Not doing themselves any favours.EDIT: ooops, just seen the date … better late than never I suppose
'Charlton & Ferguson don't want Mourinho at Man United'
Sam Luckhurst on BBC Radio 5 Live reckons it's BC & SAF not Woody
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03kcxs0
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Sam Luckhurst is a prick who just believes whatever he reads on RedIssue. He only came out with this shite once they started 'reporting' it
Its obvious we have an old guard orthodoxy who want to consolidate power and prefer the likes of Giggs and Moyes over Mourinho. That is the problem it seems.
Anyone who believe Red Issue should spend less time on the internet.
Probably his conduct and what happened at Chelsea this season.
More likely bring on the right side of a power struggle (if its true)
CM is the portuguese equivalent of The Sun. Want to laugh? Check this report from some years ago. Sporting fans still laugh about this
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/desporto/detalhe/pavlyuchenko-bale-e-tosic-a-caminho.html
It´s a worthless newspaper that knows nothing. I´ll finish my post with this, hopefully no one uses CM news anymore on this site
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/desporto/detalhe/benzema_na_mira_do_sporting.html
Ferguson and Mourinho were bum-chums even according to Redissue until they recently decided it'd suit their anti-Ferguson sh*t stirring to print otherwise.
How does Van Gaal fit into the whole 'Ferguson wanting to control the club by having a manager who he could influence' conspiracy theory anyway? Presumably that was Ferguson wanting to control the club so much he made them pick a manager who he couldn't control just to prove how much control he actually had, the swine. At least that's going to be the explanation in the next series of tweets from RedIssue, presumably.
If we appoint Mourinho it'll be back to being all Fergie's idea who wanted the club to appoint his made so he could exert control and influence...or something.
Shame it's printed on the screen as that way it can't even make decent toilet paper any more.
How does Van Gaal fit into the whole 'Ferguson wanting to control the club by having a manager who he could influence' conspiracy theory anyway? Presumably that was Ferguson wanting to control the club so much he made them pick a manager who he couldn't control just to prove how much control he actually had, the swine. At least that's going to be the explanation in the next series of tweets from RedIssue, presumably.
If we appoint Mourinho it'll be back to being all Fergie's idea who wanted the club to appoint his made so he could exert control and influence...or something.
Shame it's printed on the screen as that way it can't even make decent toilet paper any more.
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...an-united-job-is-his-and-he-s-got-a-house-sor
Willing to kick my roommate out.
Willing to kick my roommate out.
I dunno, bunking with Jose wouldn't be that nice. Suspect he'd be quite selfish and just go to sleep once he's finished.
Is he having the house LVG rented because he'll be staying as manager? 
Used to be, gone down hill recently :-(
I agree. But I don't think its purely a political power play, but a genuine belief that the Giggs route offers more certainty of long term success. I don't agree but the SAF/SBC/DG triad know more about football and the club than I do!
I cant believe they don't want Morinho simply because they dislike him or that SAF is scared of diluting his legacy. They must genuinely believe that Giggs offers the short term trophies that Mourinho promises but without self combusting and so also provide medium term stability from which a post SAF business platform can be built.
If they get their way and they are right, it's a brave and gutsy move with genuine foresight and strategic planning. And they would be highly lauded for it. But I suspect Giggs will immediately fail and be forcefully sacked within 24 months, much like LVG is now, and we'll again be back to square 1, but this time, 5 years and £500m of spending post SAF and still with no new platform, trophies or most critically return on investment.
This is what surprises me about the current apathy at the club. The higher ups are all blue chip bankers: the obvious risk free way to return on investment right now is to appoint Mourinho, and it should have happened in late December. Why have these bankers suddenly gone flaccid??
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This is like Moyes all over again. Trying to artificially create a long term manager....second time lucky?
If we appoint Giggs and he fails, we are doing a rapid replay of the Liverpool story. Its easy to see how it happens. Only now, there is far more fierce competition and with even higher financial risks.
Despite all the banter and opinions on this board, it's a very tough and grown up decision which cannot be proven to be wrong with the benefit of hindsight (like we can do with LVG).
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Agreed. It would be quite something if we reject Mourinho twice for Moyes and Giggs which is why I don't think it will happen. It's just too ridiculous surely
Created by 'Shakesey' from the newbies.
The mafia don of Manchester United who will do anything to stop Mourinho from usurping him!
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The mafia don of Manchester United who will do anything to stop Mourinho from usurping him!
Created by 'Shakesey' from the newbies.
Incidentally, The Godfather is SAF's favourite film
The guys running the club must be pretty sharp to get where they are.
So surely recognise giving a guy who was excellent at kicking a ball around, a massively different job, the top job in the league, as his first job would be silly.
And unless Mourinho stays 30 years and wins everything he won't dilute Fergie anyway
but we know this, we just hope the top dogs do
Surely the rather obvious point to make here is that Ferguson had absolutely no part in Van Gaal's appointment, which is exactly what RI have been saying - he's been largely sidelined since 2013 but his waning influence would be boosted by Giggs' succession to the manager's role (seem to remember a number of stories in late December floating the idea of a Giggs-Ferguson double ticket with Fergie in a backseat advisory role to Giggs).
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Fergie's influence has waned yet he's now pulling the strings against Jose? Can't be both.
RI's narrative via their twitter feed is that Fergie, Gill and Charlton don't want Mourinho, do want Giggs and are doing what they can to push that idea to the forefront (via their remaining influence in the press/on the ground at OT & Carrington). RI are not saying that Fergie/Gill/Charlton are actually pulling the strings or making any decisions or have any actual power (RI make clear the power resides entirely within the Company board (Woodward & The Glazers)). It's mischief-making.
The OT crowd certainly don't want Giggs or not enough of them. Doubt the players do either. They won't want to be part of en experiment.
And neither, as the whole world now knows, do the Caf!
I have no idea whether or not the info RI posted on Twitter is true or accurate, but if it is, this appears to be a battle Fergie/Gill/Charlton are losing/have lost (Mitten's latest piece seems to indicate the same).
SAFs only influence right now is through loyal ex players and him providing gossip to digital media desperate for anything that will generate clicks and ad revenue.
It influences the masses who theoretically then apply pressure on the actual decision makers. US politics is full of this trick with its own niche 'lobbyist' industry. PR firms also offer such assistance of shaping narrative so decisions go the way you want.
SAF will be a master of this trade with his decades of experience in manipulating the UK media as well as his recent Harvard MBA exposure. He probably doesn't need any assistance but if he really is serious about Giggs over Mourinho, it would not surprise me if a professional firm was also discreetly advising him. There are definitely some people doing the leg work for him.
Problem in this case is it has not worked: case in point 90% of Redcafe want Mourinho over Giggs.
Half of me wishes this to be true because it's makes for fantastical conspiracy theories!
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What happened at Chelsea probably.
The idea of SAF gaining "exposure" from Harvard MBA programme.
. Yes that's phrased abit wrong. What I meant is though SAF instinctively practiced all the things in an MBA, he now has access to many more brilliant minds who can help him achieve his objectives.
Gill not wanting Mourinho anymore is one thing. Gill shifting his support from someone with that track record to Giggs is not likely.
The main thing that lets the Redissue "news" down is that it knows too much. If you have a source you'll get a bit of information but generally only information that source is privy to. Their source is apparently in a position to garner information from both the Ferguson/Gill/Charlton camp, the Woodward camp and the Glazer camp. Despite the fact that the whole point of the story is that there's some political war going on, Redissue's source is apparently that one guy in the middle of all of it who everyone else confides in. Either that they have multiple sources within the club and are still in a position where rather than being a legitimate and widely-read news source they're instead a bunch of toothless thugs throwing piss at the wall and making jokes and dead cricketers - which seems unlikely.
"Look at all these sources we have and how much money we could make if we actually started writing professionally and tried to become a reputable source for Manchester United information. Either that or make shit jokes like we're 12 years old on Twitter - how best to utilise these in-no-way-made-up sources that can get us information actual journalists couldn't dream of"
Given how spiteful and vindictive and how much of a vendetta Redissue have had with everyone involved in the story, with the possible exception of Bobby Charlton, how likely is it that that group has sources who're happy to be confidants of the major players involved and also give chapter and verse to scumbags on the internet who've done nothing but try and take potshots at them over the years?
All we have is a group of scumbags who've invented shit about Ferguson for years because of some bitterness over how he defended the Glazers, who've have suddenly invented a theory that makes Ferguson look like an ass. That's pretty much all there is to see here.
"Look at all these sources we have and how much money we could make if we actually started writing professionally and tried to become a reputable source for Manchester United information. Either that or make shit jokes like we're 12 years old on Twitter - how best to utilise these in-no-way-made-up sources that can get us information actual journalists couldn't dream of"
Given how spiteful and vindictive and how much of a vendetta Redissue have had with everyone involved in the story, with the possible exception of Bobby Charlton, how likely is it that that group has sources who're happy to be confidants of the major players involved and also give chapter and verse to scumbags on the internet who've done nothing but try and take potshots at them over the years?
All we have is a group of scumbags who've invented shit about Ferguson for years because of some bitterness over how he defended the Glazers, who've have suddenly invented a theory that makes Ferguson look like an ass. That's pretty much all there is to see here.
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Look, it is the "Mourinho to United" thread so I don't want to get into a big argument over something completely off topic but you seem to be confused and are using the subjective (to each individual fan) entertainment value as the barometer of how a successful team operates. Ultimately the team who finishes first in the league that season, reserves the right to call itself the best team in that country. If you want to use a melting pot of fans who each have an individual idea of what "entertainment" means to them then go ahead, it is a futile excercise because one man might like 176,000 passes in the opposition half before scoring a goal and one person might like 2. The team who wins the domestic league trophy will always be the best team and if it so happens that a manager can win 3 of the last 5 league titles and lose out on the other two by a couple of points and goal difference then it is fair to say that it still had a pretty good team and not a taped together sack of useless cloggers who were being held together by Sir Alex Ferguson sparkle dust.
You are completely fabricating an argument here that doesn't have to happen. I'm happy to concede that the squad/first team needed work after Ferguson left but there were no ghouls under the floorboards ready to leap out and destroy incoming managers. It was pretty much an open and shut job on who was needed, where it was needed and what needed to happen. Attempting to convince people otherwise is in my opinion is a daft and unnecessary exercise.
First of all it isn't subjective. I think it is a pretty objective statement to say we were a) better and b) more entertaining between 06-08 than the years which came after it.
No one said we were useless. cloggers or. that we weren't the best side from 08-13 backed by the best manager - which we clearly were. But just because a side was successful for 7 years in a row pretty much.. does not mean ir was left in a good position to take over from.
Its like the current Barcelona team which has been a winning machine for best part of 10 or 8 years and probably will still be winning for another 2-3. Once Messi and.Iniesta retire or their powers are significantly reduced.. that will.make them a very difficult team to come into and manage. Just because they might win a title in Messi's final top class season before his powers desert him doesn't mean they're a well placed side for future success. You have to look at the age of key players in the squad, potential stars within the squad.. have the correct replacements been identified for the next manager to come in and ensure success remains continuous. No doubt too that as Messi ages and his power wanes.. they'll become less interesting to watch although in Barcelonas case they'll have Neymar entering his prime (unless he leaves) but they're definitely headed for a decline unless they too reinvest in that squad going forwards. We simply didn't plan ahead well, that is a fact and it was made worse by bringing in an imbecile out of his depth.
And I bet that his favorite scene is the one with the horse head!
Incidentally, The Godfather is SAF's favourite film
Clearer and clearer it gets.
This is a fairly apt description, as many of them would no doubt happily admit.
No wonder why RVN was so eager to leave then. Imagine if SAF wanted to give Rooney a message.And I bet that his favorite scene is the one with the horse head!
Interesting. That's a big hint. Who else is looking for a new manager besides us?
So when exactly is Jose coming to Utd?, this story broke 20 days ago
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