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BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
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Going by speculation, if figures on the board don't want him then that's some ego complex we have on the board. Even Madrid who are miles ahead of us right now seem to be wagging their tails.
Can only hope it's already done and they've just decided to keep things quiet so Vangle doesn't have to worry about that.
Can only hope it's already done and they've just decided to keep things quiet so Vangle doesn't have to worry about that.
This is essentially my feelings. I'd rather the club wait than sign a manager it's not completely sure is the right man.
Personally, after his antics this season, I don't really like him. I have accepted it as an inevitability, there not really being any better options.
The Mourinho to Madrid Rumours started even before Benitez was sacked so I don't see how it's Calderon stirring things up.
I'm fairly certain Mourinho would prefer coming here but he's not going to wait forever.
I'm fairly certain Mourinho would prefer coming here but he's not going to wait forever.
Calderon said last week that Mourinho would go back to Madrid if he didn't go to United, so it seems we are his first choice and maybe some sort of agreement is in place already. The interview is on Marca for those who are interested.
Edit: Just seen that someone's posted a tweet saying exactly the same thing. Apologies for wasting everyone's time.
The story so far, for those of you who haven't been following things. Duncan Castles is basically a shit stirrer.
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...n-united-timeline-of-events-claims-what-to-be
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...n-united-timeline-of-events-claims-what-to-be
The way he cites himself and The Sun in the same timeline as Di Marzio and Balague.
Mate I've melted down all over the place in the past, but this will be a big one if it doesn't happen. I'm going to be a massive diva and I don't care who knows it.
I am in the media myself and it seems no-one knows anything. United have clearly gone to great lengths to tighten up after the leaks they had under Moyes. My advice would be to ignore the UK-based journos; the foreign ones are far more likely to know the score.
I cannot believe those of you who want Mourinho. He's poisonous and will destroy everything of value and heritage your club is noted for.
If you don't see that, see below link.
http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/...ful-what-you-manchester-united-fans-wish-for/
If you don't see that, see below link.
http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/...ful-what-you-manchester-united-fans-wish-for/
I can understand if the club doesn't want Mou. He's a born winner but his attitude and record with the youth academy isn't great. Having said that if we didn't want Mou then we should have planned better. FFS there was Pep, Ancelotti and Conte who were available. If these managers were considered (and I hope they were, because seriously, if the club taught LVG would turn things around and Giggs would be a great successor then they are more fecked up and stupid then we think) then how on earth did we fail AGAIN to get our 1st/2nd/3rd option? Same thing happened 2-3 years ago. How the hell did we end up with frigging Moyes when there was Pep, Ancelotti and Mou available? How the feck can we call ourselves a top club and end up with Frigging David Moyes ie a man who no big club wanted despite being in the EPL for 10 frigging years?
The problem with our board had always been the same. We take ages to decide, we tend to stick to some code of morals that may well work in a family run ironmongery but doesn't work in a corporate lifestyle (longevity, tradition, who the frek talk about these things anymore?) and we're the masters of being skint only until we panic and go around throwing money at everybody hoping we don't look ridiculous.
Its been like that long before SAF retired. I remember when we were interested in Marcelo Salas a few years back. The club took ages to agree in paying the agreed bid and by the time we did that, Lazio stepped in, the fee went over the roof and we ended up looking silly as the relatively small Italian club managed to show the middle finger to the so called biggest club in the world. Unfortunately the miracle maker who was able to keep on winning despite bringing him Young instead of Hazard is gone and its time we start acting like a proper club.
The problem with our board had always been the same. We take ages to decide, we tend to stick to some code of morals that may well work in a family run ironmongery but doesn't work in a corporate lifestyle (longevity, tradition, who the frek talk about these things anymore?) and we're the masters of being skint only until we panic and go around throwing money at everybody hoping we don't look ridiculous.
Its been like that long before SAF retired. I remember when we were interested in Marcelo Salas a few years back. The club took ages to agree in paying the agreed bid and by the time we did that, Lazio stepped in, the fee went over the roof and we ended up looking silly as the relatively small Italian club managed to show the middle finger to the so called biggest club in the world. Unfortunately the miracle maker who was able to keep on winning despite bringing him Young instead of Hazard is gone and its time we start acting like a proper club.
Every red I know (dozens) wants him fired and has done for months.
You'd think we are hiring Tony pulis reading that shit article
Destroy everything of value and heritage...yeah I think you may be overreacting with that
That's what piss me off. Im not pissed off that people do not Maureen. That's fair enough I guess. What pisses me off is that we have to wait another year when in reality the 'better' (alternative) options were already available this year. Ancelotti was available, Pep was available, Conte was available (I dont think he's a better alternative option but he is still an option) and yet, the biggest club in the world had, once again, allowed these managers to sign with others.
In the past 3 years we had two managers
a- a serial loser whom prior to us no big club had ever wanted to sign
b- a relic who last won the CL when Hughes was still playing for us.
Considering our record, then no wonder why Ryan Giggs thinks he got a shot. We can't sign a decent manager even if our life depended on it.
If we are really the biggest club in the world then its time we act like one.
There are some like me who dispose Van Gaal but still don't want Mourinho.
I think people's desperation to get rid of Van Gaal has blinded people to the considerable amount of baggage Mourinho has. His football isn't brilliant, he's record with youth is abysmal.(quite rightly the club views this as an important issue). Most importantly people forget he's been chased out of his last two clubs because the players hated him so much that they downed tools.
The club is right not to be falling head over hills to appoint him.
Chelsea and Real Madrid are two clubs with huge amounts of player power. I don't think it would happen at a more normal club like ours where the players still try under LVG despite how awful it has been under him
Who would you prefer?
I have my reservations with Maureen but he's the best manager there is available and he's much better then the managers we signed since SAF retired. If we didn't want Maureen then we should have made sure that either Ancelotti or Pep ended up at OT. We can't keep on signing the scraps no one want (Moyes, LVG, Giggs)
A genuine ITK?!
Player power is similar at all clubs really. If our players would rather not perform to get rid of a manager, they will succeed and the manager will be gone. You kid yourself if you think we cannot have a Chelsea like blip at this club.
Pochettino. Even if we couldn't get him this summer and he says he'd be willing to come next year, I'd rather wait.
I am not totally against Moutinho coming. If Van Gaal fail to finish 4th and we can't get Poch, by all means appoint Mourinho.
My main point is, people here have to understand that the club might reservations about Mourinho. They also have to be patient with the club if it choses to explore other possibilities before appointing Mourinho.
Pochettino, probably - which is unlikely, as things stand; and he'd be a gamble too in that he's never managed in Europe, and hasn't exactly won anything of significance (yet). And that again leads us to José's door. It's a grand circlejerk, and has been for a while now - much like with the synthetic Guardiola conundrum where folk were convinced he would turn City down due to an apparent lack of stature, and kept suggesting his name - even though it was patently clear he was headed for the Etihad. What needs to be realized is that the pickings are slim, and if we turn our noses at Mourinho, we could be staring at another season for dead-man-walking Louis, followed by the crown prince in waiting.
With all due respect but in his second year with us I expect the Dutch philosopher to do better then finish 4th place, after all we're not frigging Spurs. Regarding Pocchetino I have nothing against the guy but he does look like the reincarnation of Moyes with a slightly better style of football (he's done a great job with Spurs/Everton, he's been great with youth talent etc). Let us give him a bit of time before we spend 10m for him.
If the club doesn't want Mou, fair enough. However Manchester United should be aiming (And getting) the Peps and the Ancelottis of football not LVG, Pocchetinos and Moyesys (and definitely not at the cone carriers/pundits etc)
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If they are hoping to get him next season and keep LvG for another year, then at least we will get a season to see how Pochettino does cope with the CL. I am not sure who else they think will be available after next season? Pep/Klopp/Ancelotti you would think aren't going anywhere. Who is left that is top class?
I don't really agree with player power being similar at all clubs. Chelsea and Real Madrid seem to be two of the clubs which suffer from it the most where players have more contact with Abramovich and Perez.
You can't complain about the risk in appointing Mourinho when you want Pochettino who hasn't managed a club of this stature, had to manage big egos, managed in europe or won anything. He's the bigger risk.
Problem to get Pep we will have to wait three years or that he is a complete and utter failure at City. If he is, would we want him here? Klopp is now at Liverpool, we won't be employing a ex-Liverpool manager. Ancelotti will find it virtually impossible not to be a hit at Bayern. Who does that leave Simeone? People don't like his football either.
I just want to say that I didn't change the title but I fully endorse it.
If Manchester United didn't want Maureen then they should have made sure that either Pep or Ancelotti ended up at United instead of Shitty/Bayern. We can't keep on ending up with the consolation prize and still expect to be the biggest club in the world
Acquire me's life will go into free fall if he's wrong...
Banned from the caf, sacked from his job, his family turn their backs on him, he'll eventually try to find the answers at the bottom of a bottle.
Makes ya think
Banned from the caf, sacked from his job, his family turn their backs on him, he'll eventually try to find the answers at the bottom of a bottle.
Makes ya think
@Rado_N, my laptop at work blew up last night so I couldn't reply but now that I'm on my laptop at home I see a lengthy post that's somehow "saved" in this thread that's too lengthy and now untimely to post so I'll briefly conclude the thought and then let's jusst move on.
There's nothing at all unusual in employment performance contracts to have termination clauses prior to the end of a contract, at least in the US and I can't see why the UK would prohibit them.
After reading your prior posts it's clear we're speaking about two different things.
No employment performance contract would ever allow for a clawback of wages already paid (short of criminal fraud and so on, which is not applicable here). What is easily and legally doable in contract is to provide for an early termination clause without future pay IF a performance benchmark of some kind is not met. In LVG's case -- and let's all admit right now that since we don't have his contract in front of us all we can do is speculate as to what's in it -- only until United are mathematically disqualified from next season's CL would such a purported clause be exercised at the discretion of United.
This clause may not exist in LVG's contract. But it may.
There's nothing at all unusual in employment performance contracts to have termination clauses prior to the end of a contract, at least in the US and I can't see why the UK would prohibit them.
After reading your prior posts it's clear we're speaking about two different things.
No employment performance contract would ever allow for a clawback of wages already paid (short of criminal fraud and so on, which is not applicable here). What is easily and legally doable in contract is to provide for an early termination clause without future pay IF a performance benchmark of some kind is not met. In LVG's case -- and let's all admit right now that since we don't have his contract in front of us all we can do is speculate as to what's in it -- only until United are mathematically disqualified from next season's CL would such a purported clause be exercised at the discretion of United.
This clause may not exist in LVG's contract. But it may.
Fair enough. Any argument about Poch suitability for the job should probably be referred to his thread. However, I think many things should go into consideration when hiring a manager not just how many trophies they've won. I do agree we are at this point where we have little option cause of the clusterfeck of decision making by our board. We should have been making preparations for our next manager as soon as we appointed LVG. You get the feeling that we are always behind the curve not ahead of it.
What I do think is that if we appoint Mourinho, it's because we have no choice rather than because we want him. The fact we have left ourselves in this kind of predicament is unfortunate.
Exactly, the way they have dealt with the choice of manager has been absolutely shambolic. It's also that if we keep going for 2nd class managers, we will only attract 2nd class players as well. It will be a viscious circle. I would love Zlatan here, just so Rashford and Martial can learn from a master, but if LvG is still here it won't happen.
What's your plan on how to dispose of him, concrete block on a bridge over the M6?
I think I see the problem here; I suspect we're talking at cross purposes.
I have no problem accepting such a clause being in his contract for this year, so that if we fail to make 4th we can shitcan him without paying up the remainder of his deal.
My point has been that the wannabe ITK that started this all off was talking about that clause being in there for next year; the final year of LVG's contract. Having a clause in that says if he doesn't win the league in his final year we can fire him makes no sense because he's going anyway, you'd not be saving anything.
That's why I was talking about taking money back off him, because he'd already have been paid his final year salary in that situation.
A clause whereby he fails to get top 4 this year, thus us being out of the CL next year, allowing us to sack him next month makes total sense and will almost certainly exist.
You know what? Those values are associated with (perceived) blue chip companies and, for sure, United's bosses want the club to be viewed as such. This kind of thinking is why the likes of Arnold Palmer still gets deals, and why even uber-talents like Tiger Woods get dropped by companies at the first sign of scandal. What I'm getting at is that it's incredibly lucrative to be perceived as long-term, traditional & 'safe' in terms of reputation and conduct. So, perhaps all this stuff about Sir Bobby and co disapproving of Mourinho blinds us to the Glazers' habit of creating buffers that deflect criticism of their ownership - the pragmatic, businesslike reality is this: staid, low-risk thinking is viewed by United's hierarchy as the right way to go in preference to proactive thinking.
I think the proper quote is "fear ye the man that talks pish."
It isn't all about trophies but it has to be a manager who can maintain our position as one of the worlds biggest football clubs, not midtable obscurity while we experiment and experiment with rookie managers and youth. The PL is getting stronger and richer, I just hope both our boards are not sitting on their laurels and realise if we fall, we might not climb back so easily. I am not sure they do.
Tell @friendlytramp that his posts on the caf don't constitute being published and he doesn't know shit.
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