I don't think Madrid will ever get a transfer ban. But it really shows their inexperience if their president comes out and states that they made a player of another club a promise.We should report them and ensure they get that transfer ban.
The more I think about this, if you and I can see it plain as day - I am surprised that a FIFA official is not already over it. Should we really have to report them? But I guess its RM, they get away with it.Exactly, that is tapping up.
Oh, that makes sense. I agree with her too actually, but still just find it funnyThat's Annie Eaves who is a United fan and frankly she is absolutely right.
There's tapping up (a la Mourinho's persuasive phone calls) and then there's tapping up (a la Madrid's pre-contract agreements with payments and penalty clauses). The former I think the majority of the footballing world can live with, but it baffles me that anyone could find the latter acceptable. It makes a mockery of market value -- promise a large bonus to a player in return for letting their contract run down, forcing their club to sell at a cut price later. It's just nasty.We won't report them for tapping up, because that's a huge can of worms.
No one is saying it's acceptable, but most clubs are clearly guilty of it. Including us.There's tapping up (a la Mourinho's persuasive phone calls) and then there's tapping up (a la Madrid's pre-contract agreements with payments and penalty clauses). The former I think the majority of the footballing world can live with, but it baffles me that anyone could find the latter acceptable. It makes a mockery of market value -- promise a large bonus to a player in return for letting their contract run down, forcing their club to sell at a cut price later. It's just nasty.
Ugh, I would certainly hope that we're above offering financial incentives to players in return for letting their contract run down.No one is saying it's acceptable, but most clubs are clearly guilty of it. Including us.
We could, but as someone pointed out to me earlier it is likely we have tapped players up as well. If we tried to report them we could open up a right can of worms.I don't think Madrid will ever get a transfer ban. But it really shows their inexperience if their president comes out and states that they made a player of another club a promise.
The more I think about this, if you and I can see it plain as day - I am surprised that a FIFA official is not already over it. Should we really have to report them? But I guess its RM, they get away with it.
That's the funny thing. No one knows what really constitutes tapping up. Does speaking to the agent (and not the player directly) constitute tapping up? Its quite murky, and till FIFA doesn't do anything about it, we'll have more and more player-club situations like DDG, Berrahino, Stones etc. Its not healthy for club, player or fans.We could, but as someone pointed out to me earlier it is likely we have tapped players up as well. If we tried to report them we could open up a right can of worms.
Every player and agent in the world knows there's a financial incentive to letting a contract run down. Every sought after player will expect his agent to tell him who wants him and what they're willing to pay as wages and as a signing-on fee. The concept of pre-contracts isn't that unusual either. They protect the club from an agent attempting to change personal terms at the last moment.Ugh, I would certainly hope that we're above offering financial incentives to players in return for letting their contract run down.
Fair enough then, I was actually trying to stay away from that too lol.We are on the same page matey.
You just used the word 'fault' which at first implied something different. Now we agree.
I did and they aren't judging by the statements from their chairman. Seems somewhat butthurt.No you said Madrid are not impressed. To which I replied, assuming that you meant that they are not impressed with United.
???The mystery 10m + 5m penalty to Madrid
The latest ones were reporting a 10m + 5m penalty, based on a promise to sign him this summer.???
I thought the reports were only for a 10m payment to De Gea
You're only allowed to sign a pre-contract with another club with less than 6 months on your contract, so if De Gea has/had one already with Madrid, it's certainly breaching some FIFA rules.Are pre-contracts legal. In contract law, almost certainly. In FIFA law, probably not, but there may well be a way to draft them that makes it hard to prove their illegality (though might get agents/intermediaries banned) - especially when no actual breach of contract occurs. Not signing a new contract is not the same as breaking an existing one.
Yeah feck 'em.What are people thinking about Dave signing a new deal? Seen a lot of rumors about a 1 year contract extension.
Fair enough then, I was actually trying to stay away from that too lol.
I did and they aren't judging by the statements from their chairman. Seems somewhat butthurt.
Of course. But if it's a contract between Gestifute or one of its third party ownership offshoot companies and Madrid? Or a bet - which is allegedly how the Figo pre-contract was written? Like I say, I don't know. I do know it happens and not only when Madrid are involved.You're only allowed to sign a pre-contract with another club with less than 6 months on your contract, so if De Gea has/had one already with Madrid, it's certainly breaching some FIFA rules.
Yeah, tbh, I have no idea about that stuff either, and as you say, happens all over.Of course. But if it's a contract between Gestifute or one of its third party ownership offshoot companies and Madrid? Or a bet - which is allegedly how the Figo pre-contract was written? Like I say, I don't know. I do know it happens and not only when Madrid are involved.
There is a lot of pressure on him right now, but, this is pressure that he has brought on himself and as a man, he must deal with the situation of his own making.Any fears that De Gea could crumble under the ridiculous pressure he'll be under now?
He was not atrocious. He had a couple of couple of dodgy moments but that was his first and only pre-season game.There is a lot of pressure on him right now, but, this is pressure that he has brought on himself and as a man, he must deal with the situation of his own making.
The best thing he can do is make it clear to LVG that he wants to play and that he should be given a chance to show his ability.
LVG will definitely play him, if DDG makes it clear he is desperate to do a good job for MUFC.
Lets not forget that the last time he played for MUFC (against PSG, I think), he was atrocious. LVG has not forgotten this.
He played against Barca, good saves too to keep Suarez out.He was not atrocious. He had a couple of couple of dodgy moments but that was his first and only pre-season game.
Oh yes he did and he did pretty well.He played against Barca, good saves too to keep Suarez out.
And the nations most hated club. We're like Marmite you either love us or hate us.Doomed? We're the world's most popular club you plonkers.
Problem is for the international break he's training in Madrid with a bunch of Spanish players, some of which play for Real. He'll have a constant reminder of it wherever he goes and isn't really the ideal situation to try and get his head right.I think the international break is good for you in terms of getting his head right and back in the team. If you were playing Liverpool tomorrow, I doubt he'd start.
Thank god they picked his friend Juan Mata for this squad.Problem is for the international break he's training in Madrid with a bunch of Spanish players, some of which play for Real. He'll have a constant reminder of it wherever he goes and isn't really the ideal situation to try and get his head right.
I think he's too thick to understand what pressure is and why it should effect him.Any fears that De Gea could crumble under the ridiculous pressure he'll be under now? If he has a few poor performances on his return to the team, could he never be the same player again? Ultimately, this will be hanging over his head until the situation is conluded, and the only way that this can happen in the immediate future, is by contract renewal.
If only there was a way for Ander to be called up.Thank god they picked his friend Juan Mata for this squad.
Where has this idea that he is thick come from? I think he's a little naive and perhaps listening to the wrong people on occasion, but thick? A little harsh.I think he's too thick to understand what pressure is and why it should effect him.
without knowing any of the other details... was the answer god? = dog backwards?I'm absolutely terrible at cryptic crosswords but I got that in about 5 seconds!
Totally agree with that. He has no business talking about Herrera and other deals and I was surprised (maybe not) he did. Imagine Woodward giving an interview slamming Madrid's way of doing business. It'd be unprofessional and we'd be embarrassed. I mean it's not like it's just any other club he's having a go at, but one of the biggest, who's supposed to compete with them and you don't do that.I seem to be in the minority here but I'm shocked he has publicly spoke bad about our deals with Herrera among others? Deals like that have nothing to with him, and none of his business. Plus the guy is a crook if he can openly talk about tapping players up in the process of trying slander other clubs
Yeah, but half the posters here are embarrassed by everything United do these days...It'd be unprofessional and we'd be embarrassed.
