Cold winter on the way...Anyone seen the video of the old man crying? Saying "I've got my country back. I've not got long left, I'm 83, but I've got it back for the little time I have".
Not too old to be called a complete selfish dickhead.
Cold winter on the way...Anyone seen the video of the old man crying? Saying "I've got my country back. I've not got long left, I'm 83, but I've got it back for the little time I have".
Not too old to be called a complete selfish dickhead.
You are right on this. Many people who voted Remain will have done so for poor reasons, and as I alluded to, we do not really know who was 'right' anyway. The Remain campaign was really poorly fought in comparison with Leave, also. However, I have paid close attention to the different voting parties and underneath the campaigns, virtually everyone who looked at the question in detail, with a proper attempt to work out what was best, and without a personal agenda, voted Remain - and many of these expressed why in a very convincing way. The same is simply not true for the Leave voters. I have not seen a properly stated (never mind convincing) economic argument for voting Leave. I have not seen a convincing argument that leaving helps us address any problems that we face... certainly not soon, anyway. Am I to believe Leave all have better strategic thinking for the long term? Based on what?He is English primarily so he is used to talking about England, in just the same way that the Welsh, the Scottish or the Irish are used to talking about themselves if they're from Wales or Scotland or Ireland. It's natural for some and shouldn't be considered as just another excuse to criticise them.
It seems ok though to criticise leavers as being too thick to understand what they're voting for but I wouldn't be surprised if a fair number of those who voted remain had just as poor an understanding of what they were voting for. ( We are not seeing vids of those on here though are we). Someone I know voted remain because she was very frightened if we left the EU WW3 would start because Cameron had implied as much. Nevertheless, unless you want to be discriminatory, everyone in the country has a vote and all votes are equal, whatever their level of intelligence and understanding.
What else would you expect, they didn't understand what they were voting for before the vote and they still don't realise what damage they've done nowTalk about sore losers. Reading through Twitter and various comments on the newspapers there's a lot of "leave" voters finding this sort of stuff hilarious comparing it to children playing
"Aww I lost....ok let's do best 2 out of 3"
Remain has lost, people need to move on and deal with it.
Stop being a sore loser you ninny. Laughingcryingsmilie.You do know Nigel Farage said he would call for a 2nd Referendum a few days ago when it was expected they'd lose.
I'm not letting my future get fecked without a fight. Sorry but I like my country as is thank you.
Sponges off the EU and now he is dying he rips it away from the next generation. They are scum. The majority of old Britons are absolutely the most selfish scumbags going. They don't deserve the respect they demand after pulling this shit.Anyone seen the video of the old man crying? Saying "I've got my country back. I've not got long left, I'm 83, but I've got it back for the little time I have".
Not too old to be called a complete selfish dickhead.
Apologies, but I can't manage a post with any substance to it today, I'm all Brexited out. Have been for a couple of weeks now.You are right on this. Many people who voted Remain will have done so for poor reasons, and as I alluded to, we do not really know who was 'right' anyway. The Remain campaign was really poorly fought in comparison with Leave, also. However, I have paid close attention to the different voting parties and underneath the campaigns, virtually everyone who looked at the question in detail, with a proper attempt to work out what was best, and without a personal agenda, voted Remain - and many of these expressed why in a very convincing way. The same is simply not true for the Leave voters. I have not seen a properly stated (never mind convincing) economic argument for voting Leave. I have not seen a convincing argument that leaving helps us address any problems that we face... certainly not soon, anyway. Am I to believe Leave all have better strategic thinking for the long term? Based on what?
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Other EU countries are already murmuring about having their own referendum. Brexit will be followed by Grexit, Departugal, Italeave, Fruckoff, Czechout, Oustria, Finish, Slovakout, Latervia, Byegium, and Croaciao.
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Other EU countries are already murmuring about having their own referendum. Brexit will be followed by Grexit, Departugal, Italeave, Fruckoff, Czechout, Oustria, Finish, Slovakout, Latervia, Byegium, and Croaciao.
You can't really make a great case for leave because your arguments are all in extreme hypotheticals. In that sense remain had an easier argument as their points were literally and actually happening, giving it more weight then leave.You are right on this. Many people who voted Remain will have done so for poor reasons, and as I alluded to, we do not really know who was 'right' anyway. The Remain campaign was really poorly fought in comparison with Leave, also. However, I have paid close attention to the different voting parties and underneath the campaigns, virtually everyone who looked at the question in detail, with a proper attempt to work out what was best, and without a personal agenda, voted Remain - and many of these expressed why in a very convincing way. The same is simply not true for the Leave voters. I have not seen a properly stated (never mind convincing) economic argument for voting Leave. I have not seen a convincing argument that leaving helps us address any problems that we face... certainly not soon, anyway. Am I to believe Leave all have better strategic thinking for the long term? Based on what?
One of the American late night shows did it a while ago. Possibly Seth Meyers.That was on twitter 2 days ago also
It's not legally binding, right? The powers should just ignore it.. never going to happen though as all the chavs would probably burn down the whole damn country.Come on. Really this is just too stupid to go through with. A bunch of p*ssed off thick-as-pig-sh*t little Englanders decide to completely bite off the hand that feeds them and we all have to go along with it? At the expense of everyone?
Give this referendum the dirty arse treatment and let's just do the right thing. Stay in.
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Also a little thing called equality and democracy. Ignoring this is worse then people voting to leave.It's not legally binding, right? The powers should just ignore it.. never going to happen though as all the chavs would probably burn down the whole damn country.
Generations of inbreeding does that #BarnsleyI'm always surprised by how slowly english speakers speak.
But they have a photo of a bulldog in a Union Jack'Let's make Britain great again! How? We haven't a feckin' scooby...'
Sadly there are too many of them to ignore.Come on. Really this is just too stupid to go through with. A bunch of p*ssed off thick-as-pig-sh*t little Englanders decide to completely bite off the hand that feeds them and we all have to go along with it? At the expense of everyone?
Give this referendum the dirty arse treatment and let's just do the right thing. Stay in.
Sadly, yes. However, sometimes the ignorance of people is so overwhelming that they should be overruled - although that's a dangerous and dark place.Also a little thing called equality and democracy. Ignoring this is worse then people voting to leave.
To basically feck democracy in the face by ignoring this vote would possibly be one of the few things you could do to make things even worse than they already are.It's not legally binding, right? The powers should just ignore it.. never going to happen though as all the chavs would probably burn down the whole damn country.
People aren't equal and democracy is deeply flawed.Also a little thing called equality and democracy. Ignoring this is worse then people voting to leave.
I don't think they can ignore it, but if they think up a good enough reason... freak floods in London, the situation regarding Scotland/Northern Ireland, further EU concessions, all backed by the extreme number of people who voted to remain and they could work around it.It's not legally binding, right? The powers should just ignore it.. never going to happen though as all the chavs would probably burn down the whole damn country.
Yes, the proper argument to Leave could be made but is complex and would not be voted for. The Leave campaign could see that and were consistent 'Take control'... exactly what a lot of people want to hear. The Remain argument is not easier when so many people are hacked off with the status quo but it was made very poorly by those in power because they tried to dumb it down to match Leave.You can't really make a great case for leave because your arguments are all in extreme hypotheticals. In that sense remain had an easier argument as their points were literally and actually happening, giving it more weight then leave.
They just fecked up and tried fear mongering though. Lead to lots of people getting pissed about their tactics and giving leave the ammunition to build an inspired underdog story.
Based on principles. The principle of governing ourselves. The principle of having the capacity to control our own borders and to decide who we want to deport or not and who should have the right to live here.You are right on this. Many people who voted Remain will have done so for poor reasons, and as I alluded to, we do not really know who was 'right' anyway. The Remain campaign was really poorly fought in comparison with Leave, also. However, I have paid close attention to the different voting parties and underneath the campaigns, virtually everyone who looked at the question in detail, with a proper attempt to work out what was best, and without a personal agenda, voted Remain - and many of these expressed why in a very convincing way. The same is simply not true for the Leave voters. I have not seen a properly stated (never mind convincing) economic argument for voting Leave. I have not seen a convincing argument that leaving helps us address any problems that we face... certainly not soon, anyway. Am I to believe Leave all have better strategic thinking for the long term? Based on what?
Realistically they won't do it. However, legally, the HoC could vote against it.I don't think they can ignore it, but if they think up a good enough reason... freak floods in London, the situation regarding Scotland/Northern Ireland, further EU concessions, all backed by the extreme number of people who voted to remain and they could work around it.
I'm a little bit surprised there hasn't been talk of a legal challenge on that front. In the end its inconsequential, London wouldn't have had enough votes to close the gap, but it would buy time which it seems like we're absolutely desperate for right now.People aren't equal and democracy is deeply flawed.
I don't think they can ignore it, but if they think up a good enough reason... freak floods in London, the situation regarding Scotland/Northern Ireland, further EU concessions, all backed by the extreme number of people who voted to remain and they could work around it.
Maybe your opinion. However, that sets up a class system of intolerance in a similar discriminatory way to the way the leavers have been labelled with their immigration argument.Sadly, yes. However, sometimes the ignorance of people is so overwhelming that they should be overruled - although that's a dangerous and dark place.
Equality is what we as a nation should be striving for and democracy is the path of decision making that we have chosen.People aren't equal and democracy is deeply flawed.
I don't think they can ignore it, but if they think up a good enough reason... freak floods in London, the situation regarding Scotland/Northern Ireland, further EU concessions, all backed by the extreme number of people who voted to remain and they could work around it.
We do govern ourselves in all the important ways. Name 5 pieces of EU legislation you would repeal.Based on principles. The principle of governing ourselves. The principle of having the capacity to control our own borders and to decide who we want to deport or not and who should have the right to live here.
I could not care less about the immediate economic impact of this decision although I think it will be a lot less severe than people are making out. In the long term I believe it will be a positive move economically but even if it isn't I can live with that.
There are lots of positive things the EU has done which we can continue to do under our own steam, but for me it was an easy decision to make.
The problem is that most of our problems come from our own government, not the EU. The remain campaign won't admit to that as it weakens their position during elections. Also, Cameron demonising the EU in the past has caused themail people to be hacked off with it.Yes, the proper argument to Leave could be made but is complex and would not be voted for. The Leave campaign could see that and were consistent 'Take control'... exactly what a lot of people want to hear. The Remain argument is not easier when so many people are hacked off with the status quo but it was made very poorly by those in power because they tried to dumb it down to match Leave.
Any law which is passed that we did not agree with is one law too many. You can google just as well as i can what the laws are that we didn't want that we ended up getting. It is not important to me what they were, it's the principle I don't like.We do govern ourselves in all the important ways. Name 5 pieces of EU legislation you would repeal.
You also have to see that there is massive doubt as to whether we will actually get any better control over our borders though right? As in, the other countries in Europe but not in the EU do not have it.
Oh dear. Another extremely weak argument - someone who simply cannot be bothered to do any research and knows next to nothing about border control.Any law which is passed that we did not agree with is one law too many. You can google just as well as i can what the laws are that we didn't want that we ended up getting. It is not important to me what they were, it's the principle I don't like.
There is no 'massive doubt' about border control. If the political will is there then at least now we have the ability to make that decision. We didn't have that before. If whoever is in charge in future years doesn't choose to exercise that right well then it's down to the people who elected them and I'll have to suck it up. Just as everyone who disagrees with brexit will have to do the same now.
Based on principles. The principle of governing ourselves. The principle of having the capacity to control our own borders and to decide who we want to deport or not and who should have the right to live here.
I could not care less about the immediate economic impact of this decision although I think it will be a lot less severe than people are making out. In the long term I believe it will be a positive move economically but even if it isn't I can live with that.
There are lots of positive things the EU has done which we can continue to do under our own steam, but for me it was an easy decision to make.
No sense in talking to the half of the UK who don't understand Parliamentary Sovereignty and the ACTUAL limited scope the EU has in our decision making process in the areas they actually care about. Some wanker is using all the buzzwords they like about making Britain great and taking control.We do govern ourselves in all the important ways. Name 5 pieces of EU legislation you would repeal.
You also have to see that there is massive doubt as to whether we will actually get any better control over our borders though right? As in, the other countries in Europe but not in the EU do not have it.
What I do know about border control is that we can now make our own rules about who comes in from EU countries. Whats so difficult to understand about that?Oh dear. Another extremely weak argument - someone who simply cannot be bothered to do any research and knows next to nothing about border control.
Tired of experts are we?
Couldn't make it up could you, just as well the presenter has no hair.Dan Hannan just said on Newsnight he's in favour of free movement of labour within the EU. Lol.