to his benefit I guess.
But when it comes to Tan, common sense may be incorrect.
Mackay may get his chance to mess up at West Brom.So it hasn't worked out to bad for him.
Grasping at straws, rpitroda.
Tan have come out publicly and stated that too much laundry was taken to the public, which should include the e-mail.
Mackay's people have not gone out and said it wasn't them after Tan's comment, so there really is no reason to believe that he lied about it and especially when all logic says it was Mackay.
Besides that I'd like to say that i get the feeling that getting a team up and getting them to stay requires different things, most managers who come up lack both luck and skills to keep them up and will rightfully go down again.
Mackay might have been the right man to get them up, but not the right guy to get them to stay in the Premier League.
Tan have come out publicly and stated that too much laundry was taken to the public, which should include the e-mail.
Mackay's people have not gone out and said it wasn't them after Tan's comment, so there really is no reason to believe that he lied about it and especially when all logic says it was Mackay.
Besides that I'd like to say that i get the feeling that getting a team up and getting them to stay requires different things, most managers who come up lack both luck and skills to keep them up and will rightfully go down again.
Mackay might have been the right man to get them up, but not the right guy to get them to stay in the Premier League.
Not been in the bottom 3 all season and everything was somewhat rosy up until 2 weeks ago, at least from a regular person's mind bearing in mind this is a newly promoted team.
Over the last few years, teams such as Burnley, Crystal Palace and Derby who had woeful points totals and were flat at the bottom of the league made informed decisions to sack incompetent managers replacing them with either someone like Tony Pulis (which has worked out so far, which rarely happens) or someone even worse.
The clear problem is Tan wanted a massive return on the summer spend with a higher league position. He's made it clear he wants to make Cardiff City a marketable football brand in the Eastern part of the world. He's slapped 'Malaysia' on their shirts for crying out loud...a government sponsor. It's a very unrealistic Premier League strategy in the first year. It's all about steady progress.
Cardiff have been a nearly club in the promotion chase for a few years now so it didn't need much to push them over the line. Staying in the Premier League is what will be hard work. It's not a guarantee but I'm personally quite convinced Mackay would've been somewhat capable of maintaining Premier League status if the cloud hadn't descended upon him from the owner. It started with the sacking of Iain Moody and more importantly the ludicrous replacement all the way down to Vincent Tan making it known he was 'upset' by Mackay cutting an interview answering a question about maybe wanting 2 or 3 more players if possible. Such a terrible thing to say?
I just hope good young managers like Ole stay away. It's bound to smell of Blackburn/QPR with stupid owners having no clue how to run a football club properly. Follow the models of, West Brom (a well run club up until the weird sacking of Clarke) and Stoke who have been up for a while now without flirting too much with relegation and dismissed their manager this summer gone in a more diplomatic way. None of these clubs have expected instant success or amazing returns on investments in the team.
The way from mid-table to bottom 3 is 3 points as of now. It's so close that you can't really go by that argument.
The rest of your input i can both understand and agree with, i wasn't arguing that Tan is a good owner, just that i Mackay might not have been the guy to make them stay up and push forward and the owner is in all his rights to do what he thinks is necessary to push forward.
And again, it's obviously Mackay who took things public so he could save some face and make Tan look like the only bad guy in all this, when in truth both of them 'deserved each other'.
The rest of your input i can both understand and agree with, i wasn't arguing that Tan is a good owner, just that i Mackay might not have been the guy to make them stay up and push forward and the owner is in all his rights to do what he thinks is necessary to push forward.
And again, it's obviously Mackay who took things public so he could save some face and make Tan look like the only bad guy in all this, when in truth both of them 'deserved each other'.
Mackay possibly had a hand in this famous email going public but...
"Chief executive Simon Lim says Tan feels Mackay has had sufficient funds to keep the club in the Premier League.
He added ex-recruitment boss Iain Moody had been removed amid a £15m overspend.
Cardiff's summer signings
Andreas Cornelius (£7.5m, from FC Copenhagen)
John Brayford (£1.5m, from Derby)
Simon Moore (Undisclosed, from Brentford)
Steven Caulker (£8m, from Tottenham)
Gary Medel (£11m, from Sevilla)
Kevin Theophile-Catherine (£2.1m, from Rennes)
Peter Odemwingie (£2.25m, from West Brom)
"As such, he [Tan] has stated that not a single penny will be made available in January," said Lim.
In a statement issued by the club, Lim said: "Tan Sri Vincent Tan was extremely upset to read quotes from the manager concerning the possibility of new recruits, before he had been informed whether funds would be made available."
From the BBC it was the Chief exec who went public. Surely he's Tan puppet as opposed to Mackay?
Tan was so distraught that he immediately sanctioned unlimited transfer funds to Mackay's big-name successor.
How can you be so ignorant to what's come forth about onmatter?
Mackay took it public to save face. As Benitez would say: Fact.
It's not really open for discussion as things stand.
Was it right? I think he was in every right to take it public as he was going to get fired anyway but that doesn't mean that Tan made the decision of 'taking the laundry public'.
That comment from the chief was on Tan's feelings on the money Mackay had available to deal with. It's Mackay who went out and acquired those players, it's got nothing to do with the e-mail.
As someone else mentioned: Cardiff was one of the clubs who used the most money on transfers this year.
It's not like Mackay didn't have any backing at all. Tan didn't think his investments were good enough or that he didn't do well enough on the pitch with those investments and so wants to replace him.
It's in his right to do so as the owner. (don't misunderstand this as supportive of Tan, i'm just thinking that Mackay is also to blame in the grand scheme of how things went)
5 of my mates are Cardiff season ticket holders. Their take on the situation is pretty interesting. All of them are of the opinion Vincent Tan is a lunatic for various reasons including the rebrand. However, they all accept that Malky Mackay had gone as far as he could go and the time was right for a change. Some believe he should have been sacked earlier. They all give the opinion of a cracking bloke but a manager who had one style of play which was ultra defensive with no plan B. Shit on a stick and Anti Football is how they describe it. They were under no illusions that this season was going to be easy and to finish in 17th position come May would be a major achievement. They have been moaning about the style of play for over a year but accepted it as they limped over the line to the Premier League.
This season they were full of hope after the owner backed MM in the transfer window and plenty of new faces arrived at the club. It didn't last very long
MM and Moody splashed out 10 million on Cornelius and Brayford. A young unknown striker and a full back described by MM as "the best in the championship." Cornelius was injured pre season and still hasn't started a match. In his cameo performances he's looked nothing like a Premier League striker. Brayford was so poor in pre season that MM went out and bought Catherine to play right back and Brayford hasn't even made the bench so far. They then picked up Odemwingie who's been dreadful. To cut a long story short only Caulker and Medel have made an impact and the rest of the money was wasted. So I'm guessing Tan would be pretty pissed at his investment being thrown away.
By the sounds of things MM has played a blinder over the last few weeks getting all the fans and the football world in general behind him whereas Tan has become the evil Pantomime villain with the dodgy dress sense. One other snippet is that everything that has gone on in Cardiff this season has somehow, always been scooped by the Daily Mail. They have had first dibs on all the gossip. Until the leaking of the personal email several names were suspected of being the mole in the camp. Only one man could have leaked the email for personal gain.
This season they were full of hope after the owner backed MM in the transfer window and plenty of new faces arrived at the club. It didn't last very long
MM and Moody splashed out 10 million on Cornelius and Brayford. A young unknown striker and a full back described by MM as "the best in the championship." Cornelius was injured pre season and still hasn't started a match. In his cameo performances he's looked nothing like a Premier League striker. Brayford was so poor in pre season that MM went out and bought Catherine to play right back and Brayford hasn't even made the bench so far. They then picked up Odemwingie who's been dreadful. To cut a long story short only Caulker and Medel have made an impact and the rest of the money was wasted. So I'm guessing Tan would be pretty pissed at his investment being thrown away.By the sounds of things MM has played a blinder over the last few weeks getting all the fans and the football world in general behind him whereas Tan has become the evil Pantomime villain with the dodgy dress sense. One other snippet is that everything that has gone on in Cardiff this season has somehow, always been scooped by the Daily Mail. They have had first dibs on all the gossip. Until the leaking of the personal email several names were suspected of being the mole in the camp. Only one man could have leaked the email for personal gain.
Talks ongoing as Ole Gunnar Solskjaer edges closer to Cardiff City position
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9096496/
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9096496/
Here's the Google translation:
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer will be for the TV 2 Sport has learned presented as the new Cardiff manager before Saturday's 3 rundekamp in the FA Cup away against Newcastle.
At 10:50 took a private jet with registration 9M-TAN from the Kvernberget airport in Kristiansund bound for Luton, London.
The aircraft is registered in Malaysia and owned by Berjaya Air, which is owned by Cardiff-owner Vincent Tan.
Sources close to Molde management claims decided that Solskjaer is now lost to this year's Cup winner, and that it is only a matter of time before the Cardiff-owner Vincent Tan has been his favorite to succeed Malky McKay.
It also rhymes with activity Kvernberget airport in Kristiansund 1 New Year, where Tans private jet took off towards London.
There has been much back and forth in the British media about Solskjaer's candidacy in Cardiff. The Guardian has also reported that Solskjaer first to have rejected the offer, but the same newspaper and several other British media turned on New Year's Eve and reported that Solskjaer was still in the picture as the club's first choice.
TV 2 Sport is aware that negotiations should have been going on for a while, and that the agreement at the closest was finalized during Christmas. Now Cardiff complete a hectic Christmas and New Year program before Solskjaer evidently being presented as the club's new manager before next weekend's cup match.
Solskjaer managed to win two league titles and one cup trophy with Molde before the journey now goes further back to the Premier League, this time as manager.
It is not the first time a private jet taking off from Kvernberget with Solskjaer board. Last time it was Aston Villa owner Randy Lerner who flew into kristiansund fans. At that time it was nothing of the manager job in England - Vincent Tan and Cardiff had more luck with his request to Solskjaer.
No Molde management has commented on the imminent appointment of yet. Solskjaer had six months left on his contract at Aker Stadion.
Cardoff play against Arsenal at the Emirates Stadium at 16:00.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer will be for the TV 2 Sport has learned presented as the new Cardiff manager before Saturday's 3 rundekamp in the FA Cup away against Newcastle.
At 10:50 took a private jet with registration 9M-TAN from the Kvernberget airport in Kristiansund bound for Luton, London.
The aircraft is registered in Malaysia and owned by Berjaya Air, which is owned by Cardiff-owner Vincent Tan.
Sources close to Molde management claims decided that Solskjaer is now lost to this year's Cup winner, and that it is only a matter of time before the Cardiff-owner Vincent Tan has been his favorite to succeed Malky McKay.
It also rhymes with activity Kvernberget airport in Kristiansund 1 New Year, where Tans private jet took off towards London.
There has been much back and forth in the British media about Solskjaer's candidacy in Cardiff. The Guardian has also reported that Solskjaer first to have rejected the offer, but the same newspaper and several other British media turned on New Year's Eve and reported that Solskjaer was still in the picture as the club's first choice.
TV 2 Sport is aware that negotiations should have been going on for a while, and that the agreement at the closest was finalized during Christmas. Now Cardiff complete a hectic Christmas and New Year program before Solskjaer evidently being presented as the club's new manager before next weekend's cup match.
Solskjaer managed to win two league titles and one cup trophy with Molde before the journey now goes further back to the Premier League, this time as manager.
It is not the first time a private jet taking off from Kvernberget with Solskjaer board. Last time it was Aston Villa owner Randy Lerner who flew into kristiansund fans. At that time it was nothing of the manager job in England - Vincent Tan and Cardiff had more luck with his request to Solskjaer.
No Molde management has commented on the imminent appointment of yet. Solskjaer had six months left on his contract at Aker Stadion.
Cardoff play against Arsenal at the Emirates Stadium at 16:00.
Even though I have sympathy for Mackay, in the interests of balance, this story doesn't look especially great for him.
Cornelius is a great talent. They should stick with him.
How does the arrival of Jones push Cornelius down the pecking order when Jones was swapped in for another forward?
Cornelius has been injured quite a lot hasn't he?
Cornelius has been injured quite a lot hasn't he?
Ole clearly doesn't like so he's as well cutting his losses early imo for both parties.
No one can bottle it in the Premier League and turn back home, tails between their legs quite like the Scandinavians can.
Yeah, the same thing happened with that Forren bloke, didn't it?
As I said a month ago, some of Mackay's signings were truly shocking. Brayford and Odemwingie have been shown the door already by OGS and Cornelius will follow. Mackay had plenty of support from the media etc but the majority of Cardiff fans I know could see his failings a long time ago.5 of my mates are Cardiff season ticket holders. Their take on the situation is pretty interesting. All of them are of the opinion Vincent Tan is a lunatic for various reasons including the rebrand. However, they all accept that Malky Mackay had gone as far as he could go and the time was right for a change. Some believe he should have been sacked earlier. They all give the opinion of a cracking bloke but a manager who had one style of play which was ultra defensive with no plan B. Shit on a stick and Anti Football is how they describe it. They were under no illusions that this season was going to be easy and to finish in 17th position come May would be a major achievement. They have been moaning about the style of play for over a year but accepted it as they limped over the line to the Premier League.
This season they were full of hope after the owner backed MM in the transfer window and plenty of new faces arrived at the club. It didn't last very long
By the sounds of things MM has played a blinder over the last few weeks getting all the fans and the football world in general behind him whereas Tan has become the evil Pantomime villain with the dodgy dress sense. One other snippet is that everything that has gone on in Cardiff this season has somehow, always been scooped by the Daily Mail. They have had first dibs on all the gossip. Until the leaking of the personal email several names were suspected of being the mole in the camp. Only one man could have leaked the email for personal gain.
Pretty odd to sell someone for such a huge loss so soon afterwards, you'd think they'd at least loan him out to hope he gets some form and attracts more attention by the end of the season first. Can't lose much more than 7.5m > 3m for a 20 year old by the end of the season anyway. Unless he legitmately is just a very poor player.
Still its pretty damning they've got rid of about 12m worth of player they signed in the summer transfer window already, in hindsight based on that I don't think Moody can have many complaints about being sacked as director of football - you have to have some accountability. He might have got Caulker and Medel right but they came with a huge outlay beyond the reach of Cardiff's compeititors.
Still its pretty damning they've got rid of about 12m worth of player they signed in the summer transfer window already, in hindsight based on that I don't think Moody can have many complaints about being sacked as director of football - you have to have some accountability. He might have got Caulker and Medel right but they came with a huge outlay beyond the reach of Cardiff's compeititors.
Pretty well sums up whats gone on
Mackay is still hanging around waiting for West Ham to fire Big Sam.
I think they played Odemwingie as a winger predominantly.
Cornelius has been injured most of the season and he's just a kid. It says more about the way Cardiff is being run that they are offloading him for a huge loss already than it does about Malkay's ability in the transfer market.
Brayford cost £1.5 million, it's hardly a huge catastrophe that it didn't work out.
You have to take a few punts at that kind of money when you are the size of Cardiff. They brought in Noone and Kim for similar fees and they look like very shrewd purchases. Sometimes those punts won't work out, but they are needed because they can't go out and buy proven quality like Medel and Caulkner for every position.
Brayford cost £1.5 million, it's hardly a huge catastrophe that it didn't work out.
You have to take a few punts at that kind of money when you are the size of Cardiff. They brought in Noone and Kim for similar fees and they look like very shrewd purchases. Sometimes those punts won't work out, but they are needed because they can't go out and buy proven quality like Medel and Caulkner for every position.
Yea but he's still a forward. Campbell, Bellamy, Jones. Those are his competition. A loan move back to Denmark to get his football boots on wouldn't be bad. When he get's back, Bellamy is probably gone and Jones will have been Jones and about to be 30. Offloading Cornelius would be a big mistake, any way you look at it.
Cornelius has been fit for over 2 months now and isn't even first choice in the development team. He is just a kid, but Moody and Mackay scouted him and took a massive gamble on raw potential which was clearly over rated. It hasn't taken Ole long to suss out that he isn't of the standard required, especially as he bases his whole ethos on working with young players.