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You know this is good, when your gooner buddies at work comment "cnut, fecking cnut" on your fb post about him coming to United

As for him not turning up in "big" games. What we desperately needed last year was a flat track bully. We've definitely got that now.
 

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You know this is good, when your gooner buddies at work comment "cnut, fecking cnut" on your fb post about him coming to United

As for him not turning up in "big" games. What we desperately needed last year was a flat track bully. We've definitely got that now.
Yep, win the vast majority of games against those outside of the top 4 and you win the league.
 

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You know this is good, when your gooner buddies at work comment "cnut, fecking cnut" on your fb post about him coming to United

As for him not turning up in "big" games. What we desperately needed last year was a flat track bully. We've definitely got that now.
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Our problem the last two years has not been against the big teams.
 

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I always read about conflicting opinions on this subject. Is there an actually a source where people get this information from or is it opinion based on media reports? It is not the kind of information you would typically be able to isolate on the financial statements.
It’s widely reported that Cristiano Ronaldo has paid back his £80 million transfer fee to Real Madrid just in the value of shirt sales. Examining this claim is not easy as shirt sales are not the only economic impact that signing a player has, things such as a player’s image rights, brand equity and other marketing opportunities are also to be considered while calculating the economic impact created due to the transfer of players. However, let's have close look at the revenue generated by the clubs through shirt sales.

It's not easy to get the exact number of shirts sold as kit manufacturers such as Adidas and Nike rarely announce the total shirts sold per club. And there are no accurate studies/reports made on the economic impact of shirt sales. However, the best study on this subject available in the public domain is done by a German marketing institute. This study looked at sales in the period 2005 to 2009 to get an accurate long-term picture, and found that Manchester United and Real Madrid sold, on average, 1.2 million to 1.5 million shirts per year each. Manchester United for Nike, and Real Madrid for Adidas. It is to be noted that this is the total number of official jerseys sold by the club, inclusive of all player names and unmarked ones as well. These figures seem about accurate, as a more recent media reports also seem to arrive at roughly similar figures.

http://www.sportyghost.com/top-10-highest-selling-club-soccer-jerseys/

http://www.totalsportek.com/football/clubs-with-most-shirt-sales/


In any case, even the most optimistic figures do not cross 1.6 million official shirts sold per season by even the largest clubs. Naturally, this means that no single player sells more than 1.6 million shirts for his club per season either.

Now let's have a look at the cost of one shirt. The official price of a kit usually ranges from €40-70 per shirt, with most being on the lower end of that scale. Let's take the average of that price, say, €55 and multiply it with the total sales per season. It would seem that Manchester United and Real Madrid could conceivably make around €90 million per season from official shirt sales, which sounds great and looks like a massive source of revenue.

However, it's not as simple as that. That price of €55 is the retail price of the kit. Most of the revenue from it goes to the manufacturer, which is why they agree to the huge sponsorship deals in the first place, as sponsorship of a club essentially creates the right to sell their kits. The revenue is also shared between various shipping companies, and often the player himself in the form of his image rights.

Now, there aren’t too many sources available as to the exact amount that the clubs receive as a cut from the retail price. There was a report in The Swiss Ramble blog about Ibrahimovic transfer from Barcelona to Milan and in that report, it was stated that the club receives around €12 as their cut from retail price of the shirt. The link to the above blog:

http://swissramble.blogspot.in/2010/09/zlatan-ibrahimovic-transfer-analysed.html

Based on the reports that Real Madrid or Manchester United selling 1.6 million shirts per season and a club receives €12-13 per shirt sold, these two clubs receives an absolute maximum of €20 million per season. And this figure is very optimistic, as these two clubs are more likely to be selling around the 1.4-1.5 million shirts, so the monetary figure would probably be even lower.

Even this reduced figure still sounds great though, and shirt sales are most definitely a valuable source of revenue. But still the revenue is not anywhere near as it is claimed to be.

And if we compare the revenue from the shirt sales and the players wages, we will surely come to a conclusion that, the shirt sales makes up for the transfer fee is a myth.

For example, Cristiano Ronaldo’s yearly salary is estimated to be around €17 million per year. Thus, based on this analysis, assuming Real Madrid only sell Ronaldo jerseys, they would make only marginally more than his annual salary. Obviously, fans buy jerseys of other players too, which means that the maximum figure of €20 million is the sum total of all the shirts sold, not just Ronaldo ones. Based on these numbers, it becomes rather clear that shirt sales alone cannot cover any superstar player’s annual wages.

Shirt sales are definitely a useful source of revenue for a club, as €10-20 million per season is definitely a sizeable chunk of money. However, the effect that an individual player can have on shirt sales, especially a popular one, is often grossly exaggerated. No player, particularly a superstar, can pay for himself solely on the back of shirt sales.

EDIT: Found the link to The Swiss Ramble blog which states that the club receives around €12 per shirt sold.
 
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Well I didn't mean like that. I didn't mean Zlatan will be specifically used in those negotiations. I meant we will be capable of proving to adidas that we can sell jerseys anywhere as long as we sign the right player because of our fan base all over the world.
Oh i know mate is was just being sarcy and having a bit of fun. ;)

We do need to be signing high profile players and Zlatan is a start.
 

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Good to see it confirmed at last. Hopefully he makes a big impact for a few years, and Rashford learns plenty from him.
 

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Ibrahimovic due in Manchester at lunchtime

Told Ibrahimovic is not due in Manchester until after lunchtime. The private jet firm, Vistajet, not yet confirmed notice to airmen on its landing time, but CES - the security firm who United rely - on have transport sorted.




Ibrahimovic will sign for United
 

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Ibrahimovic due in Manchester at lunchtime

Told Ibrahimovic is not due in Manchester until after lunchtime. The private jet firm, Vistajet, not yet confirmed notice to airmen on its landing time, but CES - the security firm who United rely - on have transport sorted.




Ibrahimovic will sign for United
Hell of a translation job.
 

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It’s widely reported that Cristiano Ronaldo has paid back his £80 million transfer fee to Real Madrid just in the value of shirt sales. Examining this claim is not easy as shirt sales are not the only economic impact that signing a player has, things such as a player’s image rights, brand equity and other marketing opportunities are also to be considered while calculating the economic impact created due to the transfer of players. However, let's have close look at the revenue generated by the clubs through shirt sales.

It's not easy to get the exact number of shirts sold as kit manufacturers such as Adidas and Nike rarely announce the total shirts sold per club. And there are no accurate studies/reports made on the economic impact of shirt sales. However, the best study on this subject available in the public domain is done by a German marketing institute. This study looked at sales in the period 2005 to 2009 to get an accurate long-term picture, and found that Manchester United and Real Madrid sold, on average, 1.2 million to 1.5 million shirts per year each. Manchester United for Nike, and Real Madrid for Adidas. It is to be noted that this is the total number of official jerseys sold by the club, inclusive of all player names and unmarked ones as well. These figures seem about accurate, as a more recent media reports also seem to arrive at roughly similar figures.

http://www.sportyghost.com/top-10-highest-selling-club-soccer-jerseys/

http://www.totalsportek.com/football/clubs-with-most-shirt-sales/


In any case, even the most optimistic figures do not cross 1.6 million official shirts sold per season by even the largest clubs. Naturally, this means that no single player sells more than 1.6 million shirts for his club per season either.

Now let's have a look at the cost of one shirt. The official price of a kit usually ranges from €40-70 per shirt, with most being on the lower end of that scale. Let's take the average of that price, say, €55 and multiply it with the total sales per season. It would seem that Manchester United and Real Madrid could conceivably make around €90 million per season from official shirt sales, which sounds great and looks like a massive source of revenue.

However, it's not as simple as that. That price of €55 is the retail price of the kit. Most of the revenue from it goes to the manufacturer, which is why they agree to the huge sponsorship deals in the first place, as sponsorship of a club essentially creates the right to sell their kits. The revenue is also shared between various shipping companies, and often the player himself in the form of his image rights.

Now, there aren’t too many sources available as to the exact amount that the clubs receive as a cut from the retail price. There was a report on this in The Swiss Ramble blog and as per that report, a club receives around €12-13 as their cut from retail price of the shirt. I can't find the link to that blog, however i am attaching another report from the same blog which talks in details about the kind of money involved in football leagues.

http://swissramble.blogspot.in/2016/02/money-league-oh-you-pretty-things.html

Based on the reports that Real Madrid or Manchester United selling 1.6 million shirts per season and a club receives €12-13 per shirt sold, these two clubs receives an absolute maximum of €20 million per season. And this figure is very optimistic, as these two clubs are more likely to be selling around the 1.4-1.5 million shirts, so the monetary figure would probably be even lower.

Even this reduced figure still sounds great though, and shirt sales are most definitely a valuable source of revenue. But still the revenue is not anywhere near as it is claimed to be.

And if we compare the revenue from the shirt sales and the players wages, we will surely come to a conclusion that, the shirt sales makes up for the transfer fee is a myth.

For example, Cristiano Ronaldo’s yearly salary is estimated to be around €17 million per year. Thus, based on this analysis, assuming Real Madrid only sell Ronaldo jerseys, they would make only marginally more than his annual salary. Obviously, fans buy jerseys of other players too, which means that the maximum figure of €20 million is the sum total of all the shirts sold, not just Ronaldo ones. Based on these numbers, it becomes rather clear that shirt sales alone cannot cover any superstar player’s annual wages.

Shirt sales are definitely a useful source of revenue for a club, as €10-20 million per season is definitely a sizeable chunk of money. However, the effect that an individual player can have on shirt sales, especially a popular one, is often grossly exaggerated. No player, particularly a superstar, can pay for himself solely on the back of shirt sales.
You really ought to get out more..
 

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I know, they just worded it weirdly. :lol:
Probably drunk with all the activity going on. There is supposedly another private flight due in from Dortmund as well this afternoon. Giggs gone, the excitement is killing them.
Another flight heading to Manchester?

A second private jet from Dortmund is heading in this afternoon.




Mkhitaryan's shirt was on sale on the Megastore site
 

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Where are our very own flight trackers?
I tried, but failed to spot any flights from Las Vegas (some member here told me his/her friend got a photo with Zlatan yesterday in Vegas. I think) to Manchester. Failed. :(
 

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I'm skeptical but every transfer brings excitement.

Hope I'm wrong but I just don't think he's what we need. The days of a big striker who can hold up the ball are gone. So much play goes through the fullbacks that they just slip out of the game. They barely see the ball. A No.9 today has to work to be involved. Movement is key. There'll be moments of brilliance but I don't think he's able/willing to give us the movement that disorientates a defence.

Also let's not set the bar too low on the goal front. Fingers crossed we're a good United team next year. A player with his rep should be scoring 30+(all comps) if that's the case. RvN did it consistently in ok/average United teams. This talk of 20 goals being a success is wide of the mark.
 

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I'm skeptical but every transfer brings excitement.

Hope I'm wrong but I just don't think he's what we need. The days of a big striker who can hold up the ball are gone. So much play goes through the fullbacks that they just slip out of the game. They barely see the ball. A No.9 today has to work to be involved. Movement is key. There'll be moments of brilliance but I don't think he's able/willing to give us the movement that disorientates a defence.

Also let's not set the bar too low on the goal front. Fingers crossed we're a good United team next year. A player with his rep should be scoring 30+(all comps) if that's the case. RvN did it consistently in ok/average United teams. This talk of 20 goals being a success is wide of the mark.
He movement is one of his strengths i thought in fact some of the criticism on here was that he sometimes drops deep. he tends to moves towards the ball to give team mates options and pull defenders out of position then will hold it up and layoff/pass to a moving team mate or work some space for a shot.

Or do you mean in the box movement like say an hernandez?
 

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So Ibra's flying in at lunch time, Miki at 3.30pm. I'm assuming Pogba should be there by evening for the 7.30pm Wings reservation.
 

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I didn't take his post that time to actually be referring to shirt sales but more how he helps our brand as a whole. It might not have a huge impact as some are saying but it's the type of thing that helps us keep a continued global presence and in turn allows us to get the huge sponsorship deals.
This is exactly what I indicate. @Twigginater is correct in the sense that the increase in shirt numbers alone won’t make a massive difference. No doubt we will attract more fans based on Zlatan signing himself, but it won’t be an exponential difference.


However, my post alludes to the bigger picture. Money from shirt sales isn’t the sole reason that football teams get a good sponsorship deal. There are plenty of teams who earn less in shirt sales but have a better sponsorship deal.


In fact, Chelsea sold more shirts than us last season but our sponsorship deal dwarfs theirs. The primary reason for this is that we are the far bigger brand and are followed worldwide by more people than arguably any other club. Making Big name signings like Zlatan will only add to our brand and reinforce our commercial Juggernaut whilst attracting even more fans and improving our commerciality even further.
 
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He movement is one of his strengths i thought in fact some of the criticism on here was that he sometimes drops deep. he tends to moves towards the ball to give team mates options and pull defenders out of position then will hold it up and layoff/pass to a moving team mate or work some space for a shot.

Or do you mean in the box movement like say an hernandez?
I don't think dropping deep is enough, that's not really movement in mind. Not that kind that causes problems for the opposition anyway. Defenders love football being played in front of them, it's easy to defend. We did it for half of last season with Rooney up front. He got rightfully slated for it.
 

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Thought there would be more flight tracking here, kinda disappointed
 

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I don't think dropping deep is enough, that's not really movement in mind. Not that kind that causes problems for the opposition anyway. Defenders love football being played in front of them, it's easy to defend. We did it for half of last season with Rooney up front. He got rightfully slated for it.
I agree that's what defenders like but i don't think that he just comes deep, from what i have seen he pop's up all over the place finding pockets of space and gets defenders turning and running back. I don't think defenders have found it easy to defend against him over the years and i don't see that his game has changed that much over the last 10 years.

Maybe i see Zlatan the legend you see Ricky Lambert :)

I'm not saying he is a guaranteed success and but worst case he gets dropped for Rashford.
 
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