De Gea Contract Situation

Do you think David De Gea will sign a new contract at Man Utd this season?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Yes, but he'll still leave by the end of the season

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Striker10 said:
We should report them and ensure they get that transfer ban.
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I don't think Madrid will ever get a transfer ban. But it really shows their inexperience if their president comes out and states that they made a player of another club a promise.

DomesticTadpole said:
Exactly, that is tapping up.
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The more I think about this, if you and I can see it plain as day - I am surprised that a FIFA official is not already over it. Should we really have to report them? But I guess its RM, they get away with it.
 
FIFA rules on "tapping up" only apply if the player is encouraged to break his contract. If no breach of contract occurs then it's hard to prove. We did place Herrera in a breach of contract position for example when he had his medical with us, but the release clause payment bought us out of that technical breach of contract as well. There are FA/PL rules that apply to transfers between English clubs.

So, no, I don't think threatening Madrid with FIFA is even possible, never mind desirable.
 
Perez (apparently on a radio show) actually said: "We, and FIFA, have evidence but we're not going to show you." Lol x a lot.
 
Redlambs said:
We won't report them for tapping up, because that's a huge can of worms.
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There's tapping up (a la Mourinho's persuasive phone calls) and then there's tapping up (a la Madrid's pre-contract agreements with payments and penalty clauses). The former I think the majority of the footballing world can live with, but it baffles me that anyone could find the latter acceptable. It makes a mockery of market value -- promise a large bonus to a player in return for letting their contract run down, forcing their club to sell at a cut price later. It's just nasty.
 
I think Perez's "United took hours to reply" thing comes from the idea that the clubs did a deal in the afternoon. However United's statement makes clear that we considered the DdG move dependant on us getting Navas as a replacement.

The contract with Navas was still being changed until after 11pm and one of the Spanish papers in the immediate aftermath described it as, "Navas was 100% happy with the transfer at 11:55." 5 minutes before the deadline.

It sounds like that's when we went ahead with loading the DdG paperwork to FIFA. Our "it was done by 23:58" statement. Did Real Madrid have to wait for us to file to FIFA before they could do their paperwork? Who knows? Who cares? We acted reasonably by making sure we had a replacement.

Incidentally, the Coentrao deal was more or less identical, but in reverse. We filed the papers for his loan deal so late that Madrid couldn't bring in a replacement. I blamed us for that screw up.

There was a deadline, if Madrid had wanted DdG badly enough, they'd have made sure it happened.
 
bonsaiboy said:
There's tapping up (a la Mourinho's persuasive phone calls) and then there's tapping up (a la Madrid's pre-contract agreements with payments and penalty clauses). The former I think the majority of the footballing world can live with, but it baffles me that anyone could find the latter acceptable. It makes a mockery of market value -- promise a large bonus to a player in return for letting their contract run down, forcing their club to sell at a cut price later. It's just nasty.
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No one is saying it's acceptable, but most clubs are clearly guilty of it. Including us.
 
Redlambs said:
No one is saying it's acceptable, but most clubs are clearly guilty of it. Including us.
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Ugh, I would certainly hope that we're above offering financial incentives to players in return for letting their contract run down.
 
Anirudh said:
I don't think Madrid will ever get a transfer ban. But it really shows their inexperience if their president comes out and states that they made a player of another club a promise.



The more I think about this, if you and I can see it plain as day - I am surprised that a FIFA official is not already over it. Should we really have to report them? But I guess its RM, they get away with it.
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We could, but as someone pointed out to me earlier it is likely we have tapped players up as well. If we tried to report them we could open up a right can of worms.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
We could, but as someone pointed out to me earlier it is likely we have tapped players up as well. If we tried to report them we could open up a right can of worms.
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That's the funny thing. No one knows what really constitutes tapping up. Does speaking to the agent (and not the player directly) constitute tapping up? Its quite murky, and till FIFA doesn't do anything about it, we'll have more and more player-club situations like DDG, Berrahino, Stones etc. Its not healthy for club, player or fans.
 
bonsaiboy said:
Ugh, I would certainly hope that we're above offering financial incentives to players in return for letting their contract run down.
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Every player and agent in the world knows there's a financial incentive to letting a contract run down. Every sought after player will expect his agent to tell him who wants him and what they're willing to pay as wages and as a signing-on fee. The concept of pre-contracts isn't that unusual either. They protect the club from an agent attempting to change personal terms at the last moment.

I've no idea what DdG was promised, whether it was signing fee or something else. The mystery 10m + 5m penalty to Madrid if they failed to sign him this summer I would guess is a guaranteed signing fee, but possibly one that's also payable as compensation if they don't sign him next summer. In other words some kind of protection from a failed deal if he got injured or no deal because Madrid can't/don't go ahead.

Are pre-contracts legal. In contract law, almost certainly. In FIFA law, probably not, but there may well be a way to draft them that makes it hard to prove their illegality (though might get agents/intermediaries banned) - especially when no actual breach of contract occurs. Not signing a new contract is not the same as breaking an existing one.
 
What are people thinking about Dave signing a new deal? Seen a lot of rumors about a 1 year contract extension.

Redlambs said:
We are on the same page matey.

You just used the word 'fault' which at first implied something different. Now we agree.
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Fair enough then, I was actually trying to stay away from that too lol.
harshad said:
No you said Madrid are not impressed. To which I replied, assuming that you meant that they are not impressed with United.
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I did and they aren't judging by the statements from their chairman. Seems somewhat butthurt.
 
jojojo said:
Are pre-contracts legal. In contract law, almost certainly. In FIFA law, probably not, but there may well be a way to draft them that makes it hard to prove their illegality (though might get agents/intermediaries banned) - especially when no actual breach of contract occurs. Not signing a new contract is not the same as breaking an existing one.
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You're only allowed to sign a pre-contract with another club with less than 6 months on your contract, so if De Gea has/had one already with Madrid, it's certainly breaching some FIFA rules.
 
Turnip said:
What are people thinking about Dave signing a new deal? Seen a lot of rumors about a 1 year contract extension.


Fair enough then, I was actually trying to stay away from that too lol.

I did and they aren't judging by the statements from their chairman. Seems somewhat butthurt.
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Yeah feck 'em.
 
Earthquake said:
You're only allowed to sign a pre-contract with another club with less than 6 months on your contract, so if De Gea has/had one already with Madrid, it's certainly breaching some FIFA rules.
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Of course. But if it's a contract between Gestifute or one of its third party ownership offshoot companies and Madrid? Or a bet - which is allegedly how the Figo pre-contract was written? Like I say, I don't know. I do know it happens and not only when Madrid are involved.
 
jojojo said:
Of course. But if it's a contract between Gestifute or one of its third party ownership offshoot companies and Madrid? Or a bet - which is allegedly how the Figo pre-contract was written? Like I say, I don't know. I do know it happens and not only when Madrid are involved.
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Yeah, tbh, I have no idea about that stuff either, and as you say, happens all over.

Like as not, football is dodgy as hell across the board, anything with this much money floating about is.
 
That man is under pressure. Barcelona win the treble and the only signings Madrid make are a right back ( which they didn't need ) and an expensive 3rd choice midfielder( for depth maybe?)
The fact there's no outcry from their fans over this shows they've accepted playing second fiddle to their fierce rivals. That must hurt Perez.
Also they really have an aging first 11. Ronaldo / Pepe / Ramos / modric / Benzema / Marcelo all approaching or are over 30.
Varane not coming on along as quickly as expected. If anybody here didn't expect him to be considered among the worlds best and be an automatic starter going into 2016 then you my friend are a liar.
Will Bale want to return to England in the near future? How will they replace Ronaldo? Who will actually become their no 1 keeper?
All this while needing money to renovate the Bernabeu.
When people talk about the end of a teams cycle, this season could really be it for Madrid.
 
Any fears that De Gea could crumble under the ridiculous pressure he'll be under now? If he has a few poor performances on his return to the team, could he never be the same player again? Ultimately, this will be hanging over his head until the situation is conluded, and the only way that this can happen in the immediate future, is by contract renewal.
 
worldinmotion66 said:
Any fears that De Gea could crumble under the ridiculous pressure he'll be under now?
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There is a lot of pressure on him right now, but, this is pressure that he has brought on himself and as a man, he must deal with the situation of his own making.
The best thing he can do is make it clear to LVG that he wants to play and that he should be given a chance to show his ability.
LVG will definitely play him, if DDG makes it clear he is desperate to do a good job for MUFC.
Lets not forget that the last time he played for MUFC (against PSG, I think), he was atrocious. LVG has not forgotten this.
 
If he signs a new contract there will be no pressure on him. Only if he plays, but without a new contract the pressure will be there.
 
sunama said:
There is a lot of pressure on him right now, but, this is pressure that he has brought on himself and as a man, he must deal with the situation of his own making.
The best thing he can do is make it clear to LVG that he wants to play and that he should be given a chance to show his ability.
LVG will definitely play him, if DDG makes it clear he is desperate to do a good job for MUFC.
Lets not forget that the last time he played for MUFC (against PSG, I think), he was atrocious. LVG has not forgotten this.
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He was not atrocious. He had a couple of couple of dodgy moments but that was his first and only pre-season game.
 
duffer said:
I think the international break is good for you in terms of getting his head right and back in the team. If you were playing Liverpool tomorrow, I doubt he'd start.
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Problem is for the international break he's training in Madrid with a bunch of Spanish players, some of which play for Real. He'll have a constant reminder of it wherever he goes and isn't really the ideal situation to try and get his head right.
 
I seem to be in the minority here but I'm shocked he has publicly spoke bad about our deals with Herrera among others? Deals like that have nothing to with him, and none of his business. Plus the guy is a crook if he can openly talk about tapping players up in the process of trying slander other clubs
 
Damien said:
Problem is for the international break he's training in Madrid with a bunch of Spanish players, some of which play for Real. He'll have a constant reminder of it wherever he goes and isn't really the ideal situation to try and get his head right.
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Thank god they picked his friend Juan Mata for this squad.
 
worldinmotion66 said:
Any fears that De Gea could crumble under the ridiculous pressure he'll be under now? If he has a few poor performances on his return to the team, could he never be the same player again? Ultimately, this will be hanging over his head until the situation is conluded, and the only way that this can happen in the immediate future, is by contract renewal.
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I think he's too thick to understand what pressure is and why it should effect him.
 
Will we ever get to hear De Gea say something about this? If he is to stay her for the reast of the season he will have to come out and say something sooner or later.

Or maybe he'll just play and leave in the summer without saying a word. Would be just like him I suppose.
 
NinjaFletch said:
I think he's too thick to understand what pressure is and why it should effect him.
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Where has this idea that he is thick come from? I think he's a little naive and perhaps listening to the wrong people on occasion, but thick? A little harsh.

He's probably pretty torn between staying where he is comfortable and happy, where he can earn more money and become an iconic figure at the club, with friends and colleagues that he has built close relationships with, and fans that adore him. Or move home, please his girlfriend and his family and closest friends, joining a club with more chance of winning medals, cementing his position as his nation's no.1 and surrounding himself with the comforts and compatriots of his home country.

It's made all the more tough when he has people from every side trying to persuade him one way or the other, and a poisonous leech of an agent that wants to bleed him dry.
 
I really hope to god he's not falling for all this Perez/Madrid BS. Its a clear attempt to turn the lad against us and stop him signing a new contract.

Hope the people around him are advising him correctly.
 
clarkydaz said:
I seem to be in the minority here but I'm shocked he has publicly spoke bad about our deals with Herrera among others? Deals like that have nothing to with him, and none of his business. Plus the guy is a crook if he can openly talk about tapping players up in the process of trying slander other clubs
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Totally agree with that. He has no business talking about Herrera and other deals and I was surprised (maybe not) he did. Imagine Woodward giving an interview slamming Madrid's way of doing business. It'd be unprofessional and we'd be embarrassed. I mean it's not like it's just any other club he's having a go at, but one of the biggest, who's supposed to compete with them and you don't do that.
 
Unless DDG sign a new contract, this whole thing of running down the contract to leave United with nothing, just leave a sour taste by a supposedly nice guy. Not to mention this whole unnecessary drama that might make United in limbo about signing his replacement.
 
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