I know I was livid hearing that but when he spoke about it in detail, he did say the first incident was a foul and the pen was very soft so not sure why he said it was stupid in the first instance.
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I watched a replay of the match on BeIn Sports and Keown was calling Rafael an idiot, claiming he reacted stupidly after he didn't get the free kick. Kept banging on about how Rafael and how he's rash for the rest of the game too!
Blaming Rafael for conceding the penalty is like when someone's wife gets caught cheating and you're blaming the guy for letting his wife cheat on him.
Well seeing as he had Blind and Smalling covering IIRC, I personally think he shouldn't have made any contact. I also feel he should have went goal side of Vardy.
Did he even have time to get ahead of Vardy, keep in mind he was getting up after a foul and back to his man. I thought he did not do much wrong, it was a fair contact shoulder to shoulder and the player went down theatrically having already made his mind up to dive.
I can see the wisdom in going goal side if vardy would have beaten him to the ball, however, rafa clearly was going to be first to the ball and imo was clearly fouled, did well to get up quickly and get back in position and was undone by a total Ashley Young Hollywood dive. Absolutely without a doubt one of the worst moments of refereeing I've seen in a long time. Clattenburg should see red for that call.
I thought what happened yesterday must have been crushing and hope he doesn't let in linger on his mind too much. He was rounding into some really good form and consistency while staying injury free (knock on wood). His crossing from the right wing has been a breath of fresh air after having to endure Valencia as a wing back for a while.
It's a contact sport, you're allowed to touch opposition players. If you don't, you won't get close enough to a to even think about making a tackle.
Me too. For this reason I hope LvG defended him a lot more in private than he did in public.
You mean for the 1 game prior this last one? with it... making a grand total of 2 games total?
Regardless if he's to blame for that particular penalty/goal or not, this kind of situation is still occuring far, far too often with Rafael, who's now into his 6th year.
It was occurring too often with Rafael, but I wouldn't include that situation with the others. As everyone knows, he did nothing wrong and barely even touched him. If it genuinely happens again, feel free to point out that flaw of his.
I agree. I just feel there's a time and a place to come into close contact with a player, and although the Vardy's dive was ridiculous, I don't think Rafael had to get that close on that occasion as he had a sufficient amount of cover.
Also, as I said before, if Rafael went goal side instead of the blind side of the ref, maybe Clattenburg would have seen the tackle more clearly, instead of being influenced by the crowd and Vardy's theatrics.
As soon as Rafael started chasing him from behind I said "It's going to be a penalty. Don't do it Rafa".
I watched powerlessly as the penalty was given as I knew it would.
Rafael has always been rash. A good defender doesn't give the attacker and the ref the chance to make a call there.
The push beforehand should have been a foul, but it isn't uncommon to get away with it.
LVG is right. Rafa made a grave mistake and the team never recovered.
I watched powerlessly as the penalty was given as I knew it would.
Rafael has always been rash. A good defender doesn't give the attacker and the ref the chance to make a call there.
The push beforehand should have been a foul, but it isn't uncommon to get away with it.
LVG is right. Rafa made a grave mistake and the team never recovered.
I suppose we're asking a just clattered Rafael to make allowances for Vardy being a cheating git AND Clattenberk being totally hopeless - which is harsh obviously. But also, it's exactly the kind of weakness in his game that we expect to see. We are being harsh because of his previous, possibly a bit unfairly on this occasion. If it was a one-off we'd probably be saying yeah, unlucky, and blaming someone else! But you can't separate out, it being Rafael from an incident involving Rafael can you?
This also being just about the only possible excuse for twat-features with the whistle's 2nd decision and maybe why he didn't give the free kick in the first place. And that's out of order, for a ref to be thinking like that isn't it? Naive to think it doesn't happen though I suppose.
This also being just about the only possible excuse for twat-features with the whistle's 2nd decision and maybe why he didn't give the free kick in the first place. And that's out of order, for a ref to be thinking like that isn't it? Naive to think it doesn't happen though I suppose.
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Hard to watch him getting stick for it tbh. It's Bayern all over again. Yellow carded when he himself should of had a foul and then a second yellow which was never a yellow. How he didn't get given the foul is beyond me, and the penalty isn't even a penalty either. Yes, as soon as you see him running back you think it's going to be given as a penalty.. But it never is.
Worst thing is, is can you imagine if he had been thrown on the floor and stayed there as they went on to score? You'd probably see a few comments like "Instead of lying there waiting for a foul that isn't going to be given, get back up!" And that's exactly who Rafael is, he won't stop fighting, he'll keep going. A brilliant attribute to have, and maybe something more players in the team need to have.. But it can cost you. It wrongly cost us this time though.
Worst thing is, is can you imagine if he had been thrown on the floor and stayed there as they went on to score? You'd probably see a few comments like "Instead of lying there waiting for a foul that isn't going to be given, get back up!" And that's exactly who Rafael is, he won't stop fighting, he'll keep going. A brilliant attribute to have, and maybe something more players in the team need to have.. But it can cost you. It wrongly cost us this time though.
So you think Raf should have ran past him or ran off the pitch, sorry but goal side? He was right on the line, so how exactly. Football is a contact sport, Rafael didnt pull him back, interfere with his legs nor impede him in anyway, at most his wrist brushed on his back, causing his legs to give way. Was a yellow for a dive all day long! No idea how anyone could see it any differently.
We would have blamed him for not getting after him had he then went on to score, maybe staying down would have been the easy option for him . Credit where its due, he didnt lose his head, he just got played.
Criticism Rafael is getting here is beyond ridiculous. People are bashing him cause he ran behind Vardy despite the fact he didnt foul him.
He gave the chance to the ref to call a pen?
Yeah he gave him a chance by running behind Vardy and doing absolutely nothing, not to mention he was clearly fouled before that.
Rafael is to blame Clattenburg made up a pen out of absoulutely nothing, well he made it up from Vardy's obvious dive..
People are mentioning him being rash in the past and all but I dont understand what the f. that has to do with incident with Vardy..
And as fome posters have mentioned if he just stayed on the ground and didnt get up people would criticise him for that. He cant win.
He's been marked and people will bash him whatever he does, even when he does nothing wrong.
It seems some people cant wait for an oportunity to criticise him..
He gave the chance to the ref to call a pen?
Yeah he gave him a chance by running behind Vardy and doing absolutely nothing, not to mention he was clearly fouled before that.
Rafael is to blame Clattenburg made up a pen out of absoulutely nothing, well he made it up from Vardy's obvious dive..
People are mentioning him being rash in the past and all but I dont understand what the f. that has to do with incident with Vardy..
And as fome posters have mentioned if he just stayed on the ground and didnt get up people would criticise him for that. He cant win.
He's been marked and people will bash him whatever he does, even when he does nothing wrong.
It seems some people cant wait for an oportunity to criticise him..
Unfortunatley thats happening with alot of our players, Rafael, Evans, Rooney, RVP, Mata, Smalling, Jones even De Gea at times.
Yep. For instance DDG. He's been getting flak (is that the right expression
) for absoultely nothing or if you ask people criticising him which goals he could have saved they bang about that he didnt even try to save one of 5 goals or whatever. Mata suddenly is the man we should sell..
Rooney is hated here its a old story...
Its getting tedious now.Yep. For instance DDG. He's been getting flak (is that the right expression
Mata suddenly is the man we should sell..
Rooney is hated here its a old story...
Bang on. I was thinking the same. He lost his head and allowed his man to buy a penalty. He got totally played and not for the first time - the opposition know he's rash and liable to do something daft if provoked.
He was previously told he could leave by LVG apparently so it's far from ideal he's even playing for that reason let alone the fact that he remains a serious defensive liability. I would happilty sacrifice half his attacking quality for soemone who can simply defend properly.
He's also very injury prone, you can't rely on him to actually be fit through the season, along with the other regulars (Jones, Evans, Smalling, Fletcher, Young), the thing is, on sunday, it clearly was a foul against him to start with and did little else but race back only for Vardy to anticipate it, lean in and throw himself over, so.. "OK" I can understand why people are defending him, but.. you know what? I just dont remember this type of stuff happening with say.. a Dennis Irwin, who didn't have Rafael's pace or mobility, even technique etc, but.. Why does this type of bizarre lunacy keep happening with him? I'd kill for a Dennis Irwin type, the consumate steady eddy who'd be available for selection week in, week out.
Anything but a steady eddy... beast of a full-back, perfection.
He didn't lose his head because he didn't foul the guy or use any physical aggression. You're just using his reputation against him.
Jesus wept, it's one after another in here. Watch the bloody footage! Rafael did absolutely nothing wrong! Sorry, no, he didn't give Vardy an opportunity, the cnut actually moves into Rafa and falls to the floor.
There aren't many black and white incidents in football but this is one of them. 100% dive and feck up by Clattenburg.
There aren't many black and white incidents in football but this is one of them. 100% dive and feck up by Clattenburg.
Nice clip.. lord I miss him, could play both flanks as well.
I honestly do not understand this Rafael bashing thats been going on in the media and with some folk here. The boy is class, hes rash I understand but this is the same bloke who kept Ribery quiet against Bayern Munich (until he got sent off after being provoked, a weakness we all know he has).
But against Vardy that was NOT the case! The boy was manhandled off the ball in a blatant foul. He ran after his man, and watch the video again, Vardy linked his feet with Rafael's and straight out DIVED. No push, no tackle no rubbish. That was a stonewall bad call by the ref, just as bad as the red card against Nani vs Real Madrid.
Fair enough our defense is crap, but this match was not decided solely by that. This was a match of so many unfair referee decisions that demoralised a team that's crying out for a leader to rally them.
Unfortunately, we have Rooney.
But against Vardy that was NOT the case! The boy was manhandled off the ball in a blatant foul. He ran after his man, and watch the video again, Vardy linked his feet with Rafael's and straight out DIVED. No push, no tackle no rubbish. That was a stonewall bad call by the ref, just as bad as the red card against Nani vs Real Madrid.
Fair enough our defense is crap, but this match was not decided solely by that. This was a match of so many unfair referee decisions that demoralised a team that's crying out for a leader to rally them.
Unfortunately, we have Rooney.
I like him, but there is definitely room for improvement if a quality right-back ever became available to us.
Hindsight is gold. Rafael was clearly fouled, the ref let the game continue and Rafael did exactly what a pro should do. Stood up and tried to win the ball back. He did not foul the diver, and actually showed his class by getting the ball. The ref fooked it up royally, and its his 100% fault. If all players tried best to avoid potential penalties and physical battles inside of the box, then we would basically watch a totally different kind of sport, closer to large-scale futsal than actual football. Clattenburg was inconsistent and very biased in his decisions or he was plain blind.
Can't understand why we didn't go for Sagna on a freebie, that is unless he was dead set on going to city. Perfect cover for rafa and Sagna would've helped rafa improve his game too whilst filling in when rafa gets injured.
Thought exactly the same. As soon as he was fouled and the ref did not give a foul, i knew Rafael will give away a penalty.
For sure, next time I hope he sits on his arse and lets the defender have a free run into a dangerous area.
It's natural to look for a scapegoat. This board even did it when we were winning three leagues in a row and winning a CL and making finals. After any poor showing Oshea would be destroyed on here being called a donkey and other things.
We lost due to poor tactics, poor selection, and poor subs along with poor team defending and some mental mistakes on top of injuries.
As for Rafael, his cross just before Herrera's goal was fantastic. And after watching the highlights again, I was laughing so hard at Rafael pleading his case on the second penalty. So passionate and animated. I love Brazilians.
We lost due to poor tactics, poor selection, and poor subs along with poor team defending and some mental mistakes on top of injuries.
As for Rafael, his cross just before Herrera's goal was fantastic. And after watching the highlights again, I was laughing so hard at Rafael pleading his case on the second penalty. So passionate and animated. I love Brazilians.
He did nothing wrong. NOTHING. FFS!
I can't believe anyone blamed him. Even if it wasn't a foul on him, he got back in position and didn't touch Vardy. Vardy looked round and threw himself in front of Rafael. Looking at what some of our players got for diving it seems quite funny that he's praised for it.
The day could have been made better if he'd gone loco like Pepe on Vardy after he dived.
The announcers jumped on the 'oh boy, he's being rash again!' story and many have unfortunately followed their lead. He really wasn't at blame IMO. The fact that Clattenburg and Vardy are basically escaping any judgment, and it's instead falling completely on Rafael, LVG, and United is fecking annoying and completely as expected
Rafael did not lose his head, he got back into his position rather than staying down hoping for a free kick which would never have come. All of you criticising him for tracking his runner as he was supposed to do will then say - if he had stayed down - and Vardy scored for whatever reason he should have tracked him. Rafael can't seem to win with you lot can he? Its not Rafael's fault he was fouled and the free kick not given, nor is it his fault Vardy dived and the stupid ref was conned.
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