Everyone can have a poor game but the one mistake was really bad. Whenever he was close to the ball, the rest of the team shat their pants.
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I don't understand why people can't see the difference between a player that is committing errors due to not being mentally prepared and a player who is settled but still will be bad (young, Lindgard, etc).
I mean, isn't it obvious the guy is not well?
I mean, isn't it obvious the guy is not well?
For those that think he's making these mistakes because he's got trouble settling in, that's not why. Even when settled he was capable of huge howlers. He gave away 2 shocking goals against Besiktas in the Champions League last season. Benfica ended up losing their 3-0 lead to drawing 3-3.
I have zero confidence in this guy, he's not good enough for us. I can almost guarantee that he won't make it here. We are wasting our time. We should put our attention towards Tuanzebe and hope Rojo and Bailly come back soon.
(In this one the goal is after the replay, he completely missed the ball with his head)
I have zero confidence in this guy, he's not good enough for us. I can almost guarantee that he won't make it here. We are wasting our time. We should put our attention towards Tuanzebe and hope Rojo and Bailly come back soon.
(In this one the goal is after the replay, he completely missed the ball with his head)
Well that is encouraging.
I'm not saying he'll go from shit to brilliant. But he may turn into a useful player. It's not farfetched to think that a player can improve over the course of time.
He does seem a bit clumsy regarding handballs...
the video is shit but he kicked the ball against his own hand and the Dutch team got a penalty
De Gea may not have been a coward, but he definitely was not up for a physical battle and he, sure, couldn't handle one. What's this about being liable in the air? Does the one mistake constitute being shit at heading or am I missing something?
That's a little harsh.
Has he ever made a tackle in his United career? I can't remember an instance where he won the ball from someone.
Ofcourse, agreed. But on the other hand we arent a charity, this is Manchester United and not Lindelof United. If we were in the position to do better I think we should. Players like Manolas, Koulibaly, Tah, van Dijk would be so much better young defenders than Lindelof. And thats no hindsight.
But lets hope he quickly improves as long as he's here and turns out to be decent for us.
Physical battles are far harder for a defender than a GK for sure.
Regarding his air liability, not it's not just this one game. It was obvious he was terrible in it since his first pre-season game. Re-watch the goal we conceded against Burton for example and you'll see him doing the same mistake as last game, but Darmian and Periera took all the blame this match.
If we're saying the ball is a bomb in Smalling's leg, it's also a bomb on Lindelof head.
I honestly don't remember him making a single tackle neither.
EDIT: Just had a quick look on Squawka and apparently he's made one tackle. Rough start for the lad but hopefully he improves. I rated him from what I seen of him at Benfica.
Mourinho has said before he doesnt usually specifically pick players. He's a coach who has a criteria for players he wants, others find them and complete the signings. I'm not saying he will never specifically pick a player, I dont know when he has or hasnt. But he himself has laid it out that he says what his club need, but he doesnt pick the player. So I'm seeing comments here wondering why Mourinho picked Lindelof. He probably didnt. He will have said we need a CB and what kind of qualities, experience, etc and others will have come back to him saying Lindelof is available. Maybe he picked Lindelof out of a couple of options? Maybe those other options werent any better choices. Although thats hard to believe given his pricetag. But its very unlikely that Mourinho himself chose Lindelof out of everyone and insisted we sign him. Not impossible, but doesn't align with how he has described the process.
I think he was trained in the Guardiola school of football; he doesn't know what tackles are.
He's in contention with Oxlade-Chamberpot for the prestigious MUTY award. Most Unnecessary Transfer of the Year
Usually when a quality player is struggling to bed in, they'll give you signs every now and again of what is to come once they've found their feet. Having said that I have to to say I haven't seen ANYTHING from Victor to suggest he'll come good. He's second best to every ball, he doesn't read the game particularly well and don't get me started on his tackling. Hope he proves me wrong but I really can't see it.
You can see he had no problems tackling before, although it wasn't his strongest asset. Different type of player to, say, Carvalho. Always thought he was very calm and composed though, the only mistake was against Besiktas last year.
Well tbf to Lindelof he's comfortable on the ball and an excellent passer so maybe he would suit Guardiola.
The amount of naive optimism here is staggering. TFM and Tuanzebe are already much better defenders than Lindelöf, who, at 23, with his price tag, should be amongst the best CBs in PL. But he makes Paddy McNair look like Fabio Cannavaro by being one of the most technically awkward defenders I've seen at this level.
Every single time the ball comes towards him, he looks terrified. He has zero ability to play that position in this league. The same thing already happened with Memphis, blinding people with the sheer "we wouldn't have paid that much for him if he wasn't a great talent".
He's a lot worse with his head than Smalling is with his feet. And that says a lot. Every time he has to defend, something which I already noticed with the Sweden NT, he looks shaky. And his passing is hardly superior to Bailly and Jones, let alone Blind, all of whom are much better defenders.
Every single time the ball comes towards him, he looks terrified. He has zero ability to play that position in this league. The same thing already happened with Memphis, blinding people with the sheer "we wouldn't have paid that much for him if he wasn't a great talent".
He's a lot worse with his head than Smalling is with his feet. And that says a lot. Every time he has to defend, something which I already noticed with the Sweden NT, he looks shaky. And his passing is hardly superior to Bailly and Jones, let alone Blind, all of whom are much better defenders.
I'm not writing him off yet but you are right that the 'he can't do even the basics of being a defender because he is settling in' people are mistaken.
He reminds me of John Stones; when actually asked to defend he's a nightmare but he's pretty good at passing.
I thought he would adept pretty quickly and be just fine (without shining) but now I start to really wonder if it's going to happen.
He is either turned into a worse player than last year or his head isn't really there.
I'll wait a couple of months to completely write him off tho. Come on Vigge.
He is either turned into a worse player than last year or his head isn't really there.
I'll wait a couple of months to completely write him off tho. Come on Vigge.
Are you saying Jose got Victor without watching him play? I'm pretty sure he said he watches Portugese Leauge every matchday. Maybe I understood you wrong, but I think he wanted him.
Whatever happened with "give a player time" ? Whatever happened with "Jose knows his defenders"?
Still believe he will become very good player for us. Just a feeling of mine. Or maybe I'm too old and tend to trust people more, than young people that want everything and they want it now. It does not work in real life. Well, most of the time anyway. Yes I know, he made mistakes, not the first or last player. I'll give him more time, he played, what, 5,6,7 games so far.
One thing I'm sure of, he does not deserve all the fecking hate he gets here. I wish I can read threads about Evra and Vida when they came to United, (probably nowhere near as much hate as for Victor) but too lazy to search.
No im sure hes seen him before, just I doubt he told the club to go get him Lindelof and nobody else for CB. He was probably on a list of names given back to Jose after Jose specified the position he wanted us to buy a player for. I'm sure he was picked over a couple of alternative players who might have been available. But it seems unlikely that he went into a meeting and said "Right, I want Lukaku and Lindelof" and its more likely the process he has suggested before whereby he chooses the position and type of player, rather than specifically choosing Lindelof out of all the players in the world.
In my opinion, he still needs time. You can see the quality is there. Just the physicality and the quickness of the game he needs some time and experience to adjust to.
Can't see any quality there tbh. As a defender he looks utterly hopeless.
You can forgive others for trusting in Mourinho's judgement, rather than the Caf's.
Not sure why many are being so quick to write him off.
Remember how Vidic struggled. Remember how Evra struggled. Remember how Rojo struggled.
Did anyone honestly see any redeeming features in Rojo upon his arrival? Only for him to settle and improve. Hell, now we're all desperate to see him return.
It would appear Bailly taking to the Premier League like a duck to water, has lead to the assumption that all future recruits should be as equally quick to settle.
He's struggling for confidence - compounded by mistakes. Give him time.
Remember how Vidic struggled. Remember how Evra struggled. Remember how Rojo struggled.
Did anyone honestly see any redeeming features in Rojo upon his arrival? Only for him to settle and improve. Hell, now we're all desperate to see him return.
It would appear Bailly taking to the Premier League like a duck to water, has lead to the assumption that all future recruits should be as equally quick to settle.
He's struggling for confidence - compounded by mistakes. Give him time.
That is untrue Mourinho handed Woodward a list of positions that needed filling and players to fill them all ranked from top to bottom. I presume he was one of the names on the list. Mourinho has also stated that he knows everything there's to know about Lindelof and players from the Portuguese league so Mourinho must take the blame unless Lindelof was option 3 and Woodward went with him because he was cheaper than the preferred options. Lindelof even being on the list of preferred options for CB is shocking! How can a defender not be able to header the ball or make a tackle?
Both Evra and Vidic showed considerable ability to defend 1v1, they just were erratic and made mistakes. Lindelof hasn't shown any of that yet.
You'll find a lot of revisionism on here. There will have been undoubtedly people writing off Evra, Vidic et al.
Point being, we're all guilty of drawing conclusions too quickly. Mourinho wanted Lindelof - that it itself should be enough for many on here to reserve judgement. That's not say that Mourinho won't be proven wrong, but rather, his track record suggests Lindelof will, in time, come good.
We're not scouts, we're armchair supporters.
And they would have been wrong. But Mourinho isn't infallible and Lindelof hasn't shown anything like the quality Vidic and Evra showed before they joined United.
I feel horrible for some of the grief I have given some of our defenders in the past .
Lindelof looks like an absolute train wreck. It's not just yesterday either. Imagine if a striker had a proper go at him.
If he turned this around, it would be one of the great United comebacks. That's how low my opinion is of him.
We'll reach the end of the season and people will still be talking about Vidic and Evra here.
David De Gea's poor start was exaggerated by the media. He made mistakes but I remember being annoyed even back then about them blowing it out of proportion.
Another player who had as shocking a start was Bebe. In fact most of the time , that is usually how it ends up.
We won't. Because either Lindelof will have found his feet and his critics will have bid a hasty retreat. Or said critics will be standing proud in the knowledge that they were right about Lindelof all along.
Don't think it's too much to ask for people here to giving Lindelof a season in which to adjust.
Lindelof might be the worst CB I've seen play for a top flight English side ever
He'll get a chance and will play again whatever we want it or not, but he'll have to do really hard to change his critics - and I'm one of them - opinion about him.
My biggest issue is that he wasn't needed even if he was any good. Especially in a summer where we were seemingly having to make financial trade-offs over targets.
On what basis would the first player we go out and buy be a centre half? Good or bad. Just a waste of money, probably our strongest area of the pitch, and we go and spend £40m there when we don't have a fecking left back in the entire squad.
On what basis would the first player we go out and buy be a centre half? Good or bad. Just a waste of money, probably our strongest area of the pitch, and we go and spend £40m there when we don't have a fecking left back in the entire squad.
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