Sorry, who bought these second rate players?
Is there anyone left who wants to defend lvg now?
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That is why people want the new manager to be given the transfer window. So he can make some additions to the squad strengthen our weak areas. The problem with the squad is one of LVG's main issues. He left our centrebacks and forwards extremely weak in numbers and quality.
Lets not get carried away here. Our problem is not being able to score goals, so an injury to a defender should not be the excuse LVG uses to defend his position.
I doubt LVG would ever imply that we are not scoring goals because a young defender got injured.
And I'd like to remind you that Shaw had 4-5 good games - that's all. He is not Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez or any other goal machine. He is not a player of the year candidate and he is at the very start of his career.
Now, if Martial got injured - we could have a case.
Who's trying to speak for you? I read what you're posting, it's excuse after excuse and/or moving goalposts all over the place.
He's failed. I don't expect that bringing in someone new will have us in a title race (although with the state of the league who the hell knows) but it would stop the rot.
People don't get stick just for backing him, it's just a case of quite rightly questioning the things people say when trying to defend him. For ages his backers were banging on about how he's 'fixed' the defence, and how the attack would follow; it's nonsense.
With the current situation, and LVG not intending to stay for too long. I think we need to go all out to get Guardiola, even if it means Giggs taking over until end of season. I have been backing LVG all the way but now I think I have been wrong. I think he has the players too nervous to try things (IMHO). I liked what I read about Guardiola (writen by Thierry Henry). About him giving players free reign in the final third. It certainly seems to have worked for him up to now. I would love to see him at United.
My opinion is that his injury unbalanced us
That said, it doesn't excuse the not having enough quality forwards to choose from issue. LVG has to take responsibility for that.
Certainly not getting carried away. I do think he'd have made a difference. Blind and Rojo in that position carry virtually no attacking threat. Shaw would have helped us create more chances (and probably concede less too). He'd shown a good run of form just as he got injured.
That said, it doesn't excuse the not having enough quality forwards to choose from issue. LVG has to take responsibility for that.
There is definitely no general in defence. Smalling has been good, but he needs a partner who also has a mouth.
Ignore. It's just a face saving exercise.
@UnitedinRed did not blame the players when wanting Moyes out...
I tend to agree about Shaw, he was massive for us early on, and imo his injury has really hampered any early progress Depay was going to make.
But this all comes down to LvG's lack of planning again, all he had to do was sign a decent LB as cover, or have Blind as back up and sign a CB instead, or if he couldn't manage any of those just hang on to Evans for a little while longer, it really isn't that difficult, but like the offensive players he just didn't seem to factor in injuries/ loss of form.
I will never be able to understand the clubs "Ramos or nothing" approach to acquiring a Cb over the summer. He was never going to come here and was there no plan b?
Otamendi was available as well and laporte would have been available for the right price.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/do-you-want-moyes-out.380229/
2 years ago. Interesting read and interesting to posters who wanted him to stay. Many of those now want LVG gone no matter what. Both were going through a bad patch however post #131 sums it up for me. Moyes staying til April made the next mans job far more difficult and it should be taken into account.
We took a giant leap backwards under Moyes. Zero progression of any kind.
Some of the posters in that thread though
. Only got to page 4 and most of the anti LVG group wanted Moyes to stay .
See, I too can search old threads and find posters comments that show them up.
2 years ago. Interesting read and interesting to posters who wanted him to stay. Many of those now want LVG gone no matter what. Both were going through a bad patch however post #131 sums it up for me. Moyes staying til April made the next mans job far more difficult and it should be taken into account.
We took a giant leap backwards under Moyes. Zero progression of any kind.
Some of the posters in that thread though
. Only got to page 4 and most of the anti LVG group wanted Moyes to stay .See, I too can search old threads and find posters comments that show them up.
Saf + moyes did. I cant say that one of van gaals signings is poor but rather underperforming.
Rooney, mata, fellaini, young, valencia are the last bits left. Some have a use & some have not.
What about rojo? Remeber darmian can also play LB. Its riduculous the injuries that happened.
Very few people have defended LVG, however the LVG bashers just seem to twist things to continue the negativity. The guy could say merry Xmas and it gets turned into something dramatic. The comments after his PC is quite funny at times as people look for any opportunity to bash him.
When united did not have a crisis at the back, as far as injuries go, and was playing with Schwienie and schniederlin in front of the back 4 we were pretty solid and our defensive record was proof. Sure teams had the occassional chance, but not much. However, there was still loads of BS about Blind, Rojo, or whoever was put in next to Smalling, just to keep a means of negativity. It was even used as a stick to blame the boring football. Shock horror we get loads of injuries at the back, in fact one game having 3 youth players, and that gives further ammunition to bash LVG. I mean he should have accounted for having 5 defenders injured at one time.
I don't think there is anyone who believes the football has been good, but the same posters are like a broken record. The bashing starts from the moment the team sheet is announced, even though most seem to suggest the picked team is the right one based on injuries.
LVG may not be everyone's cup of tee, but the hatred is quite amazing, probably gone 2 or 3 levels above that from even the most ardent Moyes bashers.
Never ever rated Rojo, and anyway he's always injured too, Darmian is the RB, shifting him about is not an answer, simple fact is he has messed up not signing a defender other than Darmian. But yes overall the injury record under LvG is beyond bad.
He had a better record than LVG. Better win %, points/game, got to the 1/4 final of the CL and the semi-final of the COC.https://www.redcafe.net/threads/do-you-want-moyes-out.380229/
2 years ago. Interesting read and interesting to posters who wanted him to stay. Many of those now want LVG gone no matter what. Both were going through a bad patch however post #131 sums it up for me. Moyes staying til April made the next mans job far more difficult and it should be taken into account.
We took a giant leap backwards under Moyes. Zero progression of any kind.
Some of the posters in that thread though
See, I too can search old threads and find posters comments that show them up.
Well, they were proven to be wrong. Although I couldn't find a post in the first 5 pages from myself, I was one of those sentimental fools along with the board who wanted to give him a chance until it was mathematically impossible to get 4th.https://www.redcafe.net/threads/do-you-want-moyes-out.380229/
2 years ago. Interesting read and interesting to posters who wanted him to stay. Many of those now want LVG gone no matter what. Both were going through a bad patch however post #131 sums it up for me. Moyes staying til April made the next mans job far more difficult and it should be taken into account.
We took a giant leap backwards under Moyes. Zero progression of any kind.
Some of the posters in that thread though
See, I too can search old threads and find posters comments that show them up.
Its not wrong. Everything I wrote is fact.
It really doesn't fall down at all. De Gea was a goner bar an administration error. Smalling has improved because he's stayed fit for long enough for the first time. The potential was alway there which is why two of the biggest clubs in the country wanted him after two games for Fulham. Herrera and Shaw were both already in motion. Moyes dithering has nothing to do with it. He wasn't a player identified by Van Gaal and was on the cards regardless. Carrick is still his best midfielder. His best wide players were existing players and so was his best right back. That leaves you with Martial.
I'm not there either.
There's some interesting posts regarding time and were not a sacking club from many. Others who seemed to know LVG ( or whoever came in) would have one hell of a job on their hands and some who felt 2 years minimum for Moyes was fair.
Some were consistent, some despised both, some give both the benefit of the doubt.
Stuff like this from one of the longest running LVG isn't good enough lot
The thread also demonstrates how people saw the players as the issue as much as Moyes. Yet many of those same posters don't now. I blamed Moyes entirely but in hindsight I was a dick to do so. He was bad but his players were burying him and as a fan, that's something I don't like. I did let my dislike of Moyes cloud my judgement though as you've demonstrated.
Wasn't looking for anyone in particular. I've quoted one post from that thread and not stated who it was as it would be unfair IMO. Opinions change over time. Its normal.
There's several hardened LVG out posters who were very willing to give Moyes time and were disgusted with the players. The link is there for people to read of they so wish.
De Gea is here because Madrid messed about and United didn't take to kindly to it. They then tried to shit on us and DDG. Van Gaal allowed him the freedom to make a choice. He made it. It was the wrong one. That freedom is important because now DDG looks at us and thinks, you know what, this is where I want to. Little things like that can be important in difficult decisions.
Shaw and Herrera may have been in motion but they weren't here were they. He could have said no. 2 great buys. Shame Moyes dithered.
Smalling. You can dismiss van Gaals role but the lad has really grown. Under van Gaal. Nobody else. He has to take some credit for his role.
Carrick is not his best midfielder. Carrick is one of the problems and isn't pulling his weight.
Selective quoting to suit your argument.
sure. More random. Could have picked a few. Could have tagged them. Could have got them to explain what changed.Not for me though. More important things eh?
Most of his best performers in his time here have been players that were already here and ones that were being signed regardless. That was the point made and you haven't been able to refute it in any way, shape or form.
Why can Van Gaal take credit for Smalling's development when you're so quick to blame the players for them not developing or performing? You can't have it both ways.
Nor can you pal. Nor can you (and others).
What am I trying to have both ways? Good luck with this one.
You can't blame him for their failings entirely.
Good luck finding where I have. Do you care to address your hypocrisy or will we gloss over it?
No, but when a coaches tactics constrain them and make them afraid to express themselves, the coach has to take full responsibility for that
Theres people still complaining that we dont go after players when they become available like pedro, herrera first season etv. But when we do - it's not up to the manager. I mean you even put down de gea leaving & then staying doen to an administrative error.
Okay.
The people who hate van gaal should really just stick to lack of wins. Let the rest of us who were expectant of a few tough seasons after SAF retiring come up with the excuses to what van gaal is doing right & wrong.
Couple more switches of managers we going to turn out as good as city & madrid.. Not barcelona & bayern. Rotating around managers until one fits. When he does we get 3 years of success before we go through this again.
This squad isn't winning anything anytime soon but its the youngest squad we seen since the team that went on to go win the CL ( youthful rooney+ronaldo+anderson+nani etc).
What was it down to then?
Theres people still complaining that we dont go after players when they become available like pedro, herrera first season etv. But when we do - it's not up to the manager. I mean you even put down de gea leaving & then staying doen to an administrative error.
Okay.
The people who hate van gaal should really just stick to lack of wins. Let the rest of us who were expectant of a few tough seasons after SAF retiring come up with the excuses to what van gaal is doing right & wrong.
Couple more switches of managers we going to turn out as good as city & madrid.. Not barcelona & bayern. Rotating around managers until one fits. When he does we get 3 years of success before we go through this again.
This squad isn't winning anything anytime soon but its the youngest squad we seen since the team that went on to go win the CL ( youthful rooney+ronaldo+anderson+nani etc).
Can anyone give me a reasonable suggestion as to why he's not been sacked yet? Honestly, I'd say it is almost guaranteed that we will continue to drop points under LVG. I reckon we'd do better even if we brought Giggs in on the interim just for the fact that it's a fresh start and will lift the mood.
I think that losing games to stoke et all is one thing. This season has been weird and all teams are basically dropping points against shit teams.
However, if we lose against chelsea a team with a manager whi has not had time to do anything of note then the curtains can be closed.
Either club want to resign so they don't have to pay compensation, or Woodward doesn't want to sack the guy he hired and make himself look like an idiot, the whole thing is a mess.
What are you talking about?
Theres people still complaining that we dont go after players when they become available like pedro, herrera first season etv. But when we do - it's not up to the manager. I mean you even put down de gea leaving & then staying doen to an administrative error.
Okay.
The people who hate van gaal should really just stick to lack of wins. Let the rest of us who were expectant of a few tough seasons after SAF retiring come up with the excuses to what van gaal is doing right & wrong.
Couple more switches of managers we going to turn out as good as city & madrid.. Not barcelona & bayern. Rotating around managers until one fits. When he does we get 3 years of success before we go through this again.
This squad isn't winning anything anytime soon but its the youngest squad we seen since the team that went on to go win the CL ( youthful rooney+ronaldo+anderson+nani etc).
Plenty left defending LvG. His car's windshield protects him against bugs and the wind, as just one of the examples.