That's why he's a squad player and not a nail-in starter. He has his part to play in some games and he does it very good.
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Well said.
The last couple of months he has really upped his game. Definitely justifying his inclusion ahead of others at the minute.
Probably his best game in a United shirt today. Not often used like this, maybe it's a niche.
I don't want to pan him after a decent performance but thats such a cop out, its ok that he is poor for the majority of the season if he plays well in a handful of big games because he is a squaddie, no thats not ok. Squad players for us need to be better than that, thats where the issue is our squad players need to be of a higher standard if we are to challenge for the top spots again.
Did park only play well in big games? no, fletcher? no, ole? no, nani? no they all contributed massively. He has played maybe 5 good games that I've seen this season I'll stretch it to 6/7 at best but he's played what 30+ games so been poor or underwhelming in 20+? thats just not good enough.
seemed lively today, lets hope he continues into the next games and not back to shitness like we've seen all season
He was fantastic today. Constant movement off the ball and linked up very well with his pal Rashford.
This is the first time today where I though he has the capability to play for Man United for a long time. Credit to Jose.
Jesse always had/has the look of someone extremely skilled and intelligent with ball control and link up play but lacking the foundations to threaten in front of goal consistently in a game. Jose seems to be coaching this in to him slowly and he has come along as a player since the start of the season. Keep it up Jesse !
Jesse always had/has the look of someone extremely skilled and intelligent with ball control and link up play but lacking the foundations to threaten in front of goal consistently in a game. Jose seems to be coaching this in to him slowly and he has come along as a player since the start of the season. Keep it up Jesse !
I really wonder how much football some people watch when I look at the comments on the Caf. Lingard is a decent little player who had earnt his game time this year though very hard work. He is literally everywhere on the pitch and is so unselfish in what he does.
Valuable addition to the squad.
Valuable addition to the squad.
Proud of him, excellent display to day.
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Some people just don't like being proven wrong, do they?
Good performance today. Well done Jesse.
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That's just the way that I talk yo
For a 'squad player' he's got a real knack of making telling contributions. I rate him highly, and there's a lot more to come from him yet.
Really good understanding with Rashford. Im hoping we see the same two against City away esp if we end up seeing it against Stones and possibly Kompany.
That was excellent. He completely ran himself out yesterday and had to be substituted because he just ran out of energy. Movement, pressing, one-two's with Rashford, all very good.
I just can't believe people are still moaning about his involvement in the team. I have seen other players showered with praise for doing far less. All they have to do is execute one fancy trick, or make one run in game and people find them the best thing ever. Yesterday Lingard put in so much energy, I was worried that he would drop due to cramp. He was just excellent.
He exemplified what it means to play for Manchester United. On the pitch, names and reputation do not stand for much. Your commitment, determination and will to win is what really matters. Very happy seeing his performance yesterday. Hope he keeps it up.
I just can't believe people are still moaning about his involvement in the team. I have seen other players showered with praise for doing far less. All they have to do is execute one fancy trick, or make one run in game and people find them the best thing ever. Yesterday Lingard put in so much energy, I was worried that he would drop due to cramp. He was just excellent.
He exemplified what it means to play for Manchester United. On the pitch, names and reputation do not stand for much. Your commitment, determination and will to win is what really matters. Very happy seeing his performance yesterday. Hope he keeps it up.
If that's the impression you got from yesterday's match then I don't think Football is the game for you.
Top workrate today and his movement and link up play up front with Rashford is so good to see. Like i have said before, if he can be deadlier in front of goal, he would be such a good player.
He had more than a few like you say "decent" games this season and also last season as well.
He always puts a shift in when he's called upon, and this system we played today suits him obviously.
Nani was contributing massively? Yeah he had a good game, raise our hopes to believe he'll finally starting to reach that massive potential he had, only for us to be disappointed when he was invisible for the next few games.
You can't compare those two at all, because Nani when he was motivated and in form he was a world beater, easily behind Messi and Ronaldo. Sadly there was just a few moments like these.
Fletcher played a completely different position in which is easier to contribute more. If Lingard played as CMF you would be praising him for his effort and energy, like it was with Fletcher.
Ole and Lingard is just a bad comparison.
You missed the point I'm not talking about being better at cm or striker I'm talking about what they brought to the team.
In terms of contribution or level of performance, not just actual position surely you must of understood that!
Their level of performance was much better, being a cm is not easier to contribute ha it's a vital role in the team if you don't perform the opposition steam roles through you.
I understand your point but again Lingard has contributed this and previous season.
You need to remember the fact that players you mentioned have played under a single manager, that man being the greatest manager ever.
Whilst on the other hand Lingard was given a chance by Giggs, he got injured and then he had to play under 2 different managers with 2 completely different tactics.
Don't forget how much slack Fletcher was getting before finally being recognized as an important part of the team. If I have to compare Lingard with someone it would be Park, loving the shirt, leaves his all on the pitch, scores an odd goal here and there and does everything the manager asks from him.
Him being a local lad that has come through all levels in UTD and the fact that he loves the shirt and the badge makes it all that better.
Not a wide player. Play him centrally and he will cause problems with his energy and movement. Great performance
Surely Jesse gives us something the other players we have up front doesn't. This is the exact reason for having a squad rather than just the same 11 players every game. Nobody else could have done his job as well yesterday regardless of form simply because it is what he offers to the team and the other players don't.
I agree that he doesn't look at his best when we have to break down a defensive team but that is when the players who can do this come in (again, use the squad properly). Mourinho is probably trying to coach that into his game and improve him at this, but it doesn't take away the fact that he is important to us when we want somebody to put a shift in up front and close down space in that area.
This
I'm convinced we're starting to see a lot of youngsters on here who remember very little of Fergies time. Ferguson loved a hard working squad player and had plenty less skillful than our Lingard.
Tremendous performance. You can see why Jose keeps picking him when he needs work rate and effort put in and on that scale he is miles ahead of Martial at the moment. He ran himself in to the ground literally and how often can that be said about a United player in recent memory.
My memory's a little hazy, how much did Rashford and Lingard play together at youth level?
It feels like they've come through together but there's a fairly hefty gap of 5 years between them in terms of age.
On the pitch they seem almost telepathic though like they've grown up through the ranks together.
It feels like they've come through together but there's a fairly hefty gap of 5 years between them in terms of age.
On the pitch they seem almost telepathic though like they've grown up through the ranks together.
Demonstrated exactly why he's a very good squad option.
Very impressed by Lingard's contribution.
Given his age, I'll be massively disappointed if he doesn't kick on from here, starting next season. There was a moment following the second goal where Lingard curled a shot over the bar. He should be getting that on target.
If he can work on his finishing and delivery from wide areas in the offseason, he'll be a massive asset to us off the bench, or starting some games across multiple fronts.
Given his age, I'll be massively disappointed if he doesn't kick on from here, starting next season. There was a moment following the second goal where Lingard curled a shot over the bar. He should be getting that on target.
If he can work on his finishing and delivery from wide areas in the offseason, he'll be a massive asset to us off the bench, or starting some games across multiple fronts.
The fact he's gotten a new contract shows him club and the management believe in him and IMO it will further motivate him to give better and better.
Basically never. As you say, they're about three 'generations' apart.
Even if yesterday's game hadn't happened I still just don't understand the hate Lingard gets. He's a local lad who loves the club, always works hard and is happy to do whatever it is the manager asks of him. Then you factor in the big goals he's scored, performances like yesterday, his movement, pressing, quick passing. You really can't ask for much more from a squad player.
Only pace which just isn't enough for us, he doesn't offer more than mhiki, a lot of people are saying "oh well Martial isn't performing" but martial isn't being played through the middle.
I agree that currently as we don't have many options with mhiki rested and mata injured and Rooney losing all footballing ability that lingard will play but I can only hope we strength the squad next window in his position and he can go back to 20 games a season as opposed to what will likely be 40
Consistency is the main problem, yes squad players can be consistent before we go on that merry go round
Lingard was playing with the likes of Pogba, Morrison and the Keane brothers. He's actually closer to Danny Welbeck in age than to Rashford.
I think the understanding comes from them both being raised in the United system from an early age (they can truly be considered United products compared to the likes of Januzaj or Pogba) and so both will have become naturals at the same movement drills etc. Welbeck displayed a similar eagerness to link play in the final third and would be on the same wave-length as well I imagine.
Seconded. I bet SAF would be face-palming a whole lot if he were to read just how underappreciated squad players who put in a shift are. Lingard works his heart out, has good technique and movement, a knack for important goals, and won't bitch if he's benched for a stretch of games. We might be able to get a better player than him in, but the amount of work-rate and the attitude when benched would be rare to see in one of those nailed-on starters that people would prefer to him in the squad.
They've never played together at youth level, by the time Rashford got into the u21s Lingard was with the seniors
At about the same age, 2007/2008 season, Darren Fletcher was often talked about as a big game player. He was often made fun of here on the Caf as SAF's son and it was said that that was the only reason he was in the team. Personally I see Lingard's trajectory along the same lines as Fletcher. I wish I could pull up some of the threads about Fletcher in his early years. Many of the same things said about Lingard were said about Fletcher.
Park in that same season had 2 goals and 1 assist to his name yet was considered an integral piece to that same team being the equivalent of 1 year older the Lingard. Park's most memorable games for me were against Arsenal. Neither Park nor Fletcher were good enough to make the bench for the UCL final that year.
Stats:
Lingard 28 started 17 sub 10 goals 3 assists
Fletcher 17 started 15 subs 4 goals 1 assist
Park 22 started 4 subs 2 goal 1 assist
Park (previous year) 35 started 15 subs 13 goals 4 assists
Some players make the team look better even if they themselves are not contributing to goals and assists. Many compare his play to Park which I believe is a good assessment but his trajectory may be more like Fletcher. Being a big game player is great. Now he needs to work on consistency to carry that to the smaller games. Something both Park and Fletcher had to do as well. Let's also not forget that Lingard is a year behind due to his long absence in LVG's first season due to injury similar to Fletcher and his early injuries.
Edit: Found some
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/darren-fletchers-future.178012/ Not good enough to play in front of O'Shea
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/darren-fletcher.156663/ The first post is classic
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/missing-darren-fletcher.198326/ Big game player
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Another thing people always forget is that player development isn't linear. Some players reach a high level at age 21 and are touted to reach the levels of the world's best, but fail to push on. Others gradually add pieces to their game, year after year, and peak in their late 20's.
I'm not sure Lingard has much more upside to push to, but if he can achieve a bit more consistency in presenting an attacking threat and delivering end product then he goes from just a squad player to pushing for a starting spot. As things stand he's easily deserving of his place as a member of the squad and people that slate him constantly are just over the top.
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