Where have I ever rooted for him ? Just making an assessment as to his quality.
Álvaro Morata | Performances
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You clearly hope your (IMO giddy) assessment is correct. Therefore you're hoping he scores 30-40 goals. That's rooting for him.
Exactly, Madrid want world's best or one of world's best in every position. Strikers being no exception, if he had all the tools to become one would Madrid be tossing him aside and be prepared to throw absurd sums of money on an 18 year old? That's not even taking into account he's Spanish, why would a Spanish club not want a Spanish world beater playing as a striker for their club?
Madrid bought him back solely for the purpose of making a huge profit on him, given desperation of United and Chelsea they found a perfect club to rinse and they did just that.
36 goals in 44 appearances, by any yardstick a tremendous debut season which is what you're predicting for a striker who has never been a clinical goalscorer to begin with.
I totally agree, but I do believe we may be looking a bit too much into this problem. I honestly believe that Martial, Mkhi, Pogba, Mata and Rashford will all out score themselves this year compared to last.
If The theory that Matic frees up our attackers a bit more is to be believed. We should have more players in goal scoring positions.
IMO being the key term. Just because he's a Chelsea player doesn't mean we have to reflexively proclaim in unison that he's shit, followed by several green smileys. I happen to think Ageuro, Kane, Lewandowski et al are also fantastic players, and Ronaldo and Messi seem to actually have their own full time supporters here. All I did is say Morata is a fantsatic player and that he will score boatloads of goals.
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He had the 2nd highest goals to minutes scoring ratio in Spain behind only Messi last year. Not that I'm bigging him up for fear of upsetting Pogue again, but that's about as clinical as it gets.
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Excellent debut. Will score goals no doubt about that. Good signing
Lots of players have had high mpg scoring ratios in other leagues before playing in the BPL, this stat means feck all until proven otherwise.
I don't think it's a new low Pogue. You've been complaining about this shit for years! I know that because I had similar arguments with you almost a decade ago. You're just getting old...
I do mean that semi-seriously too. I'm fairly certain that you're more partisan than the average United fan these days. I assume Raoul is a similar age to you but as an American football fan I assume he got into the sport later than you, built up an affinity with the team later than you and when he started building that affinity, he was exposed to a much wider range of sports and football teams. All of that limits the strength of the connection. The lack of a local, geographical link means the team objectively has less relevance to that individual, and that weakens the connection further.
I'm definitely less partisan than you. I hope Morata and Chelsea crash and burn miserably, but if they don't, I don't find it upsetting. I'd rather enjoy the football they play in that scenario. That way I'm happy when we win and less unhappy when other teams win, which to me is a more enjoyable experience. It probably means the peaks and troughs that we love about sport are less dramatic for me but hey-ho. I find the alternative odd. It's not like sport is a particularly logical thing in the first place.
I'd imagine a big part of the reason for that is about exposure. A lot of that lifelong connection is built up when we're young, and we know that you're more football crazy as a kid than you are as an adult, so when I went through my phase of bingeing on football I did it while watching more of United than you did at the same age in terms of volume, but as a proportion of my overall football consumption it was significantly larger. That must have some impact.
When you throw the constant coverage of all teams in with the globalisation of the sport, it makes logical sense that the connection to the team weakens over time. I don't know if there's been any longitudinal study on it done but I'd be very surprised if it contradicted that hypothesis.
I reckon it's probably true of most sports. If you want to partake in a game that's more partisan than ever, politics is where it's at right now. It's technically not a game but when a signification portion of participants at the bottom and at the top consider it to be one, the lines become increasingly blurred...
Or Apple vs. Android. I imagine it's still intensifying.
Well yeah, that's why I reduced it from 35 goals to 30 goals - it was just simpler. You could do it another way and say if he starts 40+ games in all competitions, I bet he doesn't score 35+ goals.
I don't think it's a big deal. I just think I'd be fun. And now I find it amusing that you're so hesitant to stand by your prediction despite you apparent certainty that you're right.
You don't have to bet someone to stand by a prediction. Why don't we save our posts and revisit this next April/May.
It actually does mean something when its done in a league that has produced the past 4 Champions League winners. If it we were the Moldovan 3rd division then I may agree with you.
Dont think he will score more than 20 goals in the league.
Then remind me how well Falcao did?
He did very well in Spain. So have Ronaldo and Messi.
It only means something if Morata equals or betters them stats this season.
When he came to England
Very misleading. He was also struggling with the recovery following a major injury. Not a very good comparison.
Sure, you don't have tom but why is it you're so against doing so? What's the harm if you're so certain?
Tasty cameo
Ahh yes. The classic moving of goal posts....
There's no harm at all. I just don't need to reinforce my e-masculinity by engaging in bets related to run of the mill forum chats.
@Brwned alluded to this in his posts earlier, Giroud had a better goals to minute ratio of any striker in the PL bar Harry Kane last season. Does that make him a 'clinical' goalscorer too?
You can't cherry pick stats from a season where he was a squad player to represent his quality, a better assessment would be to look at last 3 seasons. He scored 15 goals in 46 appearances in 14/15, that's a goal every 153.6 minute. Following season he scored 12 in 47 apperance, goal per minute ratio at 198.3. Last season, he scored 20 in 43 appearances with goals per minute ratio at 93.1. I have done enough math for myself, now its up to you take mean of this and calculate it with the names you mentioned in i.e., Kane, Lewandowski or Aguero. A minor spoiler for you, he comes no where close.
Giroud has been effective for Arse. He wasn't particularly clinical against us last year was he.
Dear god, he needs to prove himself in this league first is my point...Ah sure go and give him the Ballon Dor now seeing as his mpg ratio was high in a 1 team, then a 3 team league.
Right. You only need to reinfoce your e-masculinity by condescendingly dismissing other people's opinions as irrational and emotional, while simultaneously announcing that you have a high probability of being right, irrespective of conflicting evidence. Or by posting pictures of the manliest thing a sophisticated man can do - cook a good steak. Each to their own.
Don't capitulate so easily Brwned. If you're confident in your argument then continue making it.
Well said
You make some good points. I think someone once pointed out that fanboying over individual players is a big part of being into American sports. Something to do with drafts or somesuch. Always seemed alien as feck to me but hey, it takes all sorts. I need to learn to be less weirded out each time this stuff comes up!
The way he wanted to get to the end of that cross reminded me about Ronaldo.
That move impressed me and I thought his overall play was good.
That move impressed me and I thought his overall play was good.
The only argument I made in this thread was the one which you either ignored or dismissed, with no explanation for why. The idea that a prolific supersub = an elite goalscorer when played regularly has been made and disproven for years. There's no point in making the argument again when you've got reason for not engaging in it.
That's not really a cogent argument though. There is nothing to suggest a player who was used more as a sub for one season doesn't have the quality to replicate the same performances when played as a starter. The quality is still there irrespective of whether the manager chooses to utilize it. What is important is the results, not whether or not they were achieved as a starter or sub since that is something the player has no control over.
I find the obsession with him bizarre. He's not even an ex-player or anything. Just some guy we were interested in but didn't sign. 5 pages since today's game.
Happy to see Morata doing well. More of the same from him would be good.
Other than the many, obvious, examples of when that has happened with other players.
Its because we are quite desperate that he fails so we can feel more justified that buying Lukaku was the correct decision. If we weren't heavily linked with him this thread would barely exist.
It seems moreso the posters who wanted him over Lukaku wanting to be right, rather than vice versa. I reckon there are people on here who would genuinely take pleasure in seeing him succeed and Lukaku fail, so that they can prove they were right, going by some posts on here today.
Mentioned it for Pogue really, but I do like him as a player.
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