A footnote in the history books, meanwhile generations will talk about the Barcelona teams with Pep and Messiyou're deluding yourself if you think they won't remembered as the first club in history to retain the CL or the first club to have won 3 times in 4 years (if both of those achievements are emulated by then and if not, they'll be remembered even more).
La Liga 2017/18
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Well as much as it bothers you, he was. Clearly too.
Not a footnote if they're the first to do it, your hatred and bias shouldn't turn you dumb. It ain't healthy. Zidane won the CL in his first season as a manager, first manager to retain. Pep hasn't done it and if he does in the future, Zidane will always be mentioned as the first one. It is what it is, just accept it.
Zizou will correctly be remembered as a great player, no one will remember his coaching or these RM teams apart from the footnote. Even Xavi will eventually be remembered as a better coach- You don’t have to accept it, stick around and see what will be remembered
And it's next week!
What have i just read
I don't think so.It's a team too important and very influential,in the federation too.
If they had to fight until the last match I'd bet for some help.
However perhaps they will have to open a bit their philosophy,to accept more players as Real did
Think they would have benefited from not actually being in the EL. They have a new manager who is trying to get some new ideas across, have had a number of injuries. Luckily a couple of the injured players are now back in training, but it would have been better for Ziganda to just get himself settled into the job without EL distractions.
Someone mentioned yesterday that Valverde has got Barca's defence working well and made them solid. That is the difference with Bilbao this season. They seem to drop themselves into a hole and constantly be trying to fight back in games. They have a lot of fight, but need to tighten up on their defending. The Malaga game was a sickener, 3-1 ahead and then ending up 3-3. Valencia they had too much to do, same with Vigo last game.
When he renewed with Barsa they hardly increased the release clause.
All the top players with 300/500m€ and he only went from 180 to 220.
If he left a door open to leave Barsa I find hard to believe that he(His father) didn't think about that,especially with the doubts about the french league.
I know that in France the clauses are not allowed but I guess that the prohibition could be dodged somehow.
How will no one remember the only manager who wins b2b CL in the modern age ? That's just ridiculous.
Can't believe he said that. Well actually I can.
State of this post.
Well,to compete in Europe is always important,especially for San Mamés,(remember the passion with which they lived the tie against United) but the fact that they could avoid a competition to be able to compete better is an example of the problems to continue with the same system.
As FootballIQ just said,imagine if now Real,Betis,Girona,etc start to spend 50/60 in transfers.
Actually Athletic was in this situation, with "la liga de las estrellas",after the TV contract,around 15 years ago ,and they survived decently
Than just a short bench?
I hardly love Madrid, quite the opposite, but anyone who says Zizou and Madrid team who have won back to back CLs won't be remembered should check in the nearest hospital.
Given it's @FCBarca I'm not that surprised.
Given it's @FCBarca I'm not that surprised.
My god, Ronaldo could be choking to death with a chicken bone in his throat and you'd be saying everyone "Don't worry, he's just optimizing his breath to the amount of oxygen in the air, he'll be good soon"
Get some chill
No they won't, they won back to back UCL, and not only that, they won 3 in 4 years and could've pretty well won 4 in a row had Modric been fit 3 years ago.
Everyone is so obsessed around the Messi vs Ronaldo drama and giving them all the silverware from their teams, that somehow they forget you need a great team to win more than two UCL titles in the same generation. Guys like Marcelo, Ramos, Pepe, Modric and Kroos are way underrated to their counterparts of 2008-2011 Pique, Puyol, Alves, Iniesta and Xavi. Their biggest problem is that no one was really interested in selling this Real Madrid era of dominance as a result of team performance and more like a "man vs god" with Ronaldo catching the legacy that Messi had left behind from that era, and surely focusing the debate around MSN vs BBC didn't make them any justice either.
I presume the members would have to vote to allow a change of transfer philosophy. I will admit I am not very good on how Spanish teams are run. I actually like what they do, but if the resources at their disposal diminished that badly it put them in danger, then they might have to change things. I would not like the idea of wholesale outside signings though.
Their womens team is more successful at the minute. They are third in the league behind Barcelona and Atletico Madrid.
Madrid simply have too many players playing below par.
Can't think of any player in form.
Can't think of any player in form.
Probably Benzema will understand that his place is gone if we sign some of the big names.
I am a bit confused about Cris. Things that I read recently:
-He stopped Mbappe Transfer
-He wants to leave because of the tax issues
-He wants a new contract
-he is upset because of Madrid interest in Neymar,a lack of respect to "el bicho"
-he is Neymar's colleague and would be delighted of sharing dressing room.
We need to know what is true and what is not and what he is going to do from march.
It's difficult to guess the future without this
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Bizarre post.
I don't see how that applies at all, I was saying he was good not that he will be good in the future. Look, is he still good enough to perform like Messi week in week out? No. Will he fairly win the Ballon D'Or? Absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt. Saying he's only going to win it because his team won trophies is the ludicrous comment here and now that he's in poor form goalscoring wise there's been a bunch of those comments.My god, Ronaldo could be choking to death with a chicken bone in his throat and you'd be saying everyone "Don't worry, he's just optimizing his breath to the amount of oxygen in the air, he'll be good soon"
Get some chill
I'm just messing with you because lately everytime I see someone criticizing him in the caf, I see you fighting back.
I tried to do the same when it happened to Messi but I had to stop or I'd turn mad here, we all know how things work with trophies, this rivalry and internet forums, as much as you fight back end of the day people are going to still think the same.
Insane finish Kondogbia!
Kondogbia puts Valencia up against Espanyol.
Kondogbia 0-1 
Santi Mina 0-2
Santi Mina 0-2
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Guedes is electric.
They've had a brilliant squad for quite some time, with some natural winners among their ranks, and they surely have a knack for winning CL. In these last 4-5 years they've been one of the European top 3 teams, along Bayern and Barcelona. But I wouldn't say that they were the best or most consistent ones out of the three. Domestic record tells a lot, and for me league is a better indicator of quality and consistency than any cup competition.
Mina. 2-0!
2-0 Valencia FT. And now bring on Barca next week!
I think lately they just have a huge hard on for epicness and big stages that fuels their CL runs, but in league beyond keeping up with Barcelona they might lack the motivation to play vs Girona any given Saturday and feel like they really need to try and win.
Barcelona wins leagues because we're based in a model of football that wants to do things right every game, so since Cruyff took control we've won more leagues than Real just by being regular in our form, and Real usually win the league when Barcelona are at a bad level (14-8 since 1990)
They were also on a similar CL winning streak around the turn of the century. They just seem go on these cup winning runs from time to time.
CL is what made us afterall. It's the biggest trophy. There's no madridista in the world who'd trade our last 5 seasons with barcelona's
True. That's the culture. Even when Pep was here he always said La Liga comes first and is the no1 objective of the season. I believe the same. CL is more special when you win it, but La Liga is the main objective because you have more control over winning it, and you know that if you do your job well enough and consistently enough you'll win it.
League + CL is obviously the most special as it equals to total domination, domestic and european, especially if you're part of a very strong league. It's easier to win the CL while taking it slower in the league, and ending up 3rd or 4th. Basically focusing on only one competition and sort of sacrificing the other. A lot harder to fight on multiple fronts at once, no doubt, since it means giving your best once every 3 days late in the season, when legs are tired and the pressure is through the roof.
That's why the system in the past was more fair and more true to the idea of a 'Champions' league. You didn't get to compete for the CL unless you earned your spot by winning the title.
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Bilbao having a nightmare season, as they are losing at home to Villareal.
Could be even worse as Kepa saved a penalty. You wonder when someone will realise there might be a problem.
Don't want to see them relegated.
They have had problems scoring goals, it has been a problem for a while, but they didn't concede a lot of goals and San Mames was a fortress. Now they are shipping goals all the time. Just think they needed a more established manager. It was taking one hell of a risk. I do not know when Yeray will be back, he is back with the team, but he is a really good CB, Oscar De Marcos, the regular RB should be back soon as he is back in training. Benat is out until mid December after a hernia op and Muniain will not be back until April with a cruciate. I am depressed.
When Guardiola was appointed Barça's manager, there was this fad of most teams appointing their youth teams' coaches to the first team, failing miserably in the process. Seems like Athletic has been caught in the second fad after Zidane's success. They just need a better coach, the talent is there.
The squad look good enough to finish in the top 4. Can't believe they are so down in the table.They have had problems scoring goals, it has been a problem for a while, but they didn't concede a lot of goals and San Mames was a fortress. Now they are shipping goals all the time. Just think they needed a more established manager. It was taking one hell of a risk. I do not know when Yeray will be back, he is back with the team, but he is a really good CB, Oscar De Marcos, the regular RB should be back soon as he is back in training. Benat is out until mid December after a hernia op and Muniain will not be back until April with a cruciate. I am depressed.
Didn't know Ziganda, their former CB, was their manager.