Think he'll end up at Everton myself and it would be a nice way to end the cycle imo.
Rooney plus cash for Stones ?
Think he'll end up at Everton myself and it would be a nice way to end the cycle imo.
He'll be fine. Once he knocks one or two league goals in more will come, and things will go quiet in here. Happens every time a player loses then recovers form.
He will, but its taking longer and longer for him to find form after a layoff/summer. There will come a point where hes spending more time finding form that he is in it, and i think that could be this season.
Another issue is his captaincy and general status at the club. He will leave big shoes to fill and with that agent of his wont go quietly if we dont handle his decline properly.
Agreed, just as much as its logical for those who are tired of hearing about it to vent their frustration as well.
I've never really understood being annoyed by people having an opinion on a board designed for that in truth. If a topic starts to grate just don't click on the thread is my method, like the circular Fellaini debate.
That would be rather one sided wouldn't it. The purpose of this board is to discuss points and counterpoints.
Yeah he's clearly mentally shot. No physical issues. He's a second behind the game these days... reluctance to pass, reluctance to shoot, reluctance to make runs.The most worrying thing is how physically shot he looks. He not only looks like he's running through treacle, but he also gets out-muscled and out-fought on a regular basis.
I think he's lost his fire. He probably thinks he has nothing left to prove and no critics left to answer. If I were manager I'd drop him for 3-4 weeks and hope it gives him a kick up the backside.
Seeing all this talk of Rooney 2015 = Rvp 2014, I checked out the Fenerbahce page...
Nani 4 goals 2 assists (6 starts)
RvP 2 goals 1 assist (4 starts)
Not bad but no earth-shakingly good either
I would not say no to that!Rooney plus cash for Stones ?
I wonder if it's a case of him not being able to adapt.
Wayne Rooney has always had a special talent from an early age. He had that X-factor and the football brain that made him stand out and unfortunately, in my opinion, the versatility to play in a number of positions. In his early years, he was allowed to play with his instincts - his 'street football' type style, where he'd take on defenders, go for spectacular shots, while running back to defend in his own box. Needless to say, that's the Rooney we all remember fondly.
With each year, as he gets older, and as he's slowly moved away from his street football type game, its not surprising to see that he's no longer the same type of player. To make matters worse, rather than playing his preferred ST role, we've all seen him shifted onto the Wing and into Center Mid, under Fergie's last few seasons, under Moyes and now under LVG.
Now that he's back as a ST under LVG, a manager known for his philosophy and a set of unique roles for each of the players in his system - I honestly think Rooney doesn't have a clue about what he's supposed to do.
Don't get me wrong, the talent is clearly still there, as is his experience and leadership quality, but I suspect that more so than Fergie and Moyes, he's really been asked to reign in his instincts (which made him a worldclass player in the first place) and opposed to taking the speculative shot or pass, to instead, shift the ball or to maintain possession - which would explain why he's so dire...
I would clearly like to see him banging in the goals again- but I honestly don't think that under LVG, we're going to see much from Rooney, aside from the occasional glimpses of his ability.
I've already said in another thread I see no place for him in Van Gaal's new team. He's simply not a no.10 and if Van Gaal continues to play him there he'll only hold Martial back.
Forget about goals, he hasn't even has 5 shots on target this season in the league
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszon...er-stats/13017/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor
This is pretty telling, he's all over the park making passes without purpose
And here's Martial's
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszon...r-stats/148225/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor
How does playing Rooney at No. 10 hold Martial back? I'd imagine it holds Herrera back.
Wasn't Rooney playing at 10 with Martial at 9?... Anyway, this thread is a bit of an icon at the moment. Roll onto the next game.Forget about goals, he hasn't even has 5 shots on target this season in the league
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszon...er-stats/13017/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor
This is pretty telling, he's all over the park making passes without purpose
And here's Martial's
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszon...r-stats/148225/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor
He's holding everyone back. In last match he looks positionally very off, there were times him and Mata clashing trying to get into the same position. He leaves a very big hole in the middle, he offers nothing but acting like a lamp post with his sideways passing and back to whomever passing to him. It counts as a pass sure but in the grand scheme of things he's not needed there, his position would better be occupied by Herrera who overs alot going forward. Check the link above on his stats, there's really nothing in his game, no interception, not even one single successful forward pass.
We're like playing with 10 men, and if that isn't holding the team back I don't know which is.
I fully agree with you. My only point to your post was that, playing him at no. 10 doesn't really hold Martial back (as much as it does Herrera). Rooney is playing at no. 10 to accommodate Martial. If he played at no. 9, then it would hold Martial back.
#10 is the most important attacking position on the pitch and supposed to be the creative conduit that holds and distributes for the entire attack. Rooney, as the #10, is supposed to be Martial's supplier with a constant stream of forward passes that probe and penetrate. He's also supposed to link up with his #9 more than any other player in short passing chains back and forth.How does playing Rooney at No. 10 hold Martial back? I'd imagine it holds Herrera back.
er.. having no service from Number 10 is holding Martial back, he won't perform as good as if we had a proper #10. We know how impatient the fans could be at times, lucky he made his own goal or it would have been "Martial's shit, Rooney back on 9"
Scoring on your debut could have a big domino effect on how he performs, the effect of having a goal to your name and being relaxed is underrated sometimes.
#10 is the most important attacking position on the pitch and supposed to be the creative conduit that holds and distributes for the entire attack. Rooney, as the #10, is supposed to be Martial's supplier with a constant stream of forward passes that probe and penetrate. He's also supposed to link up with his #9 more than any other player in short passing chains back and forth.
Rooney isn't offering anything as a #10 and if that continues, he'll actually stifle Martial's development and give him little chance to learn how to make runs away from the play and fine tune his game, or make runs at all in expectation or instinct his #10 will find, or even attempt to put him in.
Rooney is going to prevent Herrera getting on the pitch, which is a big problem for us and the Spaniard, but first and foremost he is going to stifle our entire attack and especially Martial if this level of play persists.
People say his legs have gone and so too his strength, but that shouldn't prevent him from passing the ball forward or attempting to at the very least. I'm more disappointed with this aspect of his play because even if he doesn't score many, to keep his place in the team he has to supply for others and he isn't even trying to do that, which really is concerning.
I was starting to believe people who said he don't get enough service to score goal early in this season but when you see what Martial has done in this last matches, not only creating chances for himself but also for others there is no excuses left for Wayne.