193/382 declared.
Leave around 470k ahead.
Leave around 470k ahead.
Ah ffs i was supposed to move to amsterdam permeanantly in about a month, im guessing this is going to make that a whole lot more difficult.
I think Labour is dead, to be honest. They will be hated by the working class who evidently have supported leave and they will be hated by the middle class who wanted them to support remain far better than they did. If Leave wins, there is no opposition, for the time being.
You're Scottish? Where from?Agree, I voted no in 2014, but I think this would sway my decision the other way.
Sod off Edinburgh.
Free movement will still be in action for a solid couple of years yet, just get over there, dig your feet in and marry a nice Dutch girl.Ah ffs i was supposed to move to amsterdam permeanantly in about a month, im guessing this is going to make that a whole lot more difficult.
Cameron is done, if we vote to leave. He has no wish to stay on. Only the Leave campaign want him to stay.Cameron ought to resign for allowing this to happen. Corbyn needs to use this result and struggle in the Conservative party to galvanise support for Labour, Peston reckons there could be a national election coming.
If Labour were to back EVEL wholeheartedly they might draw back some of those voters lost to UKIP.
I lumped £50 on remain before an it returns £150. Suspect it'd be a bit more now as my cash out is only £19. Still think remain will win even though I voted out.2/7 1/5 3/10 1/4 1/4 1/3
Odds available RIGHT NOW on a LEAVE win!!
Thank god, this is still absolutely ridiculous though.Nope you should be OK. The process of leaving will not be instant, but gradual.
Agree, I voted no in 2014, but I think this would sway my decision the other way.
Agree, I voted no in 2014, but I think this would sway my decision the other way.
Yup.Nah. Labour is fecked. As is the left in this country generally.
It was built upon the self interest of the working classes in the North, and they have turned away from Westminster and turned away from reason. If you don't pander to their anti-immigration sentiment you will not win back their votes, but the educated/graduate/liberal-elite left want nothing to do with such sentiment. I don't think the same party can appeal to both any longer.
EVEL is a pisspoor piecemeal reform, ill thought through and done for political purposes. It is time for a written constitution and a proper constitutional settlement, especially now if we have to rewrite a large number of our laws once we leave the EU.
This is entirely Cameron's fault if we end up voting to leave. He basically used the referendum to get back into power and allowed people who have been fed mistruths about the EU for years to vote on our participation when they have no conception of the consequences of doing so.
you can say that again!There's going to be another Scottish Referendum, then it will just be England Wales and Northern Ireland, with no EU. Next few years are going to be insane.
One can argue that Labour have done worse than the Conservatives. The conservatives voted as they were always likely to vote.Cameron ought to resign for allowing this to happen. Corbyn needs to use this result and struggle in the Conservative party to galvanise support for Labour, Peston reckons there could be a national election coming.
No but alas my suggestions that folk should be euthanased at 60 don't seem to be popular.
Thoroughly depressing so I'm going to bed. Stellar work @Damien, much appreciated.
I was arguing this at the pub last night and got unanimously shouted down, it didn't help that all but one of them were pensioners I suppose.
The economy has been on its arse for years in the EUMaybe because we can't think of any other reasons why someone would vote to basically flip a coin and hope it doesn''t land on 'destroy the UK economy and unity'.
First Everton's defense, now this. I'm beginning to worry about your prescience.Only plus side is I bet £15 on Leave when the odds were 10/3.
One can argue that Labour have done worse than the Conservatives. The conservatives voted as they were always likely to vote.
Remain depended on the Labour vote. And Labour voters have deserted
The Boomer generation, who've shaped the late 20th and early 21st centuries with the their post-war progressive counter culture, have left a terrible legacy of debt and inequality in their wake, by becoming the very anarchic obstacles they strove against, refusing to relinquish or compromise their power for the betterment of the next generation.
The fact the young no longer have agency over their own future is a big, big problem.
Agree, I voted no in 2014, but I think this would sway my decision the other way.
Well of course we've bungled our implementation of devolution, that goes without saying. However in the aftermath of last year's GE, some Labour MPs were expressing the need for more English focused policies (admittedly this was just after the SNP's landslide).
I do wonder what happens in London this weekend. Riots and violence wouldn't be a shock.