Is he developing into a second striker?
Dele Alli is England's best young midfielder playing in Turkey
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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If you'd actually read the thread rather than just cluelessly wading in with insults, you'd know that the reason why I and many others in this thread are talking about Martial is because NK86 introduced the topic in post #737 by saying:Why are you even talking about Martial you weirdo?
"Alli is not the best of them. That mantle goes to Martial." @NK86
TBF I'm still abit unsure about him. So far he has exceeded expectations as a young #10, but I'm not sure whether does he future lie in that position or can he really break into the top echelons of talents. Look at someone like James Rodriguez for example. Alli is similar to him in the sense that both of them are like a #10/Second Striker hybrid. They aren't particularly great at dribbling or playmaking, they don't really have the know-how to play in a deeper position and they lack the pace to play on the wings. James is out-of-favour at Real and have faded away badly because they realised he isn't someone who can either compliment his teammates or elevate the team to another level using his sheer ability. Now I'm don't think any of the big clubs in Europe bar PSG would want him.
Players like Martial, Weigl, Dembele have a more defined and obvious set of skills for the positions they play in. Therefore its easier to see their potential and future.
Players like Martial, Weigl, Dembele have a more defined and obvious set of skills for the positions they play in. Therefore its easier to see their potential and future.
He's a cracking player. And I rarely say that about English players.
I read the whole thread and I don't care about that, I didn't mention him nor compared him with Alli so why you felt the need to mention him is weird to me.
The latest round of Real Madrid interested in Alli rumours surfacing.
I don't take too much notice of the English media rumours but when it appears in the Spanish media which tends to be much better informed then it's time to take more notice.
Real no doubt are interested but they will also know that he will be very hard to get and that the £50m being mentioned is fantasy land, I wouldn't expect Alli to be too interested at this stage of his career either. Maybe in 3 or 4 years if Real come in it would be good for him, but this is too soon.
I don't take too much notice of the English media rumours but when it appears in the Spanish media which tends to be much better informed then it's time to take more notice.
Real no doubt are interested but they will also know that he will be very hard to get and that the £50m being mentioned is fantasy land, I wouldn't expect Alli to be too interested at this stage of his career either. Maybe in 3 or 4 years if Real come in it would be good for him, but this is too soon.
Wishful thinking that, mate. If Real decide to make their interest in Alli a reality via a concrete bid, he's as good as gone the next day. It's Real Madrid - the second biggest club in world football after United - any player who harbours even the slightest sense of ambition would jump at the chance to play for them. You would have to be incredibly naive to think otherwise.
Spurs - Real Madrid. There is simply no comparison to be made.
Depend on people' opinion. Mine is yes, he is the second forward. When Kane moves wide or drops deep, Alli plays in their furthest central position.
There is gossip Real Madrid is sniffing around. Do you guys reckon a world transfer fee for Alli "better than Pogba"?
Not always, Son played there the other day and Alli played with Eriksen in between Wanyama & Son.
He's not utilised as a second forward, depending on what system Poch uses he occupies a number of roles.
Wtf are you are on about? I've already said that I didn't introduce the subject of Martial (in comparison to Alli) into this thread. I've simply commented on the subject, like many others, once it had been introduced.
I couldn't give a rat's arse whether or not you personally have mentioned him or whether or not you personally have compared him to Alli.
I would be happy if Madrid pay 50/55 m€ but no more...How much do you think that is his real market price? considering that is a midfielder while Bale was an attacking player.
It's what his value is to us and I don't think there's any chance Spurs Real reaching agreement.
Well, I do not know if it will be this summer, but his name is not going anywhere. Regarding the possibility of an agreement, it is clear that negotiating with Levy is very complicated but we already know how ended the matter with Modric and Bale.
From what I read he earns 3.65 million euros (I do not know whether net or gross). The issue will come when clubs start doubling his salary. Can Tottenham match any offer? And in case you can not, I imagine that it will be more interesting to sell him abroad than to reinforce a team of the premier, as happened before.
I don't think there is anywhere in the PL he would want to leave Spurs for anyway. He will no doubt in the next year or so get another new deal, as Spurs tend to do which will likely take him over the 100k a week barrier.
If he leaves it will only be to one of the big 2 and Real would be the more likely than Barca but the money IMHO would be more than Bale cost.
He shouldn't leave Spurs right now. Poch knows how to utilize him and maximize his strengths and he's a critical piece to a team pushing for CL football again. I don't think his all around game is far along yet that he would be successful at a club like Real, not to mention the players he'd be competing against for playing time and that it's not a club renowned for their patience in bedding in a young player.
Maybe in a couple of years he'd be ready to make that type of step, but shouldn't even be a consideration right now.
Maybe in a couple of years he'd be ready to make that type of step, but shouldn't even be a consideration right now.
Agree with all of that, it's way too early for him.
@GlastonSpur why are you ignoring this? You kept the arguement that Alli has more goals for so long and now that Alli was YPOTY, well Martial won Golden Boy (an international prize) over Alli so that cancels eachother out pretty much.Goals both players have scored in last 1.5 seasons:
Real would be dumb to buy Alli considering that there's already James over there who is unwanted and will probably leave in the summer. I'm sure Alli wouldn't want to follow in the footsteps of James too.
Yeah, I have to agree that he's second striker playing very centrally and close to Kane. Last year, Alli played coming from the left and made a great impact. But this year, his finishing and play around the box has been impressive. Alli plays in a supporting attacking role to Kane, with Eriksen the true midfield conductor floating where needed with a great combo of Dembele and Wanyama behind them and coming forward when possible.
That's what he does. A chicken-shit hit and run merchant who disappears when someone makes a post that indisputably punctures his argument and/or whenever Spurs have their perennial collapse.
Like for like is the PL and Alli's numbers in this competition are superior, he hasn't really played for us in the LC or FA Cup (a total of circa 100 mins between them) where the opposition is weaker.
You've got to give it to him though, we've seen many WUMs over the years but none as dedicated and relentless as him and gotten as many bites. Quite unbelievable and pitiable really.
Teams Martial has scored against in the FAC/LC are West Ham, Everton and Ipswich. Apart from Ipswich they're not really weak.
Martial has scored against more European teams too: CSKA, Fenerbahce and Wolfsburg compared to just CSKA for Alli.
Glaston was the one who brought up Alli being the greater goalscorer in all competitions.
Well if you didn't before, you surely re-introduced it when quoting me. You mention Martial to me and then you say you don't care about him
Something is fecked up in your brain.
Tbf, he hasn't exactly committed any serious infractions, he just constantly tries to wind people up but it's up to others not to take the bait and ignore him.
He doesn't care now since he based his comparison on incorrect stats. Those stats go against Alli so it's time to move onWell if you didn't before, you surely re-introduced it when quoting me. You mention Martial to me and then you say you don't care about him
Something is fecked up in your brain.
He is a great novelty item. He is probably kept around for publicity and entertainment purposes.Can't fathom why he hasn't been banned.
At least we have the block function.
I've even seen him mentioned over at RAWK and BM.
The FA Cup and especially LC are weakened teams, not usually their PL teams, hence why Alli hasn't really appeared in either comp for us. Doesn't Martial have quite a few goals in the domestic cups? Not that they are insignificant and makes much difference but only the PL is like for like.
Chelsea, City, United - all are better place to be rather than Spurs in the league.
I don't think he's worth the amount cited, mind, but that wouldn't stop a team like City grabbing him up.
I think your overestimate Spurs' pulling power. Why would Alli stay at a club with no major honours in over 20 years v a club that has a rich history of honours and tradition that even having under performed for the last 4 years have managed a major honour within the last year.
Alli can be and will be tempted by the big clubs of the premier league, classic case of big fish small pond mentality.
The biggest pull Spurs have - London and even then they are 3rd choice destination behind Chelsea and Arse.
If he wants to progress with his career, he will have to leave Spurs eventually.
If you're using the weakened team argument you have to apply to us as well. Most would agree it's not ideal to play in "cup" team when wanting to play to your best.
Alli isn't good enough or 'galactico' enough for Real. If they did sign him, he'd be gone within 3 years.
I'm not ignoring this ... I've simply been busy doing other things, if that's OK with you.
The stats site I quoted - whoscored.com - doesn't include domestic cup competitions for some reason, which I didn't know about. So I'm happy to acknowledge that Martial has scored a few more goals than Alli when these are included.
But in the league, Alli has outscored Martial by 5 goals, plus has 3 more assists.
So all in all, especially considering that Martial plays as an out-and-out forward whilst Alli doesn't (and indeed has played in CM in several games), the original claim that Martial is "easily" a better player than Alli just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
You been on that Villa forum?
I see you're resorting to your frequent tactic of hurling insults. I've been away from the site for most of the day doing other things ... but it seems a few hours is all it takes for you come out with your stupid accusations.
Why don't you grow up?
Money will always be an issue, the rest is the past.
London is a massive draw and I don't think he will be tempted by any other English club. Barca and Real are different, they are monster clubs and if one of them comes calling with serious intentions we will struggle, but I think it's 2-3 years too early for that if at all.
Lol ... I've haven't posted on any football site other than COYS and here for donkey's years. I've been working if you really want to know .. and it seems you do.
It seems you've become confused. I haven't said I don't care about Alli. I said I didn't care whether or not you had compared him to Martial.Well if you didn't before, you surely re-introduced it when quoting me. You mention Martial to me and then you say you don't care about him
Something is fecked up in your brain.