There was a loan fee for Falcao as well.
In no way is this a more expensive gamble than Falcao.
Bastian Schweinsteiger | Signed for MUFC - confirmed.
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In no way is this a more expensive gamble than Falcao.
Pres conference to present signings right about now, team presentation 2 pm british time.
2pm our time you can watch it here
Who said I don't rate him? Who said I haven't seen him play for years? Are you suggesting I didn't watch the World Cup or the final? The latest game I've seen of him was the Cup final and he was completey knackered. Don't dispute his quality, just that at 31 I believe his best days are well behind him.
And as far as the World Cup goes he did play well like the whole German team however if we're talking about outstanding performances, there were far better than his in every single match and if a few transfer muppets won't agree with that no sleep will be lost considering the rest of the word does.
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if cafers don't realize the significance of this signing, just recall the last game away against everton.
our current squad are in lack of winning and champion mentality. if we did, we would fight back by the second half of that game. maybe it still ended up losing the game but a champion team would never be such toothless throughout the whole 90 minutes. i had never seen us being like that until that game.
that's the reason why valdes, schweinsteiger and probably ramos are essential for our coming campaign.
our current squad are in lack of winning and champion mentality. if we did, we would fight back by the second half of that game. maybe it still ended up losing the game but a champion team would never be such toothless throughout the whole 90 minutes. i had never seen us being like that until that game.
that's the reason why valdes, schweinsteiger and probably ramos are essential for our coming campaign.
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Apologies, so I did
I already addressed the 1 vs 3 year comparison so Falcao was £24m for a season whereas Bastian will be £20m. Rounding off to the nearest figures.
Again, age and injuries involved I can understand why some are sceptical. The ideal scenario is we also sign Schneiderlin too.
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Very good point. Not to mention our 'Leicester' break down
Since the day City won the league after Scholes came out of retirement, he was essentially finished.
We've needed someone with the ability to play at that kind of level for a long time and if we can get 3 years out of Schweinsteiger to take the pressure off Carrick and free up Herrera a bit, I'm all for it.
I do still believe we lack actual cover for Carrick, even with this move. I remain unconvinced by two players who were brought in to the club as midfielders, but two who are known to be LVG favourites. So I do hope this is a case of Schweiny and Schneidy.
If we have any desire to go far in the CL and win the cups, having 5 or 6 players covering 3 positions is absolutely necessary.
We've needed someone with the ability to play at that kind of level for a long time and if we can get 3 years out of Schweinsteiger to take the pressure off Carrick and free up Herrera a bit, I'm all for it.
I do still believe we lack actual cover for Carrick, even with this move. I remain unconvinced by two players who were brought in to the club as midfielders, but two who are known to be LVG favourites. So I do hope this is a case of Schweiny and Schneidy.
If we have any desire to go far in the CL and win the cups, having 5 or 6 players covering 3 positions is absolutely necessary.
I agree. It's one thing to buy quality, it's another thing to buy quality and a proven winning mentality. Punctuated with terrific and exciting prospects, such as Memphis, we'll have the makings of a very good squad.
Fortunately I didnt say that ('galacticos hard on etc').
Its easy to say that in hindsight about players like Fabio who were never given a real chance. If Januzaj hadnt had his breakthrough season with Moyes you/we would probably be saying the same thing about him. My point remains that you dont know if these players are good enough until you actually give them some games and given them a chance to show what they can do. That doesnt mean a 5 minute sub appearance here and there, it means getting a few games on the trot to show what they are capable of. Despite your comments, there was a time when Cleverley was regarded as a bright prospect for us, and so was Welbeck. I am a firm believer that players need consistent gametime to establish their match rhythm and play well, and that sporadic appearances here and there do not help - Nani is an example of this.
We can say "We're Man United, we have a great record with youth!" but where have all these players been over the last couple of years? Our biggest prospect (that we admittedly poached) was Pogba and he left because he wasnt given a chance in the team. Januzaj was compared with Sterling two years ago and now one is being touted around for a £50m transfer while the other is still warming the bench and potentially getting loaned out. Welbeck may not have developed into a world class #9, but he was definitely good enough for a place in the squad and would have done more for us last year than Falcao or RVP, same applies to Hernandez. Welbeck being a Manchester who had been at the club since age 8, left to join one of our rivals because of a lack of gametime.
Our ability to actually nurture and develop our young players into first teamers in recent years has been abyssmal, frankly, and signings like Schweinsteiger will not help in that regard.
Carrick has a pretty good injury record, last season was not the norm for him. I am not convinced that we need to sign a 31 year old as cover for a 34 year old, for the experience that he brings.
We havent seen him play in the PL yet. The same "he is the best in the world" arguments were made last summer for Di Maria and Falcao. There was a Bayern supporter in this thread a couple of pages back speaking about his view on Bastian last season that he slowed down their game. Personally I havent watched enough of Bayern to make a judgement, but I question how anyone can say with confidence that he is better than all of our current players, when there are so many risks and variables at play (fitness, new country, different league, age etc).
How do you know if they are good enough if you dont give them a chance? It is a chicken and egg argument. The Fabio example is useful because we could almost see what would have happened if he had chances, thanks to his identical twin brother on the other flank. It is reasonable to assume that if Fabio had been given comparable gametime to Rafael, he would have developed similarly.
The Da Silva twins I think are a great case study for how big of a difference getting first team gametime makes.
This.
And... what if hes injured?
I forget, do the public contribute towards his wages?
Despite most people thinking I am purely negative about this signing - I completely agree with this.
Some players - Schweinsteiger and Bale being two for me, simply have that United feel about them. Unfortunately I just feel that this signing is a few years too late.
This signing could easily help us attract young German talents coming through. We're talking about the captain of their national team and I think a fair few have forgotten how dire we were and how problematic the lack of balance in our team was. These things have a knock on effect. You cannot just look at his age, his wage and the cost. There's more to it then that. We have some good potential in the youth system regarding Midfielders. It could buy some of them time and there's few better players to help influence them. His age isn't a problem. The main thing would be to keep him fit and i'm sure LVG will give him clear instructions so as to get the best out of him
He's a special player and those kind of midfielders are few and far between. And he knows how Van Gaal wants him to play already. And is a winner and a leader. What's not to like.
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Missed 22 games through injury last season, and 28 in 2013/14.
I agree with di Maria, but I think most level headed fans were cautious over the signing of Falcao. Lots of 'I'm glad it's just on loan' comments.
We are on the verge of signing one of the best midfielders in the world, a player who has won it all, and captains the world champions and people are still complaining.
It's mental isn't it?We are on the verge of signing one of the best midfielders in the world, a player who has won it all, and captains the world champions and people are still complaining.
Well then he will most likely fail the medical
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Schmeichel called it!
First German to play for us since...? anyone know?
There's more people complaining about the complainers than there are actual complainers ffs! So let me be the first to complain about the complainers complaining about all the complaining.
And he did another with a Muller shirt too!
I find it amusing how people think they know better about our finances and what we can afford than Woodward himself, the same Woodward who is a CA and is privy to our financial information, commercial contracts etc. This guy might not be a slick transfer operator but no one is better positioned than him to know what we can and can't do financially.
Furthermore if this deal helps return ourselves to our pre-Moyes status of being a permanent fixture in the title equation then, in this climate of record shirt deals and stratospheric TV deals, it will be a very small price to pay.
Nobody fails our medicals
I don't think we've ever had a German player..... but need confirmation on that.First German to play for us since...? anyone know?
He'll be the first ever BennyFirst German to play for us since...? anyone know?
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We had a young keeper not so long ago but he didn't play for the first team.
Edit: Ron-Robert Zieler.
So the fact he's missed 50 games through injury in the last 2 seasons, is 31, and is coming to a new, more physical league should just be ignored?
He may turn out to be a fabulous signing, who plays lots and helps us win trophies. I hope he does, and I wouldn't be surprised.
But there is that element of doubt for some people, and rightfully so.
In fact, I think the blind optimism - 'He's Bastian Schweinsteiger, how dare you voice doubts!?' - is more perplexing than the doubts themselves.
This thread right now
EverFirst German to play for us since...? anyone know?
Oh you didnt! Phew that's a relief just ignore everything I said about how almost all our signings have been young hungry players. Wow why the heck has everyone been on your back.
It's like bloody RAWK: nobody ever posts a criticism of the manager, yet every post decries the selfie-stick Sly Sports Judas Manc Junta for posting criticism of the manager.
It's easy for you to say that those players weren't given a chance without any basis. Knowing nothing I'd rather trust Sir Alex Ferguson and what he saw in training over this one. If Fabio was indeed that good he would have gone and proven Sir Alex wrong like Pogba did. He didn't, and instead only confirmed what the club already knew themselves.
You can spin this anyway you want, players don't become great just by plying. If anything, Cleverley and Welbeck have proven you to be spectacularly wrong by their time at Villa and Arsenal. Interesting how you're ignoring the facts and what happened the last season. Fits the view I guess.
I agree that there are risks involved but the benefits far outweigh them. Especially when it's such a small fee. It's really not that important IMO. We'll probably sigh schneiderlin as well.
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