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Conor McGregor vs Floyd Mayweather | Again?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Yeah well I'm not. Ricky Hatton was a decent boxer, nothing more. Again, for the last time, it cleary illustrated that against Mayweather.
On one hand, Mayweather is the best boxer of his era. On the other, if you lose to him, you're average and the rest of your career is redundant.
Guess Pac is shit, too.
Very much so. I was all in on the Hatton train but Mayweather gave him a fecking lesson that night.
Obviously they avoided each other at their pomp. Why ruin their rep? But, no, of course Pac was a great boxer. Not as good as Mayweather though.
You rated hatton as a boxer?
I don't consider him 'mediocre'.
Well he is though. Maybe not in his generation but in the history of boxing he's no one.
Yeah, just a two weight world champion with wins over hall of famers like Kostya Tszyu. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Kostya Tszyu was over the hill when he fought him. In his pomp, Kostya would beat Hatton into a fecking pulp with sheer speed.
Only fights Tszyu lost is when he allowed cameras into his camp. although, admittedly, I've no idea what suppose to mean.
Ah, you're a WUM. Ignore time.
Yeah if you think that Hatton was a better boxer than Kostya then ignore me for sure.
Why is there a spoiler in the thread title?
Glad this is over. Hope Floyd stays retired and takes the circus with him. Will be surprised if it did more than 1.5m, which is still a lot but will be a flop, considering was built up to do similar numbers as May-Pac fight. The arena wasn't even sold out..
The arena didn't sell out because of the nutty pricing. I think it might clear 2 million on PPV. I'm going to guess about 2.5. Can't see it getting close to the 4.4 million that Floyd / Pac did.
Honestly, I'm not wumming, and I'm always open to reasonable debate. But Ricky hatton is without a doubt the most overrated of the bunch when it comes to hyped up U.K. Fighters.
His technique was below average and his jab (as mocked by mayweather many times on the 24/7 build up show) was disgustingly bad for a professional boxer.
Hatton benefited more from media hype than anyone I can remember. The man he beat for the WBU light welterweight belt was Tony Pep, a man who wouldn't make a top 5000 list of boxing champions at any weight class. As the new champion, he was extremely well matched for his next half a dozen fights and knocked people out/forced stoppages with ease but the calibre of opponent was laughable. He kept winning, and when the opponents got a little better in quality he started winning decisions (one of them pretty suspect IIRC) then he got a couple of extremely easy fights that he knew he could force a stoppage. With that, they built up the kosta fight and you'd have been forgiven for thinking tszyu was the second coming of sugar ray Robinson. The fact is he was past it, and should have retired after he beat zab judah. Anyone who watched kosta two fights before hatton knew that he was gone as far as being competitive against a younger hungrier fighter went.
Hattons skills were exposed so badly against mayweather that I'd refer to it as the fight to watch if you want to understand the term "taking someone to school". Pacquiao knocked him out with absolute ease.
Anyone who holds world titles, it's hard to refer to them as a mediocre boxer, but in hattons case it's absolutely true. A warrior, an excellent heart and amazing fan a base but as a pure boxer he was just really really bad.
Why the spoiler in the title?
Why not ? There was far more hype going into this than the Pac fight. McGregor is a master hype merchant so it stands to reason the PPV buys will be pretty solid.
And yet he stopped Kostya, stopped Castillo, stopped Paulie, beat Tackie, Urango, Collazo (just about) and as I said, is a two weight champ. I'm not arguing that he's SRR. Just that he wasn't mediocre.
Pele Reid is a mediocre boxer.
Anything over a million is a solid PPV, in my opinion. Yeah the fight was hyped, but a lot of people saw it for what it was. A one sided cash grab.
Pac / Floyd, on the other hand, wasn't anywhere near as clear cut, and was years in the making.
Ridiculous to call Hatton mediocre. He was ranked as Ring Magazine no 4 P4P fighter at his peak. His technique at range might not have been that great but there is more than one way to skin a cat in boxing and his infighting was excellent.
Mayweather suggested that the fight beat the Pac PPV numbers last night. Let's see what the final numbers are.
Please, if you're going to retort with names understand the context of it all. The only remotely impressive one there is Castillo, who fought at light welterweight a handful of times and who came into that fight a dehydrated mess.
I doubt it to be honest. As a one off it was fine. There was a clear winner...Mayweather was coasting to a victory on points and stopped the fight there's no real controversy (even McGregor was basically saying he would lose just wanted chance to carry on a bit more.)
I'm guessing McGregor fights once or twice more in the UFC and is then done. Diaz 3 and Khabib or the winner of Lee vs Ferguson (might be in the minority but Lee vs McGregor could do huge numbers based on the fact they'd be good at hyping the fight.)
I don't think Floyd, Conor or Dana really see a need for the rematch.
@FC Ronaldo put it in. I'll remove.
It would be pretty incredible if it breaks that record. I imagine it might make Dana rethink his stance on future UFC guys versus boxers. He seemed pretty adamant that he won't consider it again in the post fight presser, but money talks.
All of them were better than mediocre at the time, probably all top 5-10 at worst in the division.
You think beating Castillo, a smaller guy, is more impressive than beating the lineal champion in Kostya? Please indeed.
Bernard Dunne was the man though. Some fighter, in fairness.
Aldo got smoked in 13 seconds. He's not really in a position to laugh.
I think somewhere in between 3.5 and 4
I think Hatton was favourite for both all things considered.
As a fighter, one of the best in his division during that era.
I'm more referring to his boxing IQ. It was non existent, and as soon as he was matched against a fighter not over the hill, and not of a custom made style for him to benefit from, he looked just as much of a newcomer to boxing as mcgregor did last night. Go back and objectively decide which was more powerful, some of the right hands mcgregor ate last night, or the stepping back left hand that Mayweather used to put down hatton.
I remember hattons trainer in the build up to that fight speaking to the referee and pretty much begging him to let Hatton do work in the clench (which he was excellent at, albeit borderline illegal most of the time) which was an admission that he just didn't have the necessary technique to engage properly against an elite opponent.
Excellent brawler, occasionally good body shots but a fecking god awful pugilist.
Now that is just sheer bitterness.
The fact that it broker the servers in California and Florida leads me to suspect it may have broke the record.
Yep. I lost a lot of respect for Aldo there. He's obviously still butt hurt at getting knocked out by Conor.Now that just sheer bitterness.
I believe Floyd-Manny had similar problems. The PPV was also shared across two Networks in the US.
Yeah he's handled that loss horribly. He should move on and focus on getting a rematch with Max.
I tried to make it to Manchester for the Kostya fight, and I'm pretty sure Hatton was the underdog with the bookies at the time. You should try watching some of Hatton's early fights. The mauling approach only really took root from the Kostya fight onwards.
Regardless, no one would argue that Hatton was a technical wizard. But he was effective at what he did. He was also, ironically, hurt by his own fans during the Mayweather fight. They booed the US anthem and Joe Cortez, being an unprofessional asshole, penalised at him at every possible juncture as a result.